SFN: Hansbrough vs Henderson

This topic was stealing center stage…so, we wanted to extricate it from the State-Duke entry that should be focused on…well…State and Duke!

With 14 seconds to go in today’s Duke/Carolina game – and with the game firmly in the hands of the Tarheels who had a 12 point lead – Duke’s Gerald Henderson connected with a forearm across the bridge of Tyler Hansbrough’s nose on a put-back attempt after a rebound of missed Carolina free throw.

The N&O continues:

The contact was after the ball left Hansbrough’s hands and Henderson was ejected. Hansbrough exited the court with blood pouring from his face and fuming at the intensity and timing of the foul.

The game referees released a statement after the game explaining the call.

“By rule, this is a flagrant foul for combative and confrontational action. It is ruled a fight. By rule, it is an automatic ejection. By NCAA rule, he must sit out the next game.”

Hansbrough rebounded a Bobby Frasor missed free throw with 14 seconds left and instead of kicking the ball out to let the clock expire he was playing tough and trying to physically position himself for more points – preferably on a dunk in the face of the Blue Devils. What was Duke supposed to do? Just allow Tyler Hansbrough to go up for a posterizing dunk on a play that never needed to happen in the first place (why was Hansbrough on the court up 12 with 14 seconds to go)?

Absolutely not. Duke should be allowed to play just as hard as Hansbrough.

People who have never played basketball/sports don’t understand how quick things happen in real time. From the comfort of your couch and the endless slow motion replays, you can’t help but get the impression that these athletes can control things that are happening at phenomenally quick speeds. This is not reality.

I just watched some Charlotte news footage that was taken from behind the basket in real time. Folks, this happened SO FAST that NOBODY could have stopped their swipe at full speed in mid-air. It just doesn’t work that way. This ain’t The Matrix. People can’t contort their movements like that by stopping time no matter how spoiled your high definition viewing in slow motion makes you.

If you watch the replay, Henderson’s swat would have been very close to where Hansbrough would have had the ball if the ball hadn’t been blocked/swiped by another Duke player before it got to Henderson. But, the block of the ball from behind changed the whole play and the positioning of Hansbrough.

By then it was far was too late for Henderson. He was committed to his anticipation and was swinging hard and trying to make a block on a big guy trying to dunk. When the ball was deflected and was no longer at the projected spot, Henderson’s follow through came right into Hansbrough’s face. Had the ball not been knocked out of Hansbrough’s hands .19 of a second before Henderson tried to dunk then all would have been fine. The worst thing that Gerald Henderson did was forget his black trench coat and Keanu Reaves super powers.

It was unfortunate. But, it was also uncontrollable at that speed and in that situation.

No. Wait. I take that back. It was completely controllable. All Hansbrough had to do was kick the ball out to a guard to hold for 14 seconds instead of trying to get some nasty slam designed to rub salt in Duke’s wounds. Or, all Roy Williams had to do was to not have his starters in the game up 12 with 14 seconds. That would have controlled the situation.

But…of course…Hansbrough has the unalienable right to play hard and the Duke players aren’t given that same right? Why is that Tyler Hansbrough has the innate right to be intense and playing extremely hard at the end of the game but nobody else is allowed to do the same thing?

The play was hard; I personally think that it was meant to be hard; I definitely do not believe that it was meant to be intentional; The problem lies in the interpretation of ‘flagrant’

“By rule, this is a flagrant foul for combative and confrontational action”. OK. I buy that. If that is the rule for “flagrant” then I buy it. The problem therefore is that we have all seen dozens of fouls this season that constitute “combative and confrontational action”.

Ironically, it is the very Tyler Hansbrough who is involved in this situation that literally took a swipe/swing at the head of Brandon Costner in the Tarheels visit to Raleigh earlier in the year. Hansbrough barely missed conncecting with Costner, but did that somehow diminish the “combative and confrontational action” of taking a blatant swing at an opposing player in behavior that IN NO WAY was related to the play of the ball?

In the end, I think that I generally agree with these comments made by ESPN’s Pat Forde in this entry.

After viewing the replay several times, I agree that the blow to the face did not appear to be intentional. Henderson was going to block Hansbrough’s shot, then Hansbrough’s arm was pulled down and the ball flew out and Henderson’s forearm smashed Psycho T’s face. This was not a premeditated knockout.

