Mandel: NC State is ‘That Kind of Place’

Just your average, Wolfpack-promoting entry here.

This one is brought on by CNNSI’s College Football writer, Stewart Mandel. Mandel runs a ‘mailbag’ column every now and then and this week he was asked the following by Mike E. in Ringwood, N.J.:

It strikes me as curious: Why would Tom O’Brien leave BC for an intradivision N.C. State team in what seems to be at best a lateral move?

Mandel’s reply to Mike’s question struck me as a nice synopsis of some of TOB’s compliments of NC State’s fans and facilities (built by the fans).

Now, you might say to yourself, is N.C. State really that kind of place? In my experience … yes. Say what you want about Chuck Amato’s coaching abilities, the one thing he did well was galvanize that community and turn what was traditionally considered a basketball school into a place with a legitimate football atmosphere. At his introductory press conference, O’Brien specifically mentioned how impressed he was with the enthusiasm when his team played there on Sept. 23. Look at it this way: The Wolfpack averaged nearly 20,000 more fans per game (56,540) during a 3-9 season this year than BC did at 9-3 (38,843).

Thanks for the props, Stewart!

Don’t you find it ironic that the very fan base that is consistently castigated by our own Athletics Director is the reason that Lee Fowler is receiving praise from many for making such a great hire of TOB?

Tom O’Brien didn’t stand up at the press conference raving about NC State’s athletics administration and how he just had to come work for Lee Fowler. TOB stood there and complimented NC State’s amazing support of its programs by its fans; the very fans consistently crticized by Uncle Jed. So much for the idea that no coach would ever want to coach for a fan base that wants to win a little more and is so supportive, eh?

Think about it this for a moment – NC State’s FANS just succeeded in luring a great coach to Raleigh, effectually doing the remaining part of Lee Fowler’s job that Chuck Neinas wasn’t doing.

Relatedly, the Boston Globe ran an interesting piece on Boston College football fans titled, BC Left Feeling Empty:

Before he left for North Carolina State, coach Tom O’Brien privately expressed his frustration over the fact that BC, for all its accomplishments on the field in its first two years in the ACC, could not seem to make any headway with the bowls.

When O’Brien was introduced as North Carolina State’s new coach earlier this month at a Wolfpack basketball game, one fan called out, “Don’t worry, coach, we’ll travel.”

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23 Responses to Mandel: NC State is ‘That Kind of Place’

  1. choppack1 12/28/2006 at 12:45 PM #

    Yep – it’s more than a bit ironic that many in the media have missed that a huge reason why O’Brien left BC for Raleigh was fan support – especially when we’ve been accused of being too tough on coaches. I think TOB understands that if he does at NC State what he did at BC, that instead of trips to Idaho, there’ll be trips to Atlanta, Jax, Orlando or Charlotte. I think he also understands that if he heads into a big contest at 5-1, the environment will be electric, especially if that game is at night.

  2. BoKnowsNCS71 12/28/2006 at 1:11 PM #

    Agree. We love and support our Pack. Give us something to yell about and the opposition won’t be able to hear a thing. Have consistent, competitive, good years (like Holtz, Rein, and Sheridan) and we will be there in Red.

  3. legacyman 12/28/2006 at 1:24 PM #

    If you attend only during good years then you aren’t much of a supporter. We need to be in Carter Finley regardless of the team’s record. I am happy to say that we are doing that in large numbers and it is appreciated even by the opposition…see TOB’s comments concerning the game in Raleigh this year.

    As far as TOB erasing all of the problems we have with discipline and penalties, I believe there will be little change…his teams average one less penalty per game that we did so that is a wash.

    What TOB will be able to do, if he forms a cohesive staff rapidly, is to get more recognition and local support than he did in Boston. He will also get to retire here for he is 58 and he signed a seven year contract. If he is very successful and wants to coach past 65 ala Paterno and Bowden then I will bet he gets the chance.

  4. tvp 12/28/2006 at 1:29 PM #

    I’m still waiting for the deluge of media columns lambasting the evil BC fans who “ran off a great coach and a great man.” You know, like we got for months with Herb. I’m sure those will be appearing any day now.

  5. redfred2 12/28/2006 at 2:27 PM #

    Can it be fulfilling to win in a place where a majority doesn’t particularly care? At 57, TOB apparently likes the challenge and has the b*lls and drive to want to make it happen at a place where he’ll be absolutely appreciated for his efforts. I have to admit that I was totally ignorant of the facts and not too thrilled at first, but this guy knows how to win. He walked into a stadium in Raleigh and immediately felt all that Amato had created, and wished he had similar backing for himself. Then HE went after it. Maybe he’s smart enough to realize that most coaches need a great venue, along with the great backing of a “lunatic” fan base, to help to get them over the top. I’d ask any one of the coaches at any top ten FB, BB, or whatever, programs if they think they’re fans take losing lightly, or if they would even want them to anyway.

