VPI Tragedy Entry (6:23pm Update)

6:23pm (the reference frame blog) – Supposed student account with SPECULATION of the gunman’s identity.

6:15 pm (AP) — List of deadliest campus shootings.

5:30pm (SFN) — Press conference just ended in Blacksburg. There was a student reporter from “15 minutes down the road” that you could identify as an amateur a mile way. The kid should not be allowed back to the 7:30pm briefing; he was horrible and embarassed himself beyond reproach.

5:20pm (BBC) — Eyewitness emails.

5:20 pm (Michelle Malkin) — You can also see an eyewitness email here. It is pretty amazing. The author calls the response from authorities “exemplary”.

5:15pm (ABC) — ABC News is running a fascinatingly perverted poll asking if the shooting is grounds for more gun control? I don’t understand this at all. Guns are already banned at Virginia Tech. They are ‘illegal’ in Norris Hall (where the murders occured). How is the solution to defend yourself against a deranged murderer who doesn’t care about ANY laws to tighten restrictions to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? (For the record, I have never owned a gun.)

^ This was pretty easy to call. Many pundits were predicting it almost immediately. The following comments were interesting.

As the initial shock wears off you can bet that the anti-Second Amendment people wall be coming out of the woodwork. By the time the evening network newscasts hit we will have no shortage of spokesmen for various anti-gun groups stepping forth to issue their tired call for an end to the private ownership of handguns.

…earlier this year the Virginia General Assembly failed to act on House Bill 1572. This bill would have allowed college students and employees to carry handguns on campus — with appropriate permits, of course. It died in subcommittee. Larry Hincker, a spokesman for Virginia Tech, the site of today’s carnage, said “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

How’s today for safety?

If it had been legal for students, employees or faculty members with permits to carry guns on the campus, is it at all possible that there might be some students alive today who didn’t make it through the carnage? Do you think the actions of the Virginia General Assembly stopped the gunman from getting his guns and carrying them to the campus?

This is undoubtedly the worst school shooting, high school, college or otherwise, in the history of our country. There are some facts, however, about some of these school shootings of which you probably are not aware. Do you know, for instance, that at least three shootings in high schools were stopped by civilians with guns? Civilians, not law enforcement. In one case a civilian was traveling past a school when he saw children running from the building. One told him that there was a student inside shooting people. The civilian pulled his gun, ran in side, and confronted the student. The student put down the gun and surrendered. In another case a high school vice-principal heard that there was a student in the hallways with a gun. He sprinted a half-mile to his car. He had a gun in his car so he had to park off campus. He then sprinted back with the gun to confront the student. Lives saved.

The point here is that you are never ever going to get the guns out of the hands of those who want to use them for carnage. Never. Gun control programs will only succeed in getting the guns out of the hands of people who want them and need them for self-defense. Never, in the history of America’s gun control movement, has anyone set forth a viable program to get the guns out of the hands of those who would use them to commit crimes. Similarly, the gun control movement will never give any fair coverage at all to the people who use guns to save their own lives, or the lives of others.

Perhaps it is prudent to recall some history related to today’s situation.

Late Afternoon (ABC) — 33 people confirmed dead. ABC News has some of “the first pictures” from the tragedy available here.

1:20 pm (ABC) — At 1:20pm ABCNews reported at least 32 fatalities with the number expected to rise.

Police at Virginia Tech say that the shootings happened at a dormitory and a classroom on opposite sides of the university campus in Blacksburg, Va.

Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said that one person was killed in the first shooting, just after 7 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a large dormitory. Flinchum said that at least 20 more people were killed in a later shooting at Norris Hall, an academic building.

(CNN) — The Virginia Tech police chief said at least 20 people were killed in twin shootings on the Blacksburg campus Monday morning. “Some victims were shot in a classroom,” Chief Wendell Flinchum said, adding that the gunman was dead.

(SFN) — Our prayers are with any and everyone with any connection to Blacksburg and VPI.

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111 Responses to VPI Tragedy Entry (6:23pm Update)

  1. redfred2 04/18/2007 at 4:28 PM #

    bran, that is exactly what I was eluding to earlier, where you referred the “lifestyle” in your post. It goes without saying that the parents who aren’t around, can’t and don’t even try to teach teach their young children anything of real value in any aspect of life anyway, buy them a copy of “Carjack 2010” to play unattended all day long, are also the same growing group of adults who are avidly seeking guns for no good reasons nowadays. The numbers are growing because it’s hip, and cool, to have piece just lying around on a bed stand or coffee table somewhere. You can’t fight with fists anymore, and maybe get your ass throttled in a fair fight, you gotta own a piece to be a man nowdays. Larger populations of low life, careless people, with likewise attitudes about their children and everything else, will always equal a higher rate of mortality.