However, Henderson appeared to be going in with the intent to deliver an enthusiastically hard foul. There is a place in the game for hard fouls, for forcefully preventing easy baskets, for occasionally planting an opponent on his rear end.

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114 Responses to SFN: Hansbrough vs Henderson

  1. TNCSU 03/05/2007 at 12:08 PM #

    Good post, Packof81. I’ve watched it several times – big screen and all (from my couch) through the beauty of DVR, and the officials called it right — it was a deliberate and “combative” foul. As I said earlier, if he were to do the same to Big Ben or Brandon, we’d be calling for more than a one game suspension.

  2. Mr O 03/05/2007 at 12:08 PM #

    Here is an exact breakdown of the last few minutes that was posted by someone who I think is a Duke fan on a Duke website:

    1:37 UNC 75 Duke 64

    Duke subs IN Paulus and McRoberts after a made free throw by Terry. Terry makes the second, 77-64. Henderson, Scheyer, Nelson, Paulus and McRoberts are on the floor. Duke goes down, shoots a three, misses, and Terry is immediately fouled again.

    1:27 Terry makes both free throws. 79-64. McRoberts is fouled on a wide open dunk by Lawson. He makes the second. 79-65.

    1:20 Duke then goes into a full court press. UNC gets it over halfcourt and starts to spread the floor, but Scheyer commits a foul to stop the clock.

    1:11 UNC makes both free throws. UNC subs in Miller for Wright. They have in Ginyard, Miller, Frasor, Terry and Hansbrough, 2 starters vs. Henderson, Scheyer, Paulus, Nelson and McRoberts, 4/5 starters. 81-65

    1:07 Nelson is called for a walk. UNC takes the ball out and Duke full court presses again. Duke steals the ball, hits a three and calls timeout with 49.7 seconds left. 81-68.

    49.7 seconds- Out of the timeout, Duke presses full court again with Henderson, Scheyer, Paulus, Nelson and McRoberts. UNC breaks it and gets a wide open dunk from Ginyard. 83-68, 46.7 seconds left

    43 seconds – Nelson is fouled, makes first FT. Terry and Miller are subbed out because they are seniors. Nelson makes 2nd FT. At this point in the game, UNC has in 2 starters, Ellington and Hansbrough, Duke has in the same group of 4/5 starters (I believe McClure started, but he wasn’t on the floor at all in the last minute and a half). 83-70

    27.9 seconds – Paulus makes an uncontested layup. 83-72. Duke full court presses again with Henderson, Scheyer, Paulus, Nelson and McRoberts. UNC breaks it and Frasor pulls it out to run the clock, but again, he is fouled by Paulus with 18.7 seconds left. Paulus fouls out. Frasor hits the first FT, Dewey Burke is subbed in for Ginyard because he is a senior. Frasor misses the second, Hansbrough gets the rebound, makes no attempt to pass or shoot, and his jersey is grabbed by McRoberts. McRoberts fouls out with 17.5 seconds left. 84-72.

    At this point in the game, Duke has in Pocious, Henderson, Johnson, Scheyer and Nelson, 3 starters. UNC has in Burke, Frasor, Ellington, Hansbrough and Green, 2 starters. Hansbrough is at the line and Copeland is at the scorers table to check in. Hansbrough misses the first FT and the second FT, grabs the rebound, and is fouled on a shot attempt.

  3. Mr O 03/05/2007 at 12:16 PM #

    OK, so Hansbrough rebounded his own free throw when he was fouled by Gerald Henderson?

    It wasn’t Bobby Frasor’s FT on that particular play. In the entry above, it was suggested that all of this happened on Bobby Frasors FT attempt.

    18.7 seconds left: Frasor at the line, Roy subs in Dewey Burke for Marcuse Ginyard only because Ginyard is a senior. Doesn’t take Hansbrough out so Ginyard will get his sr. ovation.

    17.5 seconds left – Hansbrough rebounds Ginyard’s missed FT, makes no attempt to pass or shoot, and is fouled by McRoberts.

    Then the Gerald Henderson incident happened.

  4. Texpack 03/05/2007 at 12:42 PM #

    This wasn’t what anybody who has watched much basketball would classify as a cheap shot. Kent Bentsen throwing the elbow on Kareem or Chris Paul punching Julius Hodge “below the belt” fall into the cheap shot category. I would have to say that it was a hard foul gone bad. Hard fouls are important but should be used judiciously. This was an appropriate spot for one.

