UNC Lands Two Players That Clemson Admissions Turns Down

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The alternate titles for this entry were “There is a War Brewing in Clemson” or “Can’t Wait to Hear Dave Glenn talk about Carolina’s bad academics”.

It will be interesting if this piece will show up in any of Dave Glenn’s anyalsis after we have heard for the last few years how NC State consistently admits a lower level student-athlete on the football field. There are a lot of upset fans today in Tigertown.

Jones has a 2.25 core GPA and a 670 SAT. He is currently taking three core classes. If he made Bs on each core credit he would have to raise his SAT to an 800. Jones signed with North Carolina, a top 10 public institution, on Wednesday.

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109 Responses to UNC Lands Two Players That Clemson Admissions Turns Down

  1. statered 02/09/2007 at 1:03 PM #

    Red, they are is you are compiling gun crime statistics 😉

  2. BoKnowsNCS71 02/09/2007 at 1:18 PM #

    tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc — Just curious. But if the SAT information is private information, then how is getting into the public arena? I would think there would be some privacy protections for illegally obtaining and/or releasing that data?

  3. beowolf 02/09/2007 at 1:53 PM #

    tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc:

    You are reading far too much into my post to have an argument, but this is so usual on the ‘net it’s not even surprising. I don’t know how or why we know this kid’s scores, but if he’s not acceptable to CLEMSON for academics, I daresay he’s not NORTH CAROLINA FLAGSHIP PUBLIC INSTITUTION material.

    Leave out the private info and that still says he doesn’t meet that “reasonable expectation” as I stated it. Will he be enrolled? That’s another matter. This whole issue could be moot, after all.

    Also, a scholarship covers a kid’s tuition. Nominal tuition at UNC is NOT the full cost of educating a student there. In past years, tuition and fees covered only about 20 percent of the total cost. It probably covers a bit more now.

    The state’s taxpayers covered the rest.

    (Now, recent legislation has allowed out-of-state students on athletic scholarship to be counted as “in-state” students — which means that we NC taxpayers are subsidizing them as much as in-state students.)

  4. GAWolf 02/09/2007 at 2:28 PM #

    I see both sides of this argument. Dig up and read the story of Adrien Peterson who went to Georgia Southern. The kid came from a pretty tough homelife and struggled academically due to a significant speach impediment and learning disability. He went to Georgia Southern, likely as a partial qualifier though I’m not certain, and played for Paul Johnson. Last I heard he was playing backup for the Bears. In my eyes, that’s doing something with your life. If Southern couldn’t take partials, where would this guy be today?

    Bo Jackson had a similar story. Is it worth depriving some kids who might take proper advantage of the opportunity because some bad apples fail to?

    I got to be social acquaintances with many of the UGA football team in the mid to late 90’s. Many of those guys weren’t likely to be accused of being MENSA material; however, only a very very small few of them were of a character that I didn’t think deserved that opportunity that had been presented to them.

    Some kids work hard, some kids don’t. Some of the smartest guys on the UGA team that I’m familiar with found themselves academically ineligible because they just didn’t do squat. One of them was a starter. On the flip side, I saw kids going to tutors daily… something likely not offered to the average UGA student… just so they could squeek by. Were some cheating? Sure they were. Were some busting their butts to make something of an opportunity no one in their family had previously ever had? Absolutely.

  5. BoKnowsNCS71 02/09/2007 at 2:37 PM #

    David Glenn’ stake on UNC signings as of today, He had them 3rd.

    “Why third? Like Miami and several others in the ACC (and almost all of the SEC), the Heels will have to cross their fingers on the academic status of many of their signees, including two of the All-Americans. If they end up with two or three non-qualifiers when it’s time to enroll this summer, that’s a routine year for most ACC schools. If it’s six or seven, it will be the heaviest attrition in school history (see Virginia last year), and the signing-day celebration will have a hollow ring.”

  6. RedTerror29 02/09/2007 at 3:32 PM #

    ^^Adrian Peterson qualified academically, but he didn’t get his scores back until a week after signing day and all the big schools had past on him by then. The speech impediment probably prevented him from getting the benefit of the doubt.

  7. noah 02/09/2007 at 5:08 PM #

    ” then how is getting into the public arena?”

    The kids answer the question when reporters ask it.

    I think if you want to take a couple of academic exceptions and surround them with solid students and a good academic support system, you’ll be fine.

    It’s when you take two dozen lummoxes and goons and turn them loose that you have a problem.

  8. gumbydammit 02/09/2007 at 5:16 PM #

    Show me a sports columnist that isn’t a tool, and I will show you a Pack fan.

  9. Mr O 02/09/2007 at 7:27 PM #

    On the T Hall situation, NC State really screwed him over. We allowed him to enroll without him having graduated from HS which cost him a year of eligibility. There is no way our staff or admissions department should have allowed it to happen, but they did. If we didn’t allow him to enroll, then T. hall could have played the next fall as a freshman at NC State. Apparently Amato didn’t want to risk losing him between Dec and signing day, so we took a very aggressive route to try and lock him up. That decision sent him on a journey to a JUCO in California and he couldn’t suit up for NC State for two years after he originally should have been able to play for us had we not screwed the kid by allowing him to enroll.

    Dave Glenn didn’t start working at the ACC Sports Journal until the mid-late 90s. He wasn’t at the ACCSJ during the Mack Brown era.

    The Stanford website had SAT scores for a single year back during the MOC era. It wasn’t a collection of a long-term trend of SAT scores, grades, and non-qualifiers, like Glenn has collected in the last decade.

    NC State people will hold on to that N&O article about UNC taking “exceptions” during the Mack Brown era forever. All it did was point out that most of the football players UNC accepted fit into the exception category because they were exceptions to normal admission standards.

    Same thing goes for NC State and we still did until we followed UNC’s lead and got rid of the term “academic exception” altogether.

    During the Mack Brown era, they weren’t accepting non-qualifiers or Prop 48 kids. Everyone they were getting were full qualifiers and would have easily been accepted at NC State as well.

    I saw it mentioned on Packpride, but can’t find it now. I think it was measured over the last six years, but we led the ACC with 26 guys that did not qualify. UNC had 13. That is half.

    Hear we have some people pointing out biases of Dave Glenn, but then at the same time show their own NC State slant on facts/stories that are not “positive” about NC State and are more “positive” about UNC.

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