Very Close to Official – O’Brien New Leader of the Pack

It’s now a headline on ESPN.com – Boston College head coach Tom O’Brien will leave to coach Atlantic Division rival NC State. It looks as if we may get a formal announcement as early as tomorrow.

As SFN noted earlier today, we agree with the apparent decision of the NC State search committee – Tom O’Brien is a better hire than Paul Johnson. And pretty much everyone agreed that Johnson would be a good hire, and clearly an upgrade over Amato.

I don’t want to repeat too much of the logic from the above-linked post. Suffice to say – those who claim Tom O’Brien is “Herb Sendek v. 2.0” are simply wrong, in our estimation. According to SFN’s sources, Coach O’Brien sought out the NC State job with the same vigor and tenacity as did Jimbo Fisher. He really wants to be here, and I think it’s safe to assume it’s because he believes he can elevate his success to a whole new level at NC State. He can go from “pretty good” to periodically competing for the ACC title, and regularly make good bowls (as even his current level of performance would land NC State in good bowl games). His floor essentially is identical to the Dick Sheridan level of performance, and few Wolfpackers complain about that era. And that’s not to say we expect that to be his ultimate ceiling – there’s every bit as much reason to hope for upside from TOB as there was with respect to PJ. I don’t think O’Brien would have made this move if he didn’t think he could take it to the next level at NC State. We should be honored and very enthusiastic that such an accomplished, respected coach feels that way about our university.

Please feel free to share your opinions below (don’t forget to contribute more facts at VaWolf’s thread below). We hope that even those fans hoping for Johnson, Fisher, or somebody else will be fair and rational about this hire. At SFN, we couldn’t be more excited about ushering in a new winning era of NC State football.

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192 Responses to Very Close to Official – O’Brien New Leader of the Pack

  1. RedTerror29 12/07/2006 at 9:20 AM #

    I was certainly a Paul Johnson fan and will remain one. I hope he winds up at one of my two favorite “other” schools, Bama or WVU, and think he will field top 15-type teams there.

    However, TOB now has better facilities, fans, natural recruiting, everything. It may not happen, but there’s no reason not to predict he will win more here than at BC, which was darn plenty. It’s my understanding he pretty much got owned by Miami, but I can assure that at no time during his tenure at BC did the EVER match up with Miami talent-wise – awful hard to beat somebody when they got the talent. I hope to God he showed some FIRE during the interview when discussing going head-to-head with Butch again, only this time with relatively equal talent. I might have hired him on the spot.

    And for all you comparing him to Sendek – two thoughts:
    Sendek could never recruit and develop centers and point guards. Who has TOB always been able to recruit and develop? Linemen and QB’s (which Amato never could, btw).
    Sendek was known as a good recruiter, but obviously never got nearly the potential out of his recruits (see how much better everyone looks this year). What is TOB known for? Taking the best talent available at a disadvantaged recruiting program and getting the most out of it.
    Whether he can get over the hump and win the big games at State remains to be seen – but he’s no Sendek.

  2. TNCSU 12/07/2006 at 9:23 AM #

    Describing TOB as being “out-coached” in Raleigh is a huge stretch. I don’t count successful hail mary’s as good coaching.

    Correct, he’s a “Hail Mary” away from 10-2 and probably would have been in the title game vs. Ga. Tech.

    I think we should all get firmly behind TOB, and I know this isn’t popular, but — give LF a little credit for a very good search (i.e. out of the public eye). SEMPER FI!

  3. packgrad2000 12/07/2006 at 9:27 AM #

    As far as State “stealing” a coach from a fellow member, I don’t think the BC fans are too upset at us: http://forheremenaremen.blogspot.com/
    In fact, they’re thanking us. That worries me. However, I don’t think you’ll hear this from the national media: “Poor Tom O’Brien. All he ever did at BC is win football games but these fans ran him out of town.” Instead we’ll hear, “How low is it that N.C. State raided a fellow conference member’s coach and his whole staff? They had a dozen coaches wanting to come here and greedy N.C. State hires O’Brien from Boston College.”
    Seriously, I think we all need to get behind him now. What’s done is done and hopefully we’re looking at years of 8-10 win seasons.

