Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

Lots of things to run down in today’s coaching update. As with all of our updates, we think it best if you start by refreshing yourself with our preceeding entries on the topic.

* Paul Johnson was interviewed yesterday and his candidacy is being discussed by ESPN today. Johnson must have reason to believe that he is #2 on the list behind Cowher because his agent previously commented that he would only speak to schools where he would be #1 or #2 on their list. We wonder if that would remain true if Alabama calls him sixth?

* In addition to the Bill Cowher-play last week, the primary reason that so little news regarding the search has surfaced to this point is because the search is just now getting started. This information is very frustrating, but is consistent with The Sporting News’ report last week that NC State/Lee Fowler “wasn’t prepared to can Amato, which means the search has gotten off to a scrambling start.”

* We find the slow start to the search particularly sickening in light of the fact that Lee Fowler spent significant time giving media interviews last week to multiple outlets. We commented on a few of Fowler’s interviews on SFN and were surprised at how he was choosing to spend his time at the beginning stages of the search.

* Evidently, “Coach Fowler” has failed to impress A LOT of high ranking Wolfpackers (again) with his lack of preparation and sense of urgency regarding the search. Key calls go unreturned. Progress is slow. The search is just starting to move despite what some people try to say. At least more people are starting to talk about Uncle Jed’s shortcomings. It seems that some have finally awoken to Fowler’s preference to put the department on autopilot, collect his precious paycheck, and not be bothered with a whole lot of work.

* During the basketball search, Fowler’s penchant for spending time at his Lake Gaston house didn’t sit well with a lot of people. Neither did the fact that he didn’t understand that it was a bad thing that he lost 25 pounds in a month because he wasn’t mentally fit to deal with the common stress of executing a common component of any Athletics Director’s job.

* There is a small committee of only two individuals aiding Lee Fowler in the search for NC State’s next coach. We will not share the names and request that others do not as well. We are disappointed that Fowler’s ‘team’ would be so limited in scope and wish that he would have considered the addition of one or two other folks. SFN’s opinion of the two-man committee mixed – one of the members is a FANTASTIC CHOICE of whom we have a very high opinion; the other member does little to impress.

* One member of WolfpackNation that SHOULD have been selected to help with the search but was omitted is Dr. Jerry Punch. Is there ANY Wolfpacker out there with more connections and a more intimate contact inside of college football than Dr. Punch? Of course not. The connections and the observations/opinions that Dr. Punch could have added to the search would have been invaluable.

* Not much mention of ‘consultants’ and ‘head hunters’ right now.

* Dave Glenn has a coaching update on his blog that focuses on Paul Johnson and Jimbo Fisher. Not much update there other than they seem to be the first two candidates getting official interviews. Just because these gentlemen have their interviews scheduled first does not mean that they are necessarily ‘leading candidates’.

* Fisher has the strong support of some Wolfpackers for whom we have tremendous respect and therefore enhances the attractiveness of his candidacy in our eyes. Deeper digging into college football circles support these conclusions.

* Dave Glenn reported when the Carolina job was open that Jimbo Fisher and Bo Pelini presented themselves as a package deal to the Tarheel brass. We are starting to hear some chatter that may be the case with the Wolfpack as well. With Pelini on board, the potential strength of a Fisher-led staff in Raleigh could be incredible and would be hard to ignore.

Sixth-year LSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher and first-year defensive coordinator Bo Pelini have been recognized by Rivals.com as two of the nation’s top five coordinators on both sides of the ball. Pelini, who joined the Tigers after a stint at Oklahoma, is ranked as the nation’s second-best defensive coordinator by Rivals.com, while Fisher is listed as the fourth-best offensive coordinator. Other defensive coaches on the list include Bud Foster (Virginia Tech), Gene Chizik (Texas), Mickey Andrews (Florida State), Reggie Herring (Arkansas) and Tom Bradley (Penn State). Other offensive coordinators in the Rivals.com top five include Terry Malone (Michigan), Chris Peterson (Boise State), Norries Wilson (Connecticut) and Paul Petrino (Louisville).

* By contrast, Johnson’s staff at Navy is underwhelming (to say the least). He would have to upgrade at NC State to help mitigate a lot of the potential risks if State were to hire him.

* The Tennessean is reporting that NC State has contacted Norm Chow but has not yet arranged an interview. We love Norm Chow as a coordinator, but there is a reason that he has never been a college head coach. We hope that Chow gets the Stanford job, but some people’s whose opinion that we value would not touch Chow with a ten foot pole for the Head job at State.

