Time to Talk QBs

The N&O is running a nice profile on Pack QB Harrison Beck. Here’s an excerpt:

The Pack will hold its first preseason scrimmage today, and O’Brien said his three quarterbacks — Beck, Daniel Evans and Justin Burke — will get an equal amount of snaps. O’Brien would like to settle on a starter as quickly as possible but also said, “You want to make the right decision, not a fast decision.”

Evans is the returning starter and Burke, who starred at Lexington (Ky.) Catholic High, was recruited by O’Brien’s staff at BC. But it is Beck, who sat out last year as a transfer, who appears to intrigue so many Wolfpack fans.

The sophomore has the big arm. He was a big recruiting target in 2004 at Countryside High in Clearwater, Fla. — rated the No. 3 pro-style quarterback by one recruiting service — and made an early commitment to Nebraska, turning down offers from Florida, Michigan, NCSU and others.

“I can throw a football, obviously,” Beck said. “I can throw it all over the field.”

You’ve got to like that confidence. But Marcus Stone was a confident QB, too.

In a sense, Beck was the forgotten man last year, as fans debated the potential of the highly-touted true freshman Justin Burke and the level-headness and grit of the barely-recruited Daniel Evans. However, my gut tells me that Beck might be the best fit for our offense in 2007. My theory is simple (and by no means foolproof) – Beck’s big arm gives us the best chance to keep teams from stacking 8 or 9 in the box. Even the best backfield in college football (and the Brown/Baker combo has to be in that conversation) has trouble running against a 9-man front – especially behind a somewhat suspect OL. Trestman’s offense called for more short, precision passes (suited more for Evans’ arm) – but it’s an open question whether Evans can keep defenses honest in Bible’s system. However, as the N&O points out:

Beck, like Evans and Burke, is aware that O’Brien isn’t looking for the strongest arm. O’Brien wants his quarterback to make wise decisions, the right throws.

I think Coach O’Brien will wait and see how much Beck’s decision making progresses between now and September. He knows what he has in Daniel Evans. The job is not really Beck’s to lose, but it seems there for the taking. A 7-8 win season requires almost everything to fall the Pack’s way – and probably the “complete package” at QB.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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69 Responses to Time to Talk QBs

  1. SCpackfan 08/09/2007 at 9:48 AM #

    if you go on http://www.thewolfpacker.com and look at the glennon kid’s profile there are a few free videos you can watch, he is going to be good

  2. BJD95 08/09/2007 at 10:13 AM #

    The concussion is also worrisome, in that I have always wondered whether Evans’ frame was really big enough to withstand the sustained pounding of a full season. To me, he is the ideal backup QB, who can relieve for injury or ineffectiveness (or even start a few games) and not really hurt you. A full season will wear him down, and defenses also adjusted once they had more film on him.

    If Evans is the starter, I think we definitely win 5 games (plus or minus one). Beck is more of a wildcard, in that he could win more or lose more. Or to put it more engineer-like, the “standard deviation” of his expected performance is much higher.

    Stone made horrible decisions and reads as a QB. I agree that a big arm is mostly worthless if you do that. I would have to assume that Beck is better than that, but the question is “how much”? None of us really knows, and that’s what I believe the coaching staff is trying to find out.

    My “hope” is that Beck steps up and wins the job. I view Evans as more of a safety valve, who could do a decent job until the torch is passed to Glennon as a redshirt frosh (after Evans graduates).

    I don’t think anyone questioned whether PR had the arm strength for the college level – just for the NFL. Evans’ arm strength is fringy for a D-1 starting QB.

  3. SCpackfan 08/09/2007 at 10:31 AM #

    yeah, i guess that burke has kind of become the forgotten man here I mean his high school numbers were unbelieveable his senior season, like 62 td’s to 7 picks but I know he played at a small catholic school, so I guess the numbers could be skewed.

  4. 94wolfpack 08/09/2007 at 10:51 AM #

    “Beck’s big arm gives us the best chance to keep teams from stacking 8 or 9 in the box.”

    I would agree with that ONLY if he actually poses a deep threat. Marcus Stone could heave it but didn’t really pose a deep threat.

    PR’s strength wasn’t the deep ball. But he made very good decisions and forced the D to be honest. Part of that is play calling. Part of that is consistency from the QB and the O-Line. If you force the safties to double over the top or into a cover two by sending your Rx out then they can’t put 8-9 in the box consistently.

    NCState was something like 100th in the nation on 3rd down conversions last year because they put themselves into spots that made them predictable. Improve that number and keep D’s guessing and they won’t be able to stack 8-9 in the box regardless of who the quarterback is(assuming he is actually capable of playing the position).

    I just read Big Worm and sf59 and agree totally.

  5. BoKnowsNCS71 08/09/2007 at 11:25 AM #

    Not sure if anyone said it but it seems to me we have a lot of West Coast Offense QBs and not a real West Coast Offensive game anymore.

  6. westwolf 08/09/2007 at 11:50 AM #

    Does anyone have some scoop on this topic? Talked to anyone on the team, know one of the coaches, a trainer…groundskeeper? The speculation, theory and analysis is interesting, but it sure would be nice to get some actual info.

  7. BJD95 08/09/2007 at 12:12 PM #

    A stat from the scrimmage people aren’t mentioning – YPA (yards per attempt):

    Evans – 6.1
    Beck – 9.0

    Of course, beck also has the pick, which is certainly relevant. And the sample size is VERY small. The key YPA threshhold is 7.0 – being under that is not good.

  8. packpigskinfan23 08/09/2007 at 12:44 PM #

    talked to many guys on the team… no one knows at all.

  9. RabidWolf 08/09/2007 at 1:30 PM #

    “Not sure if anyone said it but it seems to me we have a lot of West Coast Offense QBs and not a real West Coast Offensive game anymore.”