  4. Wolfpack4ever 12/07/2006 at 9:27 AM #

    Cardiff Giant Says: “Wolfpack4ever, good and interesting post. I had not considered the Buddy Green / Godette angle.”

    CG, I may be wrong but wasn’t it Robbie Caldwell and Green?
    Any-some-how, thanks for putting the “hatchet” aside for a moment if not burying it. Given our recent past exchanges, I acknowledge you for your “size of character” in your comments above.

  5. statered 12/07/2006 at 9:27 AM #

    vt I’ll try to explain it to you clearly since you are having such a hard time.

    The most important thing in sports is that intangible “it” factor. It is what seperates the champions from the also-rans. Its what makes some players want the ball with the game on the line while others run from it. It is “competitive greatness.” Hard to define but people sure as hell know it when they see it. All great champions have it – in our case V most obviously had it.

    Once people come to the realization that a player or coach does not have “it” they lose hope because they know no matter how well things seems to be going there is not hope for greatness because when the pressure is on the guy folds – because he does not have the “it” factor.

    I have followed BC pretty closely the last five years and spent time with BC alums – this is precisely the conclusion they came to. It may seem pretty crazy from the outside but look closely enough and you will see it – the guy is NOT a big game coach.

    This is PRECISELY the problem we had with Herb. This time we are ASU and BC is laughing at us for failing to see what is obvious to anyone who would look closely.

    TOB = George B. McClellan

    And another thing – Grobe owns him.

  6. PapaJohn 12/07/2006 at 9:28 AM #

    LF drives me as crazy as the rest of us, but I think he got the right guy. A proven head coach. A solid staff. A winning record in a major conference. A great bowl track record. And a history of very solid teams in at a ‘difficult to recruit for’ school. And teams that don’t beat themselves.

    Many questioned PJ’s staff. PJ was not winning in a major conference. And, just like PJ, TOB has a history of overcoming recruiting challenges. I think we got a “better PJ.”

    Nice job LF, a quick, quiet, effective coaching search.

  7. Pack92 12/07/2006 at 9:30 AM #

    Cardiff, I wasn’t talking to you! It just took me so long to write the thing that’s where it fell. I agree with you that what you said was on PacKPride was an awful thing to say and I for sure do not feel that way.

    vtpackfan, if you read my post I AGREED it was a good move for TOB. I just see too many similarities between what is happening and what happened to us with HS. I do not want NCSU to be the recipient as was ASU in basketball. statered did make some points about the record, as did I, that make a question of this being such a great hire. No one is arguing AT ALL that this is a good hire for the Pack.

  8. wolfbytes 12/07/2006 at 9:30 AM #

    It will be interesting to see what will happen with the talent already on the team. I hesitate to say that we are more talented than BC, I am not sure that is true. However, he has done more with less at BC. It will be fascinating to see if the current talent here will “fall in line”, or try and buck the disciplinarian.

    He may do better recruiting in state than others. TOB is a former Marine. NC is the number 2 state in the country with “boots on the ground” Camp Lejune, Fort Bragg, SJAFB, PopeAFB, Cherry Point. Just a hypothesis.

  9. packgrad2000 12/07/2006 at 9:34 AM #

    RedTerror: I think all the comparisons to Sendek are the fact that he’s been at BC for 10 years with no conference championship of any kind to show for it; he wins the easy games but has a less than stellar record in the big games; he’s had 3 nine-win seasons in a row yet his fans are happy to see him go. BC fans are saying right now the same thing we were saying last March: Yes, he looks good on paper, but we will never win a conference championship or go to a BCS bowl. Ironically it’s the BC fans’ fault that they haven’t gone to a decent bowl, not TOB’s.
    You have valid points though. He is NOT like Sendek in all the ways you mentioned. I guess it’s just the circumstances surrounding his leaving BC are eerily similar to Sendek leaving State.

  10. Mr O 12/07/2006 at 9:36 AM #

    The fan sentiments are similar, but TOB’s and Herb Sendek’s records aren’t the least bit similar. TOB was arguably the most successful coach in the history of BC’s program. Herb Sendek was one of the least successful coaches in the history of NC State’s basketball program.

