A View from the Cheap Seats

Tom O’Brien may be an Ohio native who’s spent the past decade in Boston, but he’s got a certain nature about him that seems distinctly southern.

In a way not entirely different than Sidney Lowe, O’Brien has unified a fan base that hasn’t been completely united across the board in twenty years, a refreshing change of tempo around here. With a coaching philosophy that’s considered simple and an approach that seems deliberate, he still shows an apparent panache for fitting in.

One of the first things he did upon his arrival in Raleigh was contact former players for a reunion – a town hall meeting of sorts. Whereas Lowe already knew what it meant to be a State fan and what we would expect of him, O’Brien was keen enough to bring in the very best representatives of State that could explain exactly that to him: winners like Bill Cowher and Torry Holt.

A legacy of George Welsh, who is second only to Bobby Bowden in all-time ACC victories with 80, O’Brien is also a staple of winning consistency. Two years after taking over a Boston College program mired in scandal, he led the Eagles to eight consecutive winning seasons; he became a perennial eight-game winner and won nine games four of his final five years in Chestnut Hill. To put that into perspective, we’ve had only four nine-win seasons in the past twenty years (two of those were under Sheridan in ’91 and ’92).

It’s a consistency that, as far as I can tell, is born out of pragmatism. We’ve been told by our athletic administration for years that we can only win if we have $100 million facilities; yet O’Brien has done nothing but win despite pitiful resources, outdated facilities, and an apathetic fan base much too occupied with winning Super Bowls and beating the Yankees.

Now he has arguably the nation’s finest college football facilities; add to that a large, rabid, loyal fan base (with open checkbooks, let’s not forget), and it seems nothing less than a winning combination.

Perhaps the most impressive aspect of his hiring is the seemingly appropriate quiet buzz it has generated. While it’s garnered nowhere near the circus-like attention that Nick Saban has received, the national media has seemed largely impressed by O’Brien’s move South. O’Brien may be the antithesis to Saban’s flashy style (Saban’s won a title so he’s earned it) but, except for the buzz being generated, it’s no stretch to say that as of right now, this season, Alabama is no further ahead as a program than we are.

After all, buzz doesn’t win championships – a painful lesson we’ve all no doubt learned – and after the past seven years, it’s nice to finally not have the circus in town each fall. For the first time in as long as I can remember, all State fans seem to be very excited and intensely hopeful about the future; it’s an odd feeling, I know.

I like the guy; I think the South suits him quite well. My only question is: Coach, just how bad are we going to beat Carolina?

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47 Responses to A View from the Cheap Seats

  1. lush 08/10/2007 at 11:06 AM #

    please lord, i hope it is by 5 touchdowns!!!! but il settle for 1 as long as we win.

  2. Trout 08/10/2007 at 11:06 AM #

    Very nice column. I do think Wolfpackers were all united after season 1 of the Amato regime, and stayed united until season 4 of the Amato regime, when we greatly underachieved in PR’s last year.

    LRM note: Trout, I did a poor job of making my point here. I meant unified in both basketball and football. I do agree with you about Amato, though.

  3. BJD95 08/10/2007 at 11:19 AM #

    Rember that time Dick Sheridan’s charges hung something like 42 or 49 on the Holes by halftime? Like that, but with no mercy in the last 30 minutes.

  4. RickJ 08/10/2007 at 11:20 AM #

    Dick Sheridan is the only great football or basketball coach we’ve had that was born in the South.

    Believe it or not, there has actually been an early betting line set on the State – UNC-Chapel Hill football game on November 10th. We are, to me, an astonishing 9 point favorite to win.

  5. highstick 08/10/2007 at 11:35 AM #

    Where was Sidney born? DC???? Maybe it’s too early to call him “great”, but I think he will be there before it’s all said and done!

    I know some of you still won’t claim DC as being in the South, but it is below the Mason Dixon line.

    For what it’s worth, I’d rather go in as a 20 point underdog and win by 20 or more! I guess this reinforces why Carolina’s program is perceived to be in the “peasant category”.

  6. Pack92 08/10/2007 at 11:37 AM #

    I remember those days! It seems like for most of my 5 fall semesters the games with unx weren’t really close. I do remember one 56? yard field goal that we won with in chapel hole but, hey, everybody has a bad day occasionally and we did win.