* Another parallel to the basketball search is Lee Fowler‘s deep desire to insulate himself from as much risk as possible associated with the hire. In basketball, Fowler was hellbent to hire a ‘name that will make a splash’ as opposed to necessarily finding the best fit available. While Fowler was trying to hire Lon Kruger, John Beilein, and Steve Lavin he should have been prepared to pursue a different set of names that were better fits. In fact, many at NC State were pushing current coach Sidney Lowe as soon as John Calipari was off the board about nine days into the month-long search, but Fowler was steadfastly against the idea until so many names had (thankfully) run their course.

* This time around, Fowler seems hellbent on hiring someone with head coaching experience at the expense of potentially pursuing other options. This would create a crutch for him to forever use if the hire is a bust. Fans, facilities and other factors should be ready to be blamed if this kind of coach is unsuscessful in Raleigh because ‘obviously’ the coach CAN succeed based on the success of their last job.

* Chancellor Oblinger’s comments in a recent interview support this presumption:

“What am I looking for in a football coach? I am looking for integrity,” Oblinger said. “I’m looking for commitment to the student-athlete. I’m looking for commitment to graduation rates and … I’m looking for a proven record of performance.”

* Although we would prefer a coach with previous head coaching exeperience, it would not be a mandatory prerequisite if we were making the selection. People tend to forget that NO COACH starts as a head coach and EVERY great coach today was an assistant before they get a head job. Someone recognized these assistant’s abilities and potential and had to make the astute decision to elevate the coach to a head job.

* The following is quick list of current coaches are in their FIRST job as a college head coach after being elevated by an Athletics Director who knew what the hell they were doing:

Bob Stoops (assistant at Floriday), Mark Richt (assistant at Florida State), Bobby Petrino (assistant at Auburn), Kirk Ferentz (Iowa), Lloyd Carr (Michigan), Tom O’Brien (assistant at UVA), Jeff Tedford (assistant at Oregon), Greg Schiano (assistant at Miami), Mike Leach (assistant at Oklahoma) Bret Bielema (assistant at Wisconsin), Joe Paterno, Charlie Weiss, Bill Callahan and Pete Carroll. Even Carolina’s new coach, Butch Davis was the offensive coordinator at Miami before becoming such a (supposedly) great coach at “The U”.

* We have heard that Chancellor Oblinger is in Europe this week on a pre-scheduled vacation. Therefore, we would be very surprised if anything really broke until he returned. No further comment on this from us.

* WRAL-TV ran a story yesterday mentioning Arkansas coach, Houston Nutt. We truly believe that there has been some kind of interest passed along by Nutt through some channel. In addition to Reggie Herring’s presence in Fayetteville, don’t forget that Joe Pate coached at Arkansas and still has lots of ties down there.

* Arkansas’ fans dislike of Nutt is the kind of example of truly dangerous and crazy fans that Lee Fowler labels NC State fans. I wonder if Frank Broyles calls them all crazy in public? Fowler would last five minutes at an SEC school. Perhaps that is why Tennessee and Georgia both passed over Fowler without much of a sniff a few years ago when he made himself a candidate for both of those jobs.

* A nice Paul Johnson read linked here.

* There is a growing likelihood that other open jobs could potentially have an impact on NC State’s search. The longer that this drags out, the higher the risk that State could get lost in the shuffle of other jobs that may open based on a potential domino effect.

* SFN told you last week that Tom O’Brien would express an interest in the job. He has. O’Brien sees the writing on the wall in a pro sports town with little fan support and facility support for his program. What he has done at Boston College deserves significant praise. O’Brien was an assistant coach at UVA prior to taking over at BC.

* Other names that have been vaguely mentioned but that we would like to see more on are: Glen Mason from Minnesota, Steve Kragthorpe from Tulsa and Skip Holtz from East Carolina. (Update: Pack Pride has a feature on Kragthorpe since we wrote this).

* Some of the names ‘floated’ by the NC State pay websites are just absurd. Just because someone comments about NC State doesn’t mean that they should be mentioned regarding the job (ala Jerry Glanville). Sometimes the need to feed the beast is greater than common sense discretion.