  11. Cardiff Giant 12/07/2006 at 9:38 AM #

    “CG, I may be wrong but wasn’t it Robbie Caldwell and Green?
    Any-some-how, thanks for putting the “hatchet” aside for a moment if not burying it. Given our recent past exchanges, I acknowledge you for your “size of character” in your comments above.”

    I thought Godette was fired for inquiring about the Navy job. Am I wrong?

  12. Cardiff Giant 12/07/2006 at 9:39 AM #

    “Cardiff, I wasn’t talking to you! It just took me so long to write the thing that’s where it fell. I agree with you that what you said was on PacKPride was an awful thing to say and I for sure do not feel that way.”

    I am sorry I misunderstood you through the placement of the posts.

  13. statered 12/07/2006 at 9:41 AM #

    If we were going to hire the guy that is good but ultimately an also-ran we should have hired John Cooper.

  14. Cardiff Giant 12/07/2006 at 9:41 AM #

    This is what I was talking about:

    Jan. 14 — Assistant coach Cary Godette is fired by Amato after inquiring about defensive line job at the Naval Academy. Godette says, “Chuck’s ego was attacked.”

    http://www.newsobserver.com/752/story/515031.html

  15. Pack1998 12/07/2006 at 9:42 AM #

    Good hire, not flashy but I do think he gives us a shot to win ACC Championships.

  16. TNCSU 12/07/2006 at 9:43 AM #

    I possibly see 2-3 (or more) players that figure out really quick that they will be “riding the pine” if they “buck the disciplinarian.” I think that will actually be a good thing, it shows the players that it’s a team game, NOT a bunch of individuals which is what I saw with the last team.

    BTW, I’m all for the fang awards, but what’s with spelling out your initials (i.e. “T” “T”) on your helmet with the fang awards — especially when you’ve lost 5-6 straight games!! I’ve never seen it mentioned on SFN, but it just looked unclassy, individualistic and undisciplined!!!

  17. statered 12/07/2006 at 9:47 AM #

    The comparisons to Sendek have to do with the fact that when faced with a career/season/program defining game to win the guy has crawled into a shell and failed in multiple opportunities. You can blame the BC fans all you want for an endless string of tire bowls but all he had to do was beat Wake this year and it all would have changed. Or UNC last year. or Syracuse the year before.

    Isn’t it the least bit curious to some that the only time in our history we have made such a big time hire of coach at our level its this guy, a guy who could not get out of BC when he realized his clock was counting down but know one wanted him? A guy desperate to get out but was not a candidate ANYWHERE other than here?

    Does it occur to anyone that perhaps these other places know something that we do not?

    This is a wuss hire by Fowler, the equivalent to putting your retirement in an annuity.

  18. Par Shooter 12/07/2006 at 9:47 AM #

    And for the record, Robbie Caldwell never coached under Chuck. Galbraith was the OL coach on his original staff.

  19. Cardiff Giant 12/07/2006 at 9:47 AM #

    “but what’s with spelling out your initials (i.e. “T” “T”) on your helmet with the fang awards”

    I did not see that. I am happy that I did not.

  20. Lock 12/07/2006 at 9:49 AM #

    I felt good about the basketball hire.

    I worry about this one.

    This seemingly came out of left field, and there’s just something about hiring a coach who 1) feeds off the weaklings and 2) got beat by Amato.

    I don’t like the arguments that ‘we’ll at least be competitive and that’s enough amirite?’ We got rid of a basketball coach for that very reason, please don’t use it to support a football coach.

    Regardless, what’s done is done, and perhaps I worry for naught. Bring on the wins, and get me to a BCS bowl! I’ll be rooting for you, TOB!

  21. partialqualifier 12/07/2006 at 9:49 AM #

    I asked my brother a question last night that I will put to you guys. Since 1992 rate the coaches that have coached in the ACC. Where does O’Brien fit? My opinion? Ok:

    1-Bobby Bowden
    2-Mack Brown
    3(tie)-Frank Beamer
    3(tie)-Tom O’Brien

    The way I see it is we just hired one of the best coaches in the ACC over the last 15 years! That aint bad!

