A View From the Cheap Seats

I am a State fan. There is a plausible sincerity to these words, an earnestness that rings poetic.

To mention these words is to seemingly reveal your character, the very essence of your soul. It is shameless and self-affirming, an unabashed sense of pride about whom you are, perhaps a tad arrogant, however devoid of elitism. To state these words is to affirm that your loyalty is absolute and unwavering; you have laid claim to a title that commands respect because you are genuine – a flailing sense of dedication is not tolerated. There is a subtle swagger in the way you say it, a bluster that only another true State fan can ever entirely comprehend.

And still yet, as a State fan, you are not exactly teeming with bliss, but rather a desperate longing for satisfaction, appeasement. There exists within you an undeniable complexity, a dichotomy to your nature common among Wolfpack Nation. You are patient and forgiving and doggedly loyal to a fault, but you are marked by a looming forlornness of unfulfilled expectations and dashed hopes. Yet somehow you are decidedly resilient, having borne the stigma of the 90s and shunned any of its accompanying shame.

And of course, you hate Carolina; it’s inherent, a black or white issue: You cannot be a true State fan and have even the slightest inkling of any tolerance for the team O’er the Hill. That is undeniable, scientific fact.

I hate Carolina. There’s a solemn sincerity in these words as well, although they might not be quite as poetic. I hate them with such a fiery passion that I delight as much in a loss for them as I do a win for us. I so despise losing to them, that when we do, the trauma takes days off my life.

But do I even know why I hate them so much?

See, I don’t hate Carolina because the bastards are perpetual media darlings or because everyone gushes over their storied and hallowed tradition of excellence or because they had a legendary coach that unified them for decades or because they have won five (still counting as of today) national championships and 15 ACC titles.

I don’t hate the Well or the Bell or the supposed magnificent aura of the Dean E. Smith Center.

I don’t despise them for the fact that even when we are better than them they usually find a way to beat us or that Tyler Hansbrough never blinks nor fouls. I don’t wallow in the desperation of the fact that Ishua Benjamin always seems to get bumped out of bounds with less than a minute to play leading to a puzzling jump ball call or that there’s always a Jim Knight around to take points off the scoreboard at a crucial moment.

I don’t deplore them for hanging in the rafters the jersey of any player who ever plopped his sweaty ass on the bench and I could care less if they have a nationally-exposed, bitter, storied rivalry with Duke and act indifferent towards State.

I don’t hate their pseudo-elitist personas and I don’t hate the media-bias in favor of them from Manteo to Murphy.

I don’t hate that anywhere I’ve ever been I could find a Carolina hat (including, most recently, on the ski slopes of Italy) or that everyone that moves to North Carolina always cheers for them because of “how good they are.”

I don’t despise the fact that I cringe whenever someone says “Tar Heel State” and that when I’m governor someday my duties will require that I pretend to be proud and excited that they won a championship when the team visits the mansion while secretly I’d like to build a wall around Chapel Hill and fill it with water.

I don’t hate that Carolina fans have no idea what it’s like to endure true frustration because after two years of mediocrity they solved the problem.

I don’t hate them because we’ll never be close to where they are in basketball and will never consistently dominate them in football, yet we’re unwilling to ever accept that reality.

I don’t hate Carolina for any of the aforementioned trivial reasons.

Wait, that’s precisely why I hate them.

About LRM

Charter member of the Lunatic Fringe and a fan, loyal to a fault.

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85 Responses to A View From the Cheap Seats

  1. MrPlywood 02/02/2007 at 8:13 PM #

    As much as I enjoy hating UNX and their bandwagon, I would relish it even more if they hated us. With a passion. The way to have that happen is to beat them. Often. I want them to be worried about losing every time they play State. At our place. At their place. Nuetral court. Right now that’s just not the case.

    However, I think that Sidney is one the right track. I am very curious to see how he handles the game, the team, and the surrounding hype. At this point it may be asking too much for a win, but I would love to scare the hell out of Carolina.

  2. Wufpacker 02/02/2007 at 8:18 PM #

    QUOTE:
    “When I was a little kid, I would cry and throw a temper tantrum when they lost.”

    Actually, that sounds pretty much like most of the adult Carolina fans I know. The rest, of course, claim not to be fans after a loss.