* Message boards suck 365 days out of the year. But, they hit their lowest point during coaching transitions at schools. Wow. We literally lose IQ points just by clicking. SFN works hard to give all folks a fair forum without sacrificing too much quality, but we aren’t immune to stupidity.

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201 Responses to Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

  1. 98st8 12/06/2006 at 10:49 AM #

    Not only no, but hell no to Tom O’Brien. I don’t want to hear his name anymore. Give me Paul Johnson. By the way, I think it was very kind of Carolina to expand their stadium so we, Clemson and Virginia Tech could bring 8,800 more fans to the game

  2. test4eko 12/06/2006 at 10:53 AM #

    ^^

    That’s 8800 more peeps who will be tailgating in Hillsborough before boarding the shuttle to get to Kenan Stadium.

  3. YankeeWolfpacker 12/06/2006 at 11:01 AM #
  4. Mike 12/06/2006 at 11:07 AM #

    I have a question – and I am not endorsing Johnson or not endorsing anyone else at this point. I dont have enough inside info to really make an educated decision.

    So here is my question – IF we ran the ball 95% of the time and went 12-0, would we/you as fans supoprt this?

    Or would you rather have a more balanced attack where we might go 8-4, 9-3 in a good year?

  5. 98st8 12/06/2006 at 11:09 AM #

    YankeeWolfpacker^^ still no access

  6. jbwbubba 12/06/2006 at 11:09 AM #

    According to update info at the Buzz Blog PJ’s stock is falling and O’Brien’s name is in the mix.

    http://www.850thebuzz.com/blog

  7. c6by66 12/06/2006 at 11:11 AM #

    For all you OLDER bloggers….Remember Monte Kiffin and his Lone Ranger Gig…

    Well if I knew how, I would insert the opening notes of the William Tell Overture (AKA – the Lone Ranger’s Theme)…then a Voice Over Announcer would say…

    Return with me to those THRILLING days of YESTERYEAR…..

    OK, WOLFPACK LADS & LADDIES….Return with me to those THRILLING DAYS of APRIL, 2006….

    Here is a link to the Baltimore Paper….

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/football/bal-sp.navyfoot06dec06,0,3990003.story?coll=bal-sports-more

    Paul Johnson is working on a CONTRACT extension with Navy…Also he had NOT been contacted by or TALKED to an NCSU official (Neinas has talked to him)…

    Does PJ remind you of RB….this is EXCITING….

    Unless PJ has empowered his AGENT to negotiate….AND unless LF (AKA FUF – IKB) is going to hire him (through his agent) without a job interview?

    GLORY…GLORY….what are Mr. Murphy’s Tail Numbers…I remember MF and 88 & 89….help me…I need to get back into Flight Aware….

    This is exciting (spelled PAINFUL) as watching the UNC Game (from the UNC stadium – which will be BIGGER…maybe then the Pack seats will be able to see a JUMBOTRON.)

    Let’s hope that PJ does NOT equal RB….

    As Robbie the Robot says….”THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE….and Dr. Smith just keeps on sliterhing about…..”

    GO PACK…SIDNEY…BEST OF LUCK TONIGHT>>>

  8. packpigskinfan23 12/06/2006 at 11:12 AM #

    Could RR’s talks with Bama be a reason why Fisher might cancel an interview with NCSU? What if Fisher knows something we dont?

    I could only PRAY that Fowler isnt SO F’ing stupid to NOT interview the guy… he DID say the job was intriguing.

  9. packpigskinfan23 12/06/2006 at 11:18 AM #

    Chows name is still out there… and as I expected very quiet.

    silence is often a sign. after all, that IS what Fowler was SUPPOSED to be going after this time around.

  10. Dan 12/06/2006 at 11:27 AM #

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051222/news_1s22poinsett.html

    Good read on what the triple option is. A more reasons for me to believe that it would never work if the ends or Manny Lawson and Mario Williams. Although, in fairness, what did work against them?

    Seriously though. Speed on defense will counter any edge they try to get by spreading out the backs. If he’s smart, he’ll have to pull an Urban and morph right back into a pro-style split back set. This will not work against FSU, Clemson, or Miami. And it will work less and less as DE’s, OLB’s, and S’s get faster and faster. Maybe it works against inexperienced players as they tend to forget assignments. I dont know though.

    The positive is that it is easily morphed into the I-formation (See the San Diego Charger’s best running game in the NFL) and the split back offense. We’ll know right away whether he can change. He’ll be forced to change it immediately. I’d be suprised if it works in practice.