    The reason for listing Beamer and O’Brien as a tie is that while I believe ultimately that O’Brien is a better coach, Beamer has won a little bit more. My argument against Beamer here is that he has won only slightly more, and he has been able to recruit every thug on earth to play there.

    As for those of you who complain about not winning the big game….did you see the the Va Tech vs. BC game this year? BC thumped the Hokies on National TV. During that game I heard Kirk Herbstreet make the comment that due to academic restrictions most of the Top 100 football players in the country arent even an option for BC. NC State doesnt have those kinds of restrictions.

  22. Cardiff Giant 12/07/2006 at 9:50 AM #

    “a guy who could not get out of BC when he realized his clock was counting down but know one wanted him? A guy desperate to get out but was not a candidate ANYWHERE other than here?”

    I think I need to make a call for facts, here.

    What evidence exists that TOB’s clock was running down as you say? I am not claiming you are wrong. I have just never heard such.

    Likewise, what is the source of “desperate to get out”? I had not heard of him making a play for other coaching jobs before. Can you expand on your comment?

  23. TNCSU 12/07/2006 at 9:50 AM #

    CG, Check out Tank Tyler’s helmet (and several others) if you can find a copy of the last couple of games. It did not bode well in my view, either.

  24. statered 12/07/2006 at 9:51 AM #

    And another thing – no negative comments from any of you guys when we ultimately play the most pathetic OOC schedule you have ever seen. That was part of the package with this guy.

  25. c6by66 12/07/2006 at 9:51 AM #

    DID ANY OF YOU FOLKS LISTEN TO THE POST GAME AFTER THE NCSU-BC GAME?????????????????

    Tom O’Brien was asked about NOT kicking the field goal…His comment…My kicker had missed all night (I was there, but can not remember HOW many he missed)….why should I think he would hit this one….we had a good offense…therefore the decision to go for it…

    Now, remember the SECOND most Thrilling WP FB Game…according to the Fans…It was Shane Montgomery’s HAIL MARY pass on a PENALTY play (time had expired, but you can NOT end the game on a penalty…therefore the Pack got ONE more shot) and we won the “Textile” bowl against Clemson. I listened to the game on the radio with my son while doing some chores in the basement…I STILL remember the events….LISTEN CLOSELY…the 2006 NCSU-BC game qualifies for the top 5…

    Tom O’Brien is a great hire. PJ would been a great hire…I am not savvy enough to sort out the subtle differences…just glad we have a proven coach…

    WELCOME TOM O’BRIEN…I’ll be there at CF next year, as always, for you..

    NOW….we need to get down on our knees and say a silent prayer and give thanks to the V God for helping us out again…I can NOT believe how lucky we were THIS time NOT to make us a LAUGHING STOCK…

    FUF (aka IKB) SAVED us the ridicule of the AD looking like the bumbling Jethro Clampett that he is….We can ONLY hope that the ADMIN really understand that LF has proven the Peter Principle in SPADES….(actually the Peter Principle was based on the person having SOME managerial talent to begin with…)

    Therefore, we need to continue the MOVEMENT…as one fellow blogger suggested, we need to get V’s NAME on the court and get some Statues (busts) of Sloan and Case in the RBC….They all contributed to our past…LOWE (despite the loss last night) is bringing back the BB enthusiasm….Those guys that had the scored tied at the half and played a FULL 40 minutes have GUTS and SPIRIT…WE NEED TO KEEP SUPPORTING THEM…

    FOLKS…we lucked OUT…TWICE….

    If UNX had NOT signed the flashy and sexy (figuratively speaking) Butch Davis, then there would NOT have been all these metaphors about Eva and Terry and Edith in the posts….May I remind some of the bloggers (both male and female) of a wise old adage…You do NOT fornicate a face….in other words, Edith may know tricks to please her lover that Eva and Terry may never learn…

    It’s been a long search…our brains are a little tired…the metaphors are really stretching it (mine included)…we also need to find James in Willow Springs (DG Blogger) and get him some counseling…If he had written his comments about torching the White House like he did about torching FUF’s house, the Secret Service would be all over Willow Springs this morning and anyone with James in their name would be headed for GITZMO…

    GO PACK>>>CHASE IS OVER>>>>GO SIDNEY AND THE TEAM…

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