  5. 82grad 03/05/2007 at 12:51 PM #

    i believe that karma can be a bitch, and based on most of the negative comments towards TH here, we are due some seriously bad karma.
    how can you laugh about a college kid getting injured?
    i guess as a father of a college age son it’s just not funny to me.

  6. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 03/05/2007 at 1:02 PM #

    It appeared to me Henderson was pulling back from his block attempt Hansbrough’s nose ended up at Henderson elbow. It looked ugly but it also seemed to be unintentional.

  7. tvp 03/05/2007 at 1:06 PM #

    The beauty of this play is that its the ultimate litmus test. Your perception of the play reveals once and for all the answer to this question: Do you hate Duke or UNC more? For example, I was reading reaction on the internets last night, and all the Maryland fans were screaming about how it was clearly intentional and another example of how K is a dirty coach, etc. On the other hand, as a lifelong ABCer, I fall squarely into the “if your best player tries to show up his rival by dunking up 12 with 14 seconds left, don’t be surprised if he gets knocked the [] out” camp. And I just enjoyed seeing Hansbrough get punched in the face, I’m not going to lie to you.

  8. wolfonthehill 03/05/2007 at 1:36 PM #

    Again – I’ve been saying for about 2 months that Roy leaves his starters in WAY too late, WAY too often, WELL after the outcome is decided. I don’t cheer for anyone getting hurt, but it’s the chance you take when you exhibit sportsmanship as poor as what both Roy and Tyler have exhibited over the past couple months.

  9. wolfonthehill 03/05/2007 at 1:39 PM #

    82grad – Karma worked yesterday. Roy consistently leaves his starters in after the outcome is decided… and then one of them gets absolutely PUNKED during garbage time.

    We are not the problem here… get over it.

  10. Dan 03/05/2007 at 1:41 PM #

    tvp, I disagree. I hate Duke way more. In fact, I caught myself wishing it was McBob instead of Tyler. That said, I thought the hard foul was called for.

    UNC had no business going for two more points there. No one for UNC should have been on the blocks for the FT attempt.

    The game was over and the lane is a dangerous place.

  11. Lunatic Fringe 03/05/2007 at 1:48 PM #

    ^^^ Who is to say that Karma was not in effect during the Duke-UNC game? Han’s is by far the league’s most aggressive player who has made his name by bullying others around and when the game was well in hand he tried to show up a rival. Han’s is not an angel by any means. Henderson’s elbow was at least a part of a basketball play while Han’s elbow during the NCSU game had NOTHING to do with a basketball play.

    I never wish injury for an athlete, but we should not be surprised when someone plays this physical that they get injured during the course of play.

    One other note…Coach K has long been considered by many of the talking heads as one of the best representatives of sports, but many of the things he does on the court does not support that theory. The comments he made after the game have led K to get crushed by many of these same talking heads.

    One could say the bad Karma by these guys is just coming back to haunt them.

  12. TNCSU 03/05/2007 at 2:19 PM #

    ^^^Henderson’s elbow was at least a part of a basketball play while Han’s elbow during the NCSU game had NOTHING to do with a basketball play.

    A deliberate flying elbow part of the game?? A broken nose and blood all over the floor part of the game?? Believe me, I’m no Hansbro fan, but a hard foul might be part of the game, but not a flying elbow right across the face. Plus, what Hansbro elbow are you talking about? He took a “weak” swing?? at Brandon (some will argue that) but he didn’t even touch him. I believe that is a lot different than breaking someone’s nose.

    With that logic, anytime starters are in, up by 11 or more, less than 2 minutes, you’re free game, baby — Fight’s ON! WTF??

    I think some folks need to step back and think about some of the comments being posted advocating breaking noses with flying elbows (and calling it a “hard” foul that’s part of basketball — I think your hate of UNX is getting in the way of good judgement.

    Again, it couldn’t have happened between two teams I like less, but that’s not the point.

  13. VaWolf82 03/05/2007 at 2:20 PM #

    That was a deliberate full power forearm to the nose. Henderson meant to knock Hansbrough to the floor in a crumpled heap. It was his intention to take Hansbrough out.

    Unless you are mind reader, you are just guessing. But it’s important to note that the referrees aren’t mind readers either.

    The main differences that I saw between the swing that TH threw at Costner and the one that landed on TH was the contact itself…and of course the blood gushing down TH’s face. The referees calls in both situations were not necessarily perfect…but they were perfectly reasonable.