  11. jbwbubba 12/06/2006 at 11:27 AM #

    packpigskinfan23,

    From all the stories, we canceled the interview not Jimbo.

  12. wolpfack 12/06/2006 at 11:36 AM #

    ^Dan – saying that Meyer’s version of the spread wouldnt work in the ACC is like saying Fowl-up is a genius…it just dont make no sense. It’s working pretty well in the SEC and personally, I think the SEC defenses are a little better than those in the ACC…

    As for the coaching search in general, why does it look like Fowl-up is rumbling, stumbling, and bumbling his way through this one just like in basketball…I thought this man would have learned…then again, I guess I gave him a little too much credit…

  13. packpigskinfan23 12/06/2006 at 11:38 AM #

    mayb Fowler knows he is gonna get fired and is just F’ing it up for all of us.

  14. wolpfack 12/06/2006 at 11:38 AM #

    sorry for the double post…but…seeing as how it looks like we cancelled on Jimbo, unless we have hired God himself, there is no good reason why he shouldnt have been interviewed

  15. packpigskinfan23 12/06/2006 at 11:41 AM #

    god to us would be Cowher and no other…

    maybe Phillip is gonna win the SB this year and retire Tiki Barber style!?!?!?

    ok… I’m sorry.

    I’m in a bit of a strange mood today.

    F@%* effing F-UP Fowler!!! F’ing putz!!!

  16. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 12/06/2006 at 11:44 AM #

    For all you OLDER bloggers….Remember Monte Kiffin and his Lone Ranger Gig…

    Yes what a great time with the hires of V and Kiffin. NC State sports where fun in those days much like Lowe and bball now. I also was there (as a young kid) when Kiffin ‘parachuted’ into the baseball field. Well for those that don’t remember he said he would parachute in but in reality he came in a helicopter and had it hover about a foot off the ground and jump out in full sky diving gear. If it wasn’t for the onside kick to open the 2nd half against UNC Monte could very well still be the head coach at State today.

  17. Wolfpack4ever 12/06/2006 at 12:12 PM #

    tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc Says: “For all you OLDER bloggers….Remember Monte Kiffin and his Lone Ranger Gig…”

    Wasn’t it his first practice where he road out on a white horse? The onside kick was a disaster for him, but you gotta hand it to him. Either he or one of his coaches saw something on film that UNX was doing and had the balls to try and exploit it. Oh, well…

  18. class of 74 12/06/2006 at 12:19 PM #

    The white horse ride was homecoming week I believe and so was the boxer in the ring ordeal. He did have a sense of humor I must give him that.

  19. Wolfpack4ever 12/06/2006 at 12:23 PM #

    Cardiff Giant Says: ““When referring to the firing of Coach Amato, I wish folks would quit saying “we” fired the coach. “We” didn’t do squat…the BOT did the deed which I did not and still do not support. So if you agree with the action that’s your right but don’t imply that everyone is happy with it.”

    You are right. Only about 95% are happy with it.”

    I see it as the price he pays for not winning and it was clear that it was time for the Pack to move in another direction. So you could say that I approved (as I’ve indicated before) but to say that I was “happy” about it is not accurate. To be precise about it, I was distressed about Chuck failing to win snd his resulting getting fired, as much other good as he did NCSU’s football program. In this context I’d say that your 95% might be just a little high. Of course you haven’t been wrong about anything else so you are probably right about this.

    Is this enough vomit for you? 😉

  20. Dan 12/06/2006 at 12:26 PM #

    “Dan – saying that Meyer’s version of the spread wouldnt work in the ACC is like saying Fowl-up is a genius”

    Meyer’s spread went through drastic changes during year one.

    After a very lackluster performance against a horrible UT team, UF followed it with 3-31 pounding at the hands of Alabama. That Alabama game was the death of the Utah offense. They got destroyed without turning the ball over once. The rest of the season was a ongoing tweaking of the offense that is still being tweaked today. The only reason why 2005 wasnt worse was due to Florida’s horrible out of conference schedule that included Wyoming, Lousiana Tech, and a down FSU team. Not to mention that Tennessee and Georgia, whom Florida barely beat, had horrible years. Epicly bad. Florida also didnt have one decent win on the road. Their only road win was at Kentucky.

    Now credit the changes Urban had made. Urban has earned his praise by being able to change. And maybe he can go back to