No lead is safe against Lowe’s Wolfpack

Granted, the ACC season hasn’t started yet, and granted NC State does have four losses, although none of the “embarrassing” kind against an outmatched opponent. So don’t think this is a starry-eyed rah-rah post that’s blind to the Pack’s record. Instead, it’s a trend-spotting assessment of a very thin but very young Wolfpack team with an eye toward the future.

It’s an old saying, but it is that way because it has the ring of truth: a team reflects the character of its coach. That’s good news when your coach is the scrappy, resourceful and cool-headed Sidney Lowe. Going back to their first game under the new head coach, Lowe’s Wolfpack has shown a never-say-die resiliency, repeatedly charging back from deficits and frequently winning.

The following are the deficits that Lowe’s short-handed squad have overcome so far in their 10-4 pre-ACC campaign:

Wofford: 9 points (54-45) at half (winning 92-88)
Michigan: 12 points (16-4) in the first half (winning 74-67)
East Carolina: 15 points (34-19) in the first half (winning 64-57)
UNC-Greensboro: 11 points (58-47) in the second half (winning 95-93 in OT)

Of course, there was also the insufficient comeback against No. 9 Alabama, when the Wolfpack trailed by 23 in the second half but closed to within six and forced a turnover late in the game before losing by 7, 82-75. (The Pack also trailed at halftime to Gardner-Webb by three, winning 88-76.)

The lesson here is: Don’t count Sidney Lowe’s team out when they’re trailing. This team believes it can come back, and most of the time, they’re right.

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96 Responses to No lead is safe against Lowe’s Wolfpack

  1. partialqualifier 01/03/2007 at 9:33 AM #

    Second…..

    I, too have been impressed with this teams determination. I think Shooting Guards post above is tremendous. It is one of the few that I have ever read that made me think anout some of the stuff I had seen so far. Kudos for the post.

    Kudos also to NC State for not losing last night. It is extremely rare that a team scores 48 points behind the arc and loses. Kudos to Gavin Grant….who despite looking like crap offensively for 39 minutes….he became the savior scoring the last 5 points for State on 2 tough shots in the final minute. I am sure that I was not the only one screaming “NO!” when he pulled up from the elbow with a minute left in the game! Kudos to Ben McCauley. He reminds me of Googs….only more polished at this stage of his career. I think he is playing better than anyone since Googs at NC State.

    Despite all the Kudos, hugs, and kisses….there is something disturbing to me. Why is it that Neiman can start and contribute against Michigan, but saw no minutes last night? I hear a lot of us crying about depth when Neiman is a healthy body on the bench who could at least play 8-10 minutes per game to spell some guys. That would give State 7 guys even without Atsur. There are many, many teams including Duke the last few years who play with 7. I think Lowe is doing pretty well, but it is inexcusable not to play healthy bodies then complain about guys getting tired. I can understand not playing Albritton….he is a turnover machine. But Neiman isnt all that bad. You could sub him and Ferguson in and move Grant from 2 to 3 to 4 even for a few. In essence you could use 2 guys to give everybody a rest at times. I dont understand this.

  2. Gene 01/03/2007 at 9:51 AM #

    Does anyone know why Brian Nieman did not play last night and only got token minutes against UNC-W? Ever since Ferguson became eligible to play Nieman’s basically minutes have disappeared.

  3. ChuckAllYall 01/03/2007 at 10:03 AM #

    With Sid, you can already see the little things he does benefitting this team. Everytime Gavin makes a “questionable” play you notice him look over at Sid and Sid remains positive and upbeat with him. I don’t think you can underestimate the value that this has on a (young) players psyche. Sid knows there are times when we are going to need Gavin to come up big (like last night) and recognizes the value of keeping his confidence up. Different players respond to different methods and Sid appears to understand how to motivate each of his guys accordingly. Being supportive and allowing players to play and do what they do best while remaining within the framework of the team….. This is really refreshing and I guess it could be called………coaching? Damn it’s fun to watch!

  4. ChuckAllYall 01/03/2007 at 10:06 AM #

    Not sure what’s up with Nieman, was wondering about that too.

  5. Girlfriend in a Coma 01/03/2007 at 10:11 AM #

    Obviously they don’t think Neiman is good enough to get on the court. It’s not exactly hard to figure out. What is the mystery?

  6. Rochester 01/03/2007 at 10:16 AM #

    My guess on Nieman is that Ferguson fills a very similar role, only better. Ferguson is quicker, a better ball handler, and a better and more confident shooter. Perhaps they’re not comfortable with both of them on the floor at the same time, and since Ferguson is better, he’s taken all of Nieman’s minutes.