    Not winning + full blown enthusiasm for an athletics program= Lunatics
    (That’s what it A.D.’s up to in SOME people’s minds anyway)

    while

    Winning + full blown enthusiasm for an athletics program= Great and loyal fans!!! (in any sport)

    You watch, it’s what they do best, when TOB turns this thing around the media will be all over words like, “patience, loyalty, and deserving,” and then overnight, they’ll transform this brow beaten bunch of NC State fans into something to be totally admired.

  6. Gene 12/28/2006 at 2:33 PM #

    Why would the media lambast BC? They want to win National Titles. Forget the fact they’re a small private school (student body about the same size as Duke’s), in a pro-sports town, where there are many other more prominent universities (though not in sports) – Harvard, MIT, Tufts, etc., without a strong in-state high school football recruiting base, and mediocre, at best, facilities, and have never won a National Title before and just got good enough to get invited to join a major conference in the 1980’s, their fans are not “lunatics”. What fanbase can be criticized for wanting to be the best…oh wait…nevermind…O’Brien was just their all-time winningest coach…guess the BC fans should be ripped, but I guess they don’t warrant that much attention from their own local media…sad really, in a way…

  7. Gene 12/28/2006 at 2:34 PM #

    but I guess they don’t warrant that much attention from their own local media…sad really, in a way…

    *correction*
    but I guess they don’t warrant that much attention from their own local media, so why should the national media care…sad really, in a way…

  8. BoKnowsNCS71 12/28/2006 at 2:45 PM #

    Legacyman — the WP faithful is usually in the stands regardless of the team record. Most of the stadium seats are sold out with LTR and student seating is crammed tight.

    Also, we don’t have to pay for ads in the N&O trying to sell seats (same on the radio) a la UNX.

    But our fans are louder when our team is competitive (win or lose). There is no sound better than the roar of the wolfpack faithful screaming their heads off. There is no sound worse then when the crowd is taken out of the game by poor play and performance like we’ve seen this past year.

  9. BobLee 12/28/2006 at 2:58 PM #

    OK … I’m on record as a BIG supporter of “Semper Fi” and what a super positive step his hiring is for NCSU … no ifs, ands, buts … brings all the right qualities that the NCSU FB program needs now. He WILL be a winner here.

    C-F will definitely rock longer and louder than Flutie Field (or whatever its called) ever could. ….. but TO’B better recheck that assumption that he won’t “share this market”. Unless he’s talking a “market” bordered by Two Guys Pizza on one side and Amedeo’s on the other side.

    This is most definitely a multi-metro market with every media form. Alls he’s gotta do is check the top ten threads of any NCSU fan site any day, any time … “That d*mn N&O” is always front and center as perceived Wolf Enemy #1 … with local TV and talk radio right behind. There is no “Raleigh specific media”

    Every cul-de-sac in every subdivision in every community within 50 miles of the interesection of I-40 and Miami Blvd (except some actually in Chapel Hill) will be flying RED and BLUE flags on Fall Saturdays.

    If TO’B wants 100% “home cooking” he should go to Clemson or Columbia or Blacksburg or Charlottesville. Every time he goes to a Mall, restaurant, drug store, grocery, bank, or filling station he’s gonna see as much lt blue as Wolfpack red … it’s just the way it is and, with “Butch on board” it ain’t likely that the Tar Heel bandwagon is going to have many bailouts for the near future.

    It’s gonna be fun … but The Triangle does not have “a home town team”

    BLS

  10. Pack Laddie 12/28/2006 at 3:35 PM #

    “Also, we don’t have to pay for ads in the N&O trying to sell seats ”

    just to be accurate, there have been a couple of full page ads, very recently, in the N & O, advertising single game tickets, mini packs, etc. for this basketball season.

  11. BoKnowsNCS71 12/28/2006 at 3:57 PM #

    True — but staying on the subject — I was talking about CF and football.

    We should be able to sell out the RBC but we are not. Perhaps the BB shortcoming results from the lackluster product on the floor in recent years. But so as not to make SFN mad by starting a rant on (he who shall not be named). I will refrain and urge all to stay on topic — football.

  12. choppack1 12/28/2006 at 4:05 PM #

    “TO’B better recheck that assumption that he won’t “share this market”.”

    I don’t think that’s what he believes. It’s not about sharing the limelight, but actually having one or being part of it. The sad fact is that TOB could win the Atlantic Division, and there’d be scant notice.