    TOB reminds me so much of Sheridan it’s scary. Tom has better one-liners than Dick Sheridan did but they both have that ability to be smiling and light hearted (I know that’s a stretch) and go right to ice cold steel and very serious.

  7. PAPacker 08/10/2007 at 12:06 PM #

    Trust me, I live in PA, DC is in the South. I think O’Brien will end up being a Tom Osborne type who loads the cupboard, has a very solid staff and gets everything out of his players and as a result consistently wins.

  8. beowolf 08/10/2007 at 12:36 PM #

    IIRC, Sheridan’s boys dropped 27 on UNC by halftime, en route to a 48-3 rout, with a second half of essentially handing the ball out. I think three Wolfpack QBs wound up playing in that game, and we ended up taking a knee around the five yard line at the end of the game.

  9. BJD95 08/10/2007 at 12:53 PM #

    ^ Now that I’ve thought more, I believe we kicked a long FG right before half to get up to 41 or 45, and turned on cruise control for the entire 2nd half.

  10. redfred2 08/10/2007 at 1:12 PM #

    It’s hard to fathom, but we do actually have legitimate reasons to be optimistic about NC State athletics NOW.

  11. James 08/10/2007 at 1:22 PM #

    The turning point in Amato’s career here was a pair of 3rd down plays against Georgia Tech in 2002. If memory serves, we were leading Tech in the third quarter and had just stopped them deep in their own territory. Our ball with the lead, in great field position, right? No. Tech gets a second chance on 3rd down because of a delay of game penalty. They complete convert on third and long, our defense folds, and Tech marches down the field to score. We go on to lose.

    Going into that game we were 9-0, ranked in the top 10, riding high after a Thursday night thrashing of Clemson in Death Valley. After that loss, we went on to lose to UVA and Maryland before righting the ship against FSU. The Gator Bowl win against Notre Dame helped mask the bad taste of the three game swoon, but oh what could have been if we had taken care of business.

    Prior to that loss to Georgia Tech, Amato’s record at State was 24-9. After that, he went 25-28.

  12. CharlotteWolf 08/10/2007 at 1:30 PM #

    Not to hijack the thread but Independence’s TE Mario Carter (NCSU signee) got hurt this morning in practice. They are saying it’s his knee and could be out for the season. Check charlotte.com.

  13. Par Shooter 08/10/2007 at 1:46 PM #

    I watched the video link of Carter and it is tough stuff. It looked like they had his leg in a splint, which I would not normally think of for a torn ACL. Best wishes to Mario for a speedy recovery and we look forward to seeing him in Red/White. Really hate it for the kid.

  14. StewMan07 08/10/2007 at 2:08 PM #

    I think the 9-0 start was our chance to get over the hump under Amato. We should have beaten Ga Tech, to make 10-0. When we lost that game it took the team and Amato two more games to right the ship and the teams attitude and mindset. From then on the program never seemed to recover, even though we went on to beat FSU and ND. After those seniors graduated, the team seemed to lose the mindset of how to win, and the coaching didn’t help.

  15. packgrad93 08/10/2007 at 3:27 PM #

    “Not to hijack the thread but Independence’s TE Mario Carter (NCSU signee) got hurt this morning in practice. ”

    displaced knee cap, no ligament damage.

  16. CharlotteWolf 08/10/2007 at 3:29 PM #

    Yup, they just updated the article. Not nearly as bad as they orignally thought….good news.

  17. roandaddy 08/10/2007 at 3:46 PM #

    For what its worth… as a fan of a non-ACC school, but living in Raleigh.. I do cheer the Wolfpack. That said…
    The difference between CTC and TOB is breath taking. As an outsider I was sad to see CTC go.. not b/c he was a good coach.. but b/c he was so darn entertaining with his off the wall play calling, recruiting names rather than needs, and of course his media persona. To give CTC credit.. he could win a big game like FSU, it was just Wake or UNC that gave him trouble.
    I see TOB as the completely opposite.. he will make NC State legit! He will not have Herbstreet laughing at your team during play calling. He is bringing in names, but at positions of need. Finally.. you won’t have the revolving asst. coach door.
    Just want to say that the rest of the world will be watching and you should be excited.
    On a final note.. in yet another classic “Chuck-ism”, I see Hannah didn’t make it into school.. and Schaffer is now looking to play WR.