  14. Dan 03/05/2007 at 2:31 PM #

    Drawing blood on a flagrant should draw a one game suspension. That doesnt mean you shouldnt foul hard in that situation though. GH should have. The drawing of blood was unfortunate. The hard foul was justified.

    Roy is luck Tyler didnt land on someone’s foot in there and have his ankle snapped.

  15. choppack1 03/05/2007 at 2:35 PM #

    VaWolf – You’re exactly right. There’s only 1 person who knows whether or not Gerald actually meant to elbow Hansorough in the face. I also thought that in both cases, the officials did a good job.

  16. GAWolf 03/05/2007 at 2:58 PM #

    I think his eyes were closed when he went in flailing his arms. If that’s the case, I find it hard to believe he intentionally landed a shot to the nose.

    Check that, those of you have a clip to view.

  17. GAWolf 03/05/2007 at 3:00 PM #

    DAN… what about an undercutting foul where the guy comes down and lands on his head. Are you saying that if there’s blood it should be flagrant and if there’s no blood it should be a regular foul? The “ends” do not dictate the intent or the act that necessarily led to them.

  18. doatesjr 03/05/2007 at 3:02 PM #

    wolfonthehill,

    That’s right, Roy Williams is the poster boy for poor sportsmanship. WTF?? This is the same poor sport that a lot of you were recently praising because of his compassion towards Sid and his advice about taking it easy in this league.

    I don’t think Tyler should have been in the game, but I didn’t see Coach K yanking his starters and conceding defeat. I also don’t feel Tyler was trying to rub it in. He got a rebound under the basket and was surrounded by Dookies. He did what he instinctively does, he took it back up. Henderson also did what he instinctively does and went up to stop it. You can’t fault guys for playing hard every second they’re in the game. I think it was unfortunate that Henderson has to sit out, and I don’t think he meant to hurt anybody. Both coaches and teams should learn a lesson from this.

  19. Pack Laddie 03/05/2007 at 3:03 PM #

    “18.7 seconds left: Frasor at the line, Roy subs in Dewey Burke for Marcuse Ginyard only because Ginyard is a senior. Doesn’t take Hansbrough out so Ginyard will get his sr. ovation.

    Mr O, I thought Ginyard was only a sophomore?

    The idea of adding the suspension for drawing blood on a flagrant foul is comparable to the hockey rule of making a 2 minute minor a double minor if blood was drawn.

  20. Dan 03/05/2007 at 3:13 PM #

    GA, I’m NOT saying that an undercut shouldnt draw the same punishment. In some situations, it probably should. I’m just saying that a flagrant foul that draws blood should be punished with suspension.

    Again, I think a hard foul was justified there. Tyler had no business going for two more.

    But I’m not saying that non-blood drawing fould should be called flagrant.

  21. GAWolf 03/05/2007 at 3:15 PM #

    It looks like to me that #51 of Duke gets a hand on the ball/arm from behind which changes the course of the ball. Gerard Henderson was coming from way off to go up strong to meet Hansbrough at the rim as many of you have stated early. The quasi-deflection of the ball shows GH turn his body and focus lower than originally anticipated at rim level and thus the downward swing to swat the ball lower than likely originally thought.

    I don’t see it as that big of a deal. I believe had no blood been drawn we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Which in my opinion means that there is way too much attention put on the aftermath as opposed to the act in question itself. I guess I could be wrong about that assessment or my opinion, but it’s mine nonetheless.

  22. highstick 03/05/2007 at 3:28 PM #

    Has anyone got a link to the clip? I saw one replay yesterday, but that is all.

  23. GAWolf 03/05/2007 at 3:29 PM #

    I also find it funny that someone thinks the Duke players “stood over him.” I don’t see that either. Even in slow motion it looks like the Duke players stand over him, gather as a covey as they have always done and then move out of the way.

    I also think it’s funny that immediately upon getting up, Tyler shifts over behind a Tar Heel and only then goes to jawing at the Duke players/Henderson after he is securely stationed behind “someone holding him back.” As soon as he got up he had a straight path to Henderson if he really wanted “some.” That just bugs me. I know it’s a non-issue, but I hate to see guys yap from the safety of “being held back.” Either do something, or shut it.

  24. GAWolf 03/05/2007 at 3:29 PM #

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