    I was in Boston for the BC-State game last year. It was a night game, we were coming off the FSU victory, and it was also a big game for BC. We arrived in the city early afternoon. There was NO, I repeat, NO visible evidence that there was a football game that evening. No flags on cars, no maroon and gold BC t-shirts, 0, zilch, nada.

    We finally ran into some folks who expressed interest in our upcoming game at Cheers/Bull Finch Pub. I started talking to one of them about the game and how we were looking forward to it. He wasn’t going to the game mind you – bu his impression was similar to mine upon happening upon a bar where folks where getting up for the Real Madrid-Bayer-Munich soccer game in Madrid – “Wow, these folks are having a lot of fun and are really looking forward to this event. There must be something to it.”

    I’ll put it another way – the State-FSU game is a bigger deal in JACKSONVILLE than the State-BC game was in Boston. Even in the seemingly nuetral/non-male dominated shopping malls of Southpoint and Crabtree, you’ll see plenty of patrons walking around in State red several hours before or after the game begins/ends.

    I don’t think TOBs expecting to come to a town united by the Wolfpack. I do think he’s expecting a town and area where his team’s performance is relevant.

  13. old13 12/28/2006 at 4:17 PM #

    Uh . . . hem . . . Foulup STILL needs to be gone IMMEDIATELY!!

  14. BoKnowsNCS71 12/28/2006 at 4:20 PM #

    True. The Pack need to eliminate penalties, errors, and Fowlers.

  15. highstick 12/28/2006 at 5:04 PM #

    Old13….

    Never, Never Give Up~~~~ Until he’s gone!

  16. choppack1 12/28/2006 at 5:06 PM #

    BoKnows – I think the past 16 years plays into it a lot, but I also think that a) football has taken more of our disposable $$ and sports-allowable time b) we were picked to finish dead last in the conference and people are expecting a rebuilding year and c) we’v stubbed our toes the last couple of games. So, this is a witches brew for attendance….Oh yeah, forgot to add, the RBC sucks for watching b’ball.

  17. old13 12/28/2006 at 6:41 PM #

    And furthermore, Foulup is nowhere near being a big time AD – he’s small potatoes in the world of ADs. We need a big time AD!

    And thanks to my supporters!

  18. Cardiac95 12/28/2006 at 9:43 PM #

    Just got through watching the ECU basketball game on “The U” & ONCE AGAIN, the announcers took multiple shots at our fans for having such unrealistic expectations & how much of a bum deal Sendek had while he was here.

    Thanks Jed for empowering that kind of “free press”.

  19. class of 74 12/28/2006 at 10:48 PM #

    BoKnowsNCS71:
    Isn’t Fowler a penalty and an error?

  20. BoKnowsNCS71 12/29/2006 at 8:28 AM #

    He should be a turnover.

  21. redfred2 12/29/2006 at 1:54 PM #

    BobLee:

    Pretty much everything you said in that last post is true. But we all know that the fan percentages are skewed much further than they ever have been at any point in history, and by a long shot. The skewing of those percentages didn’t happen overnight, it wasn’t caused by any single coach or administrator, but it has been allowed to build this far because of a total lack of foresight and fortitude.

    Some will argue, but I’d say it’s sheer luck that the right coaching personnel have basically dropped from the skys into their laps in Raleigh. Whether they are smart enough to realize it or not, and whether they start performing their own jobs at levels that will be complimentary to these new coaches is the only question now. I’m sorry to say that even with all of their good fortune in having these new coaches basically offering their services to the university, and from all of the never ending complacency shown in the past, that the duo of Fowler/Oblinger have probably already hit the auto-pilot button once again. I do not think that either of these coaches will reach anywhere close their full potential without drastic changes occurring higher up.

    The facilities and the coaches are in place, that is a done deal. Everything is in order and it’s now time for a lifeless group of NCSU administrators to wake up, move forward in a new direction, and prove that they will no longer perpetuate bad policy. It’s their time to show that they have what it takes to correct the absolutely unnecessary mistakes that where set in motion by the others before them.

    If anyone is listening, this is a direct challenge to stop with all of the self-serving excuses and start implementing POSITIVE policy from your own high positions of authority. It’s either that, or continue on same as before and in a few years you’ll be left holding the bag once again because you just sat watching as it all blew up in your faces, just as it has recently done under your command, in both sports.

  22. Packaholic1 12/30/2006 at 7:23 AM #

    Maybe he should have read Norm Sloan’s autobiography before choosing, if he thinks the media here is on the bandwagon. The main reason Sloan left for Florida was the overshadowing of State by the tarholes in the media, public funding and support. Some things have changed in the 25 years since, but media support for the holes remains overwhelming.

  23. gumbydammit 01/01/2007 at 9:26 AM #

    Mandel is still a tool.

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