  18. ncsu_kappa 08/10/2007 at 4:38 PM #

    Guys, you will probably be tired of hearing me say defend the other 20 (19 if TA was in the game) players on O and D but with the number 1 defense in the country and one the worst quarterback production in the country and you can’t connect on slants or outs, or find an open man. I don’t put the rest of the team to the fire on acct of QB play. There are only so many missed open reads that I will blame on the coach. Only so many interceptions (hail marys, 4th down and 20’s, etc) coaching or situation. Our QB was terrible. With that said, Daniel Evans was in over his head and plaid some gutsy games and proved our receivers could take advantage of man defenses. Stone gutsy team player with hands and solid offensive moves for a TE. But neither could read a zone coverage to save a third down conversion nonetheless their lives. Remember when we had bobby washington, darrel blackman, TB, AB and Reggie Davis as backs. We had so much depth there (when we had the #1 defense in the country) that Bobby washington transferrred, DB went to reciever, and Reggie Davis went to LB. TJ Washinton and Anthony Hill at TE. and our O-line was descent if not good. Extremely pitiful production from Jay Davis, Stone and Evans is what couldn’t win us games. Remember the quote from Manny about his thoughts on the defense…”We all we got!”

    I state all of this to state that its hard to say that our team didn’t know how to win. 5 ints make it kind of hard. We gave up less than 140 yards off offense to so many teams Davis/Stone’s first year at the helm. Davis and Stone were highly regarded out of high school why they didn’t pan is what is debatable. IMHO, Our team’s desire to win, isn’t really up for debate

  19. RabidWolf 08/10/2007 at 5:31 PM #

    IMHO, and hindsight is 20/20, IF CTC had redshirted PR his soph. year, and played Hannum (a change in the offenseive strategies) we would have had PR AND the #1 rated D in the nation. Like I said, hindsight.

    Davis and Stone had enormous pressure and HUGE cleats to fill. The expectations alone were enough to make even the #1 QB in the nation whither away. Combine that with the loss of Chow, the revolving door of assistant coaches, and the clear separation of talent from PR to BOTH of his successors, and there you have it. An easy one-step formula for failure and disaster.

    I STILL believe that Stone is the embodiment of TEAM. Almost anybody else would have transferred out to play QB elsewhere (and I believe he could have been a star in a different system), but not MS!! He accepted that he was not going to play QB, and embraced a new position. Mark my words–he will be successful this season at TE, especially with the loss of AntHill. He has heart, will, and a genuine desire to win–that can be infectious to the rest of the team.

    Oh yeah, remember he was voted to be a captain. THAT says something about what his team mates think of him.

  20. beowolf 08/10/2007 at 5:35 PM #

    BJD, you’re right about the FG at the end of the half. The game was still not out of reach for the heels till the last minute (17-3 I think); we scored and got an INT, then kicked a 52-yard FG (school record at the time IIRC) to go in at the half.

    We were not in the 40s at half. I think we had 27 points.

    It sure felt like we were on cruise control after the half; strange that we scored more on “Sheridan cruise control” in a half than Amato’s teams have in most games the post-Rivers years.

  21. Cosmo96 08/10/2007 at 7:43 PM #

    _”The turning point in Amato’s career here was a pair of 3rd down plays against Georgia Tech in 2002. If memory serves, we were leading Tech in the third quarter and had just stopped them deep in their own territory. Our ball with the lead, in great field position, right? No. Tech gets a second chance on 3rd down because of a delay of game penalty. They complete convert on third and long, our defense folds, and Tech marches down the field to score. We go on to lose.

    Going into that game we were 9-0, ranked in the top 10, riding high after a Thursday night thrashing of Clemson in Death Valley. After that loss, we went on to lose to UVA and Maryland before righting the ship against FSU. The Gator Bowl win against Notre Dame helped mask the bad taste of the three game swoon, but oh what could have been if we had taken care of business.