    The true test of how good a college QB really is (besides game day, of course) is how well he can adjust to changes in the offensive play selections that he will be running. Another challenge is how quickly the QB can adjust to what the opposing defense is giving up, and how to take full advantage of it. (Like how, when and to what play he should check off into) I look forward to future posts and news about the development and “battle” between these 3 really good QB’s. Go WOLFPACK!!

  10. BoKnowsNCS71 08/09/2007 at 1:41 PM #

    And the incoming QBs next year are going to be good. Hopefully red shirted.

  11. RabidWolf 08/09/2007 at 1:44 PM #

    Agree with the redshirt hope. Look how it worked out for (choke) Mack Brown (choke)…sorry, i threw up a little bit..in my mouth….saying those words.

  12. RochesterRedWolf 08/09/2007 at 2:55 PM #

    bjd95, how is YPA calculated? I thought it was total yds/attemps. If that’s the case, then isn’t the number of attempts you take directly related to how many pass-plays the coaching staff is calling?

  13. BJD95 08/09/2007 at 3:18 PM #

    passing yards divided by pass attempts.

    Evans – 61/10 = 6.1
    Beck – 54/6 = 9.0

    Sacks and running plays not part of the calculation.

  14. highstick 08/09/2007 at 3:46 PM #

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/08/08/cfb.bag/index.html?bcnn=yes

    Well, at least one team from Tobacco Road was ranked higher than the other 3!

  15. Pack92 08/09/2007 at 4:25 PM #

    ^Peasants! I love that. Soon there will be a recall of the article saying there was a mis-print. Sort of like the business school rating gaffe by Forbes a few months ago.

  16. bTHEredterror 08/09/2007 at 4:37 PM #

    I can’t wait to tell some Holes that SI called them peasants.

    I just watched College Gameday and they were speculating on who would have the greatest impact among new coaches, they mentioned the obvious except for Stanford and UNX and didn’t mention us at all? As for Stanford, if Bill Walsh, Bless him, couldn’t win there, no one ever will. They pulled the “sleeping giant” card in mentioning UNX and completely dissed us. How long does a giant sleep before we conclude it is dead? They have inferior facilities and a football illiterate (at least ambivalent) fanbase, and yet they get all the talk? We better shut them up this year. I finally have hope that we won’t beat ourselves routinely, but we need to OWN our rivals, Wake included.

  17. highstick 08/09/2007 at 7:12 PM #

    How intimidated could you ever be if your opponent wore “baby blue” uniforms? I’ve got a picture of 3 Tar Heel football players if I can figure out how to link it. One of them looks like he needs “boob reduction surgery” and a little exercise.

  18. Dogbreath 08/09/2007 at 8:12 PM #

    They still beat our asses the last 3 years. Until we right this bullshit losing streak, we have absolutely no reason to laugh at the Tar Heels.

  19. highstick 08/09/2007 at 8:17 PM #

    http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/45/454394.jpg

    Maybe so, Dogbreath, but if this doesn’t make you smile, nothing will!

  20. choppack1 08/09/2007 at 9:08 PM #

    Just for some comparision – here’s Rivers #s..
    2000 – 6.9 YPP
    2001 – 7.1
    2002 – 8.0
    2003 – 9.3

    Also interesting, Russell Wilson was 3 for 6 as well, for 48 Yds – 1 INT. I’m going to be watching this kid w/ interest this year…I realize that there’s virtually no chance he sees the field, but it’s quite possible he’s possesses the best combo of arm strength, intelligence, poise and accuracy. I was impressed by his #s – the fact is, if you only look at stats, he’s right there w/ everyone but Evans.

  21. Dogbreath 08/09/2007 at 10:38 PM #

    They have looked like that the past three years – pathetic, and still have beaten our ass. Its not acceptable, and we have no room to talk until we get things corrected.

  22. E-RO 08/10/2007 at 12:43 AM #

    Maybe the INTs are because we somehow ended up with a completely studly pass defense and our QBs aren’t that bad…

    Blind Optimism will get me through this season.

  23. kool k 08/10/2007 at 6:08 AM #

    22-31 vs UNC since 1954, 0 for the last 3 in excruciating fashion…It would be very nice if O’Brien could get on a nice run like Sheridan had against them.
    I want to see the Daniel Evans that came in at the end of the Southern Miss game last year. The BC and FSU wins were great, don’t get me wrong, but he just looked like a QB in there against the Golden Eagles. I like the kid’s moxie.

  24. BJD95 08/10/2007 at 7:12 AM #

    Good #s, chop. I remember Rivers playing exceptionally well for a true freshman, so it doesn’t surprise me that he was right around the 7.0 mark. I remember that Rivers 2.0 wasn’t that much better than 1.0, and YPA backs that up. He made a quantum leap forward his junior year, and another his senior year.

    A 9.3 YPA over a full season is incredible. You are talking about better #s than Peyton Manning puts up at Indy. Absolutely amazing we went 7-5(4-4) with QB #s like that.

  25. noah 08/10/2007 at 9:07 AM #

    “As for Stanford, if Bill Walsh, Bless him, couldn’t win there, no one ever will.”

    Umm…Bill Walsh DID win there.

    He went 9-3 and 8-4 in 1977 and 1978 and then went 10-3 in 1992 (ended up as Pac-10 co-champs). Dennis Green and Tyrone Willingham also had success at Stanford.

    To get a scholarship to Stanford, you actually have to GET INTO Stanford. They aren’t as lenient as Dook. But California is a talent-rich state and the Pac-10 sucks. It’s one great team (USC), one good team (Cal) and a bunch of mediocre-to-bad teams.

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