    I think it was the WVa game that Nieman started and came out of pretty quickly because their guards were just going off from outside. Maybe Sid’s not confident he can guard the 3, and UNCG obviously can nail those, so he didn’t put Nieman in. Nieman also looks to me to be unwilling to take shots even when he’s fairly open, and it’s tough to put a guy out there that the other team can play off of like that. Maybe if Brian popped a couple of 3’s in his confidence would rise and he’d shoot more often.

  7. ChuckAllYall 01/03/2007 at 10:30 AM #

    It just seems when you’ve got a six man rotation, anytime you can steal a few minutes here and there with a guy that doesn’t give you too substantial a drop off, you use him. Obviously the coaching staff knows what they’re doing, just wondering if there is something more to it than meets the eye.

  8. StateFans 01/03/2007 at 10:37 AM #

    Not only do they think Ferguson is better and offers more defensively as well was with ball handling and shooting…Ferguson is a Freshman whose minutes are like an investment in his future.

    Neiman is a senior whose minutes are only important right now.

  9. VaWolf82 01/03/2007 at 10:48 AM #

    I’ve said this multiple times before. When a player doesn’t get off of the bench, there are a few options that will cover the large majority of cases:

    1) The kids getting playing time are better than the kid in question.
    2) Undisclosed medical issue.
    3) Undisclosed discipline issue.

    I can’t believe that people are scratching their head wondering why a walk-on (with a one-year scholarship) isn’t getting more playing time. I applaud Nieman’s effort and willigness to do anything that he is asked to do. But, I see no reason to second guess Lowe’s decision on who is playing and how much they are playing.

  10. ChuckAllYall 01/03/2007 at 10:51 AM #

    Ferguson’s got sweet hair too.

  11. Girlfriend in a Coma 01/03/2007 at 10:57 AM #

    Eric Stoltzesque.

  12. ChuckAllYall 01/03/2007 at 11:01 AM #

    VAWolf82. Agree with your points. Ferguson has simply taken over Nieman’s role on the team. I do however see a difference in asking a question about potential substitution patterns and second guessing a coaches decision making (which is not the case). It’ll be interesting to see how the substitution pattern plays out when Atsur returns (assuming he successfully returns to 100%).

  13. Clarksa 01/03/2007 at 11:21 AM #

    “Anyway, I may have missed it, but these announcers couldn’t stop talking about how great Sidney is, and all that he has brought to the team, and our incredible coaching staff, recruiting, etc. It was really a refreshing change. In fact, unless I missed it again, I think the only time they even said the words “Herb Sendek” was when they were listing all of the great coaches that NC State has had. I didn’t hear a single bashing of the fans, the school, anything – what a change”

    That’s a far cry from the announcers that we had vs Michigan…I sent ESPN feedback and asked them to focus on the positives of our new coaching staff, maybe they listened to the complaint?

  14. Rochester 01/03/2007 at 11:35 AM #

    Clarksa, Doubt they listened to you. Bucky Waters played at NC State, so he’s not going to rip us like some of those other jackasses.

  15. RickJ 01/03/2007 at 11:35 AM #

    You guys do realize Bucky Waters (one of the announcers) played for Case at NC State. Vic Bubas hired Bucky as an assistant when Bubas was hired as Duke’s head coach. Waters will always love the Pack.

  16. Astral Rain 01/03/2007 at 11:40 AM #

    Could all the basket pouonding by State be a ploy to draw fouls, and give the guys more of a break during the game? You don’t get as tired on the line…

    Nieman should get about 5-10 mins a game though to give the iron 6 some rest….

    That game a lot of teams in the big conferences would have been tripped up on- I’m pretty sure UNCG was playing above their station last night. So it was a good win- now if Sid can get to 18 wins, we can talk bubble, over halfway there now! (Yeah, unrealistic, but might as well set a goal there and see if it can be reached- if not, still a good season given the expectations and happenings)

  17. PackGirl 01/03/2007 at 11:41 AM #

    ^Speaking of hair issues – what’s with all the goatees on the team? Whoever invented this most unflattering of facial hair styles (probably a goat) should be shot. I think they should all start wearing a David Niven mustache like Sid.

  18. ChuckAllYall 01/03/2007 at 11:50 AM #

    From Wikipedia……Interesting

    In modern American slang, the phrase “raising the goatee” means to have a person’s goatee raised at someone in a sign of displeasure or contempt. The term, which is a take on the phrase “raised eyebrows”, was first brought into popular usage because of the aggressive facial expressions of Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher (who wears a goatee) to his players and officials from the sidelines of National Football League games

  19. ChuckAllYall 01/03/2007 at 11:52 AM #

    I wonder how many times I’m going to “Raise the Goatee” at Ted Valentine this year.