    Prior to that loss to Georgia Tech, Amato’s record at State was 24-9. After that, he went 25-28.”_

    Agree 100%. I wrote a similar post on PackPride a few weeks ago about how that one delay penalty–against Tech, no less–was the beginning of a long chain of events that eventually led to Amato beng fired.

  22. choppack1 08/10/2007 at 9:51 PM #

    ncsu_kappa – Do you think it’s an odd coincidence that 3 qbs in a row would have such bad #s. Do you think it’s an odd coincidence that 3 guys who had been recruited by said staff, redshirted by said staff and molded by said staff struggled. Do you think it’s odd that these kids were either highly recruited – like Stone and Jay Davis – or put up fantastic #s – like Evans – would come to State and struggle? Do you think it’s odd that all 3 would stink?

    Do you think it’s odd – that the previous coaching staff – the one responsible for recruiting and obtaining a commitment from Rivers, taking a very lightly recruited athlete from NC – w/ none of the offers from the person above – managed to find QBs who looked like they had a clue?

    Do you think it’s odd – that the one QB they had that didn’t redshirt and have a time to get settled in the non-Chow system, was the only effective QB they had?

    I could buy your arguments if this happened in the first 2 – or even 3 years. However, it didn’t – in years 5, 6 and 7 of that staff – our QBs just got worse and worse.

    I guess you think it’s just a very bizarre coincidence.

  23. choppack1 08/10/2007 at 10:10 PM #

    Yep – I agree that GaTech game and that fluke play was huge.

    I also point to the game at FSU Philip’s senior year.

    We entered that game 4-2 – playing FSU and UMd – both of whom had 1 loss – to finish the season. We win these games, we win tie for the title – but win the ACC by virtue of the head to head wins vs. our opponents.

    We dominate FSU – late in the first half w/ us firmly in control – TA fumbles – leading to FSU points and lost momentum. However, Rivers couldn’t be stopped that Saturday – and he leads us back to a tie. Our d holds FSU and we get the ball back late in the 4th quarter – setting the stage perfectly for a fairy tale ending.

    Rivers throws a strike to Brian Clark – and it looks like we’ll have the ball close to midfield w/ plenty of time..but, Clark fumbles and FSU recovers. Somehow our team summons up the courage to block FSU’s fG attempt – but we lose in OT.

    I’ll always think of that game as the perfect example of Amato’s coaching tenure. The team played w/ tremendous heart and guts. The team even had for the most part – a good game plan. However, the ultimately a few mistakes derailed what could have been the most important win in NC State’s history. Everything was there for the taking and in place – the good breaks, the talent and the effort – just not the execution…That was the Amato era in a nutshell.

  24. ncsu_kappa 08/10/2007 at 10:24 PM #

    The pressure is one thing. Maybe Jay Davis could use that argument. Stone and the missed reads seems almost impossible to blame on coaching. Daniel Evans, while I love these guys work ethic and guts and I’m not being phesecious by saying that they are great people. Just QB’s turns out that they weren’t. I think blaming the coaches is similar blaming the baltimore coaches for why Kyle Boller didn’t work out. they gave him everything, he has just proven not to be an NFL caliber QB. I’m sticking with its a very bizarre coincidence that three QB’s could perform this badly under the D-I lights. Especially when surrounded by potential all conference studs if they could just put the ball in their hands.

    I don’t like bashing state people other than T.A. because he thought he was still the best thing going even with all the injuries and the turnovers. I hate talking bad about our QB’s but I think we can blame our coaches for recruiting ultimately but its not like receivers weren’t getting open and the line didn’t give them time to throw, and we didn’t have good running backs. They just would not hit wide open people. I mean horrible passes. Its hard to put those horrible over or underthrows or repeatedly telegraphing a pass on an out on the coaches. I guess I’ll settle for poor player evaluation but I think the player has some accountability on personal development as well. Last argument, the defense these guys faced in practice was probably better than most they faced on the field yet they still couldn’t become game ready. Its astounding to me.

  25. john of sparta 08/10/2007 at 11:33 PM #

    because this, as it usually does, turned into a State vs. Carolina post…..
    Heels lose Big to Cocks….not Pack. if the “line” is Pack by 9, give me
    Heels.

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