  3. redfred2 02/02/2007 at 8:20 PM #

    It’s nice to dream about but I don’t see much way of scaring UNC at all. They need to just stay focused, keep their heads in the game, hustle all over the court all the way until the final horn sounds, and that’s a victory for Sidney Lowe right now. Just play hard, don’t roll over, and don’t give it away!

  4. 98st8 02/02/2007 at 8:45 PM #

    Being a State fan takes a great deal of Intestinal Fortitude or is somewhat like chopping wood….. wait did I just say that. Someone slap me

  5. redfred2 02/02/2007 at 8:56 PM #

    It’s about as frustrating as dating the most gorgeous virgin in the world. You know there’s not much of chance, but there’s no way in hell that you’re ever gonna give up on it.

  6. gopack968 02/02/2007 at 9:20 PM #

    I married into Wolfpack nation in 1998. But the family are fanatics: both of my wife’s parents are retired faculty, she has three degrees from State and both of her children will graduate from State this spring. I really don’t like Carolina – but it is not hate. I think I just arrived too late. Dean Smith was retiring and his many replacements have just not been nearly as hateable or despicable. Sure I despised some of those smug punks. But I just can’t seem to hate them.

    But I do hate Duke. I arrived just in time for the ascendency of Coach K to the level of official deity – never to be challenged or even questioned. I have sat in Cameron and listened to him curse up a storm that makes even an ex-soldier like me cringe in public. The media, the refs, the rest of the nation outside of NC just fall at their feet. I even remember when I started hating Duke. It was at the first ACC game I ever attended, against Duke in Reynolds. Near the end of the game, away from the ball, Wojo and freshman Archie Miller went down in a tangled heap. I watched as Wojo punched Archie as hard as he could in the chest as he got up. Yup – hating Duke is easy.

    My wife thinks its funny. She hates Carolina. And she came by that through birth.

  7. redfred2 02/02/2007 at 9:45 PM #

    Dean was smug and sneaky, and I hated some of the tactics he employed. I give him credit though, they were legal and they worked most of the time. I hated Carolina but also knew Smith would do whatever it took to win, and that was admireable. Everybody jumps on Duke for being the innovators and inappropriately using the charge, hate to tell you but George Karl and Dudley Bradley were doing that way back when.

    K on the other hand, is right there cussing up a storm for everyone to hear and not hiding it from anyone. He learned from some guy, can’t remember his name, but then he saw Dean bullying the ACC officials and getting away with it and he just followed Dean’s lead. K had the b*lls to make it work for him over at Duke, but still to a lesser that Dean Smith did at UNC. Also, I don’t mind Duke’s hard nosed and straight up style of play half as much as I did UNC’s style back in the day.

    I have a feeling you’ll see a lot of the Duke bandwagon jumping back over to blue powder again and that will swing the tide. I guess it’s all a generational thing.

  8. Lee Fowler 02/02/2007 at 10:10 PM #

    50+ Years of Inexplicable Luck
    Scott Cherry
    Dean Sniff
    Makhtar Ndiaye
    Brendan Haywood
    Eric Montross
    1957
    Rasheed Wallace
    Blonde Towel Waving White Boy Bench Warmers
    JR Reid
    Ademola Okalaja
    Jerry Crackhouse
    Larry Brown
    Nike
    1982
    Brian Berstickler
    Jeff McInnis
    Freddie Brown’s Mind
    Sweater Vests
    Scott Williams
    Lawrence Taylor
    Dick Paparo
    King Rice
    Stuart Scott
    40 foot buzzer beaters
    Joe Wolf
    The other Scott Williams – Roy’s boy
    Rashad McCants
    Pom Poms
    Dante Calabria
    George Karl
    Chris Webber gambling debt
    Dogwood trees
    Matt Wenstrom
    Octagon
    Antawn Jamison
    Mia Hamm
    Ranzino Smith
    41 jerseys in the rafters
    Lenny Wertz
    Vince Carter
    1993
    Matt Doherty
    George Lynch
    Johnny Swofford
    Kris Lang
    Anson Dorrance
    Kenny Smith
    Davis Love, III
    Mack Brown
    JV teams
    Joe Forte
    Kevin Salvadori
    Steve Hale
    2005
    ESPN
    Michael Jordan
    Bill Guthridge’s smirk
    Names ending with Roman numerals
    The Old (pissing) Well
    1929 myth

    need more reasons to hate them?

  9. Rochester 02/02/2007 at 10:13 PM #

    I moved to Durham in 1990, from Seattle. College basketball was nothing in Seattle then, so it was something of an eye opener to me to move to ACC country. I applied to two schools that spring, State and EZU. Like the rest of you guys, I could have gotten in to Carolina, but I met enough people in my first month or so down there to pick up on the subtle and not-so-subtle high-and-mighty attitude of the Carolina students and grads. To be fair, a few of them were cool, but in general, well, I had gone to high school with enough snobs that I didn’t want to go to college at the snob capital of the universe.

    I actually hated Duke more in my early ACC years, but that was mostly due to Bobby Hurley and Christian Laettner. I had enough hatred for Carolina and eventually that won out, though I sure don’t mind watching Duke lose.

    It’s all cyclical. It may take a couple of years, but our turn will come again. We will reach the top again. And they’ll both be looking up at us. And it will be so fucking sweet.

  10. Lee Fowler 02/02/2007 at 10:14 PM #

    Rochester, you are obviously still a little wet behind the ears. See #1 on my list above.

  11. Rochester 02/02/2007 at 10:17 PM #

    ^Can’t help where and when you’re born.

  12. Lee Fowler 02/02/2007 at 10:20 PM #

    Its no offense, just the reality that they have always been and always will be our daddy given their historic divine fortunes. Stick around a while and you will learn.

  13. Rochester 02/02/2007 at 10:22 PM #

    Glad to see King Rice made the list. I remember in one of the bathroom stalls at Satisfactions in Durham, someone had taken a marker and written “King Rice still sucks” on the wall. Probably a Duke fan, but they were right. Whenever I find myself inebriated in a public restroom (doesn’t happen as frequently as it used to) I look up on the wall and I can still kind of picture it.

  14. Scott Cherry's Sore Butthole 02/02/2007 at 10:22 PM #

    Go Heels!

  15. packman12 02/02/2007 at 11:14 PM #

    Come on State Fans, even you are duped by believing unc has won 5 national titles. They have won 4- in ’57, ’82, ’93 & ’05. They claim another before there was any such thing as an NCAA tournament. What arrogance on their part, and even you fell for it. Another reason to hate them!

  16. bTHEredterror 02/02/2007 at 11:25 PM #

    You hate them for the same reason you love State. Because you have a soul.

  17. PurplePeopleEaters 02/02/2007 at 11:48 PM #

    It’s a strange feeling being a state fan that most non state fans don’t really understand. It’s like being the middle sibling. The younger and older ones get all the attention and the middle one is left unnoticed. It’s like we’re the constant underdog against UNC and Duke and it probably won’t change for as long as K and Roy are there (unless sidney can prove his worth against them in the upcoming years).

    I’m really used to this. If you haven’t already figured it out by my screen name, i’m a diehard vikings fan. Us vikings fans have experienced 4 lost super bowls, tons of chokejobs in big games throughout history, getting crapped on by the media constantly, and worst of all having to deal with PACKERS AND BEARS fans 24/7 talking about their magnificent(ly lucky) teams.

    Most state fans have this constant optimism that one day they’ll be on top again but deep down they know that they’ll probably end up being let down in the end. Like we hope we can beat UNC tomorrow but we really doubt it will happen deep down. That builds the hatred for UNC. Constantly being in 2nd place. UNC and Duke fans acting like their teams are god’s gift to mankind and that NC State players wouldn’t start on their freakin practice squad (yes, I did hear from a UNC fan today that Engin Atsur would not make the UNC practice squad).

    It gets old and it builds up over time. I’m sure that we’re making strides though. Sidney is a lot like Jimmy V. Tom O’Brien looks like he could be something great… Patience is key.

  18. LRM 02/03/2007 at 1:40 AM #

    SFN didn’t “fall” for anything…the “five” national titles was purely jest on my part, as they continue to add titles to stay ahead of Dook. That was more for all my Carolina buddies more than anything.

  19. whitefang 02/03/2007 at 8:35 AM #

    I too grew up a UNC fan. Used to argue all the time with my grandmother who was a HUGE State fan when I was a kid. Yes in those days State was as big a factor as UNC or Duke in basketball. Got in both schools, chose State for engineering.
    Even when I was at State I couldn’t say I hated Carolina that much. Sure I wanted to beat the crap out of them, but really it seemed to me they hated US worse than we did them (70’s). Friends of mine that went to UNC used to come over to Raleigh frequently to party with us on fraternity row, on Hillsborough, or hang out at my fraternity house. (I guess that is what frustrates me so much about the earlier subject of “student life at State”)
    When I started hating the MF’ers so much was when I graduated from State, moved back to western NC and noticed so many SOB’s who couldn’t get into either school, and probably couldn’t find Chapel Hill on a map, wearing baby blue shit and declaring their undying love for the Tarheels.
    Sure you always run into the UNC graduate who lives and breathes Carolina, but for the most part they are the wimpy, pantywaisted type who couldn’t freaking chew chewing gum and walk at the same. The athlete friends of mine who played sports for Carolina plus what I would consider the “regular” guys who went there don’t take it nearly as seriously and are not near as hard to bear.
    I guess I am one of the few here who doesn’t hate Duke. Hell they have shut the pantywaists’ mouths a lot over the last decade and I appreciate that. Hope we can start doing some of that soon.
    Lastly both of my older sons got into UNC (the oldest was offered a pretty good academic scholarship there) and both turned them down. They were both high school football players, the smart “top of the class” jock types, and after spending some time there visiting both said, although there were a ton of girls there, there really wasn’t a lot of their type of guys. To many wimps and too many thugs is how I think they put it. No they didn’t even consider State – both ended up at UVa. Really hurt my wallet, but at least I don’t have to spend time in Chapel Hole.

  20. Charles Kuralt 02/03/2007 at 9:26 AM #

    More reasons:

    Wal-Mart
    Dave Popson
    Dre Bly
    78 degrees and sunny
    Rick Fox
    Morehead Planetarium
    Buzz Peterson
    Charlotte, NC
    The Kenan Flagler Business School
    Alexander Julian
    Top of the Hill
    Hubert Davis
    Wendy’s “Carolina Classic” combo
    Steve Bucknall
    Yuppies
    The ageless team doctor
    Bow ties
    Blue Heaven
    Pittsboro
    The “Carolina Way”
    The South Building
    Carrboro hipsters
    Greensboro
    Wachovia
    The Pepsi Challenge
    Rockingham
    Miracle endings

  21. Sw0rdf1sh 02/03/2007 at 9:28 AM #

    Rick Says:

    February 2nd, 2007 at 2:36 pm
    I sometimes wonder if it is child abuse to raise my two year old as a State fan.

    ^
    I’ve often wondered the same thing…..but there is no way my boy is wearing purple and gold (my wifes alma mater). She’s from NY and doesn’t have the same level of “lunatic fringe” school spirit that I do.

    Great article to get the juices flowing for todays game.

    Now if you wlll excuse me, I’m going to go outside and flip off my neighbor. The one with the Carolina flag hanging from their house and UNC Stickers all over their cars.

  22. tractor57 02/03/2007 at 9:37 AM #

    Don’t forget Warren Martin as in “Watch Warren walk” (that was chanted at a Clemson/UNX game at Littlejohn.

  23. Charles Kuralt 02/03/2007 at 9:43 AM #

    Warren Martin
    National marketing appeal
    Brian Reese
    Players named “Pierce Landry”
    Graduation rates
    “that kid” in middle school
    Coach Huckleberry Hound
    Larry Rose
    The Victory Song
    Original whisker mustaches
    Dick Vitale
    Internal investigations
    Crips
    Kevin Madden

  24. packwolf90 02/03/2007 at 9:56 AM #

    I HATE KURLINA!

    Ya’ll think me and the old man could get some tickets outside the rbc. We’re thinkin about ridin up there for the game.

    Believe

  25. 98st8 02/03/2007 at 10:06 AM #

    I hate Charles Kuralt because of Carolina… those disgusting commercials

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