  20. Mr O 01/03/2007 at 12:18 PM #

    If Nieman can help us win, then he will play.

  21. ShootingGuard 01/03/2007 at 12:33 PM #

    “I think that in addition to the effort being made to conserve energy early in games, that we are a half step slow on the perimeter.”

    BINGO on that one. Somebody asked me last night why we can’t seem to cover their “little quick guys”…to which I said “because we don’t have any little quick guys”…Ben and Brandon are very mobile frontcourt guys, but we are slow as Christmas on the perimeter. And, with Courtney in foul trouble, we became even slower due to him having to be extra careful. Grant is very athletic and can make up for some things with his length as well as create some interesting matchup problems on the other end, but, over the course of playing 45 minutes, he becomes slower footed—and defense is mostly about your feet…Unfortunately, all the calls for Nieman and even Atsur won’t solve this problem…

  22. NCSUwolfpack4Life 01/03/2007 at 12:34 PM #

    Nieman isn’t playing because he’s not that good. It’s not that hard to figure out people. He was good for what we needed him for and he should be applauded for the effort he gave. Yes you can get a fresh body out there with Nieman on the floor but you have a SUBSTANTIAL drop-off from Ferg or Fells coming off the floor and putting Nieman in. I would have been absolutely baffled if Nieman had gotten in that game last night while we were trying to make a come-back and more importantly when we were winning in OT. Nieman is not suited for making a comeback or to win a game. When we are up by 10 points or more, you’ll see nieman in the game to give someone some minutes. However, you will NOT see nieman in the game when we’re behind or when we’re trying to take a lead. At least you shouldn’t see him.

  23. NCSUwolfpack4Life 01/03/2007 at 12:37 PM #

    Also, I don’t care who you are, if you leave them WIDE OPEN most teams aren’t going to hit 16 threes in a game. Hell most teams don’t hit 16 threes in TWO games much less in one where they are at least slightly covered. I gaurantee you, I could sit those same guys out there tomorrow with NOONE covering them and they couldn’t hit 16 out of 30 three point shots. It’s just not going to happen.

  24. nycfan 01/03/2007 at 12:38 PM #

    I agree whole-heartedly that Lowe has invigorated this team and they simply do not quit. I also agree that due to having no depth, State is having to pick and choose its moments in terms of giving 110%, which in such an extreme case of lack of depth generally means playing in spurts and playing closer games or even coming from behind.

    But just to play Devil’s Advocate, since I happened to be looking at State’s W/L record in thinking about the match-up with Boston College, the flip side of the comeback story is that the four teams highlighted in the post (Wofford, ECU, UNCG & Michigan) have a combined record of 26-27. That record is even worse for Wofford, ECU and UNCG, a combined 14-24 (and while Michigan has a gaudy-looking 12-3 record, they have been thumped by the only three quality teams they’ve played, -7 @ State, -37 @ UCLA, -16 v. Georgetown). The other two teams mentioned in the original post or later in this thread are UNC-W and Gardner Webb, who have a combined record of 5-17.

    So, yes, State doesn’t give up and that almost paid dividends against Bama and could result in a few ACC “steals” — but the flip side is the comebacks are against teams that (outside Michigan) State should beat and shouldn’t have been losing to (at least by the second half) in the first place. That said, Les Robinson managed to lose just these sorts of games with his teams fading in the end.

    I think this State team is about impossible to predict right now. On the one hand, the team seems to be increasingly struggling with low major teams, OTOH, they are still winning these games and have a fantastic inside duo of Costner and McCauley and presumably one day Atsur will be back. While it is hard to believe that with this lack of depth State could end up .500 in ACC play, it is easy to believe they will win a majority of their home conference games and pull a big upset or two along the way. Then I wonder how State will really look against a top-25 to 50 team and the close wins against UNCG and ECU et al give me pause.

    At least you can say that this is the first season in about a decade that I make a point to watch State games when they are on b/c this team is fun to watch.

    Also, in case you’re curious, here is how those teams have done against each other and against other ACC teams thus far … there is no transitive property, so take it for what it is worth …

    Team (State’s margin of victory) — versus ACC, other State opponents

    Wofford (+4) — @ Cincy W+1 (WTF?), @ UNCG L-23, @ Michigan L-34, @ Clemson L -24

    ECU (+7) — @ UNCG W+8, UNCW L-15, @ WFU L-16

    UNCG (+2 OT) — @ Dook L-27, ECU L-8, Gardner Webb W +13, Wofford W +23

    UNCW (+21) — ECU W+15

    Gardner Webb– @ UNC W -53, UNCG L -13, @ WFU L -32

  25. 82grad 01/03/2007 at 12:47 PM #

    talk about spin………..

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