    I only own shotguns from back when I use to quail and dove hunt, and an antique .22 caliber rifle that I’ve never fired, so I am not at all a gun nut. I guess basically my argument with people who jump all over gun control and act as if it’s the answer to all that plagues us, is that if it’s OK to sit back and watch as morals decay, every law is permitted to be skirted if someone can figure a clever enough way, and with the real criminals going unpunished already, then what the hell is going directly after the end result, without fixing the other problems that contributed, really going to accomplish?

  2. BillyTheKid 04/18/2007 at 4:46 PM #

    branjawn, what do you know, the NRA guy and the Deadhead do not agree:>). It’s cool!! Since you like to look things up, here is one for you. If what happen at VT had happen in Japan and everyone had been in the same family, wouldn’t it have been listed as 33 suicides? Talk about playing with numbers. Hey, it’s all cool, we all go to NC State.

  3. redfred2 04/18/2007 at 5:16 PM #

    BillyTheKid

    It’s funny to me, I’ve lived all over NC, yet I haven’t ever personally known anyone who has accidently shot another human being. I did hear about a drunken police officer that I met once, shooting a “friend” in his apartment years later, but that’s it.

    I would bet that almost every single home has a gun in it, for hunting, in this area. Come to think of it though, I haven’t seen any of my neighbors anywhere all day, maybe I’d better go check to make sure they’re all safe.

    I checked, they’re all OK. You had me worried for minute there though.

  4. BillyTheKid 04/18/2007 at 5:31 PM #

    Fred, Fred, Fred after reading your post here for over a year I was starting to respect you and then you had to throw it all away. I’ve lived in NC for all of my 37 years(all but that one year on the moon) and I do not have a gun in my home. You know what else, I live in Durham, that’s right, with no gun!! Tell me I’m not the baddest Motha you’ve ever talked to.

  5. branjawn 04/18/2007 at 6:05 PM #

    I think we need to see the common goal, keep guns out of criminals hands. I don’t agree with ‘everyone’ should be able to buy a gun, but I also don’t agree with ‘no one’ should be able to buy a gun either. I would even be ok with no assault rifles, no automatic weapons, no clips larger than 8. Which, in those statements would prob not make me in line with the NRA. I really don’t know much about the NRA, I do know a few Grateful Dead songs though. Yes, we all go to NC State.

  6. redfred2 04/18/2007 at 6:35 PM #

    “Fred, Fred, Fred after reading your post here for over a year I was starting to respect you…”

    Big mistake on your part there BTK. I would have respected you, if you hadn’t said you respected me first. I really lost it then.

    Seriously though, I may be wrong, and I do not know diddly about the NRA either, but I think they’re well aware that even if some stuff they stand for now sounds over the top, they know that if they give up on any little thing without fighting tooth and nail, then the gates will burst wide open. I pretty much have to agree on that also. There will be no common sense involved, no middle ground, and it would go so far in the other direction that only an outside attack on our own soil, or a corrupted government, would convince a few people that maybe they were wrong in their thinking. Just as those folks who want to ban every one of them would be the first to tell you, “Guns aren’t the answer.” So, is also true in this case, any every other.

  7. redfred2 04/18/2007 at 6:48 PM #

    I’m getting just a little TOOOO deep for anyone’s good today boys.

  8. redfred2 04/18/2007 at 6:55 PM #

    BTK,

    Durham huh? Never lived there. Closest was Winston-Salem. But anyway, about Durham, I hear nothing but steers and…

    🙂

  9. redfred2 04/18/2007 at 7:00 PM #

    Sorry SFN, wrong thread, and a bad time to get goofy, my apologies.

  10. BillyTheKid 04/18/2007 at 7:13 PM #

    Winston-Salem?? Soooo…….. you didn’t go to NC State? That makes me feel a lot better;>)

  11. redfred2 04/18/2007 at 7:41 PM #

    I’m sure it does. But no, I did not, nor Wake either. Not smart enough for either. My Dad went on a track scholarship and was also on the swim team, and two of his brothers, my uncles of course, were also NCSU alums. So I grew up loving it just the same though.

    Sorry about the last comment, but I knew the Bulls played baseball there, so you know that was really all I was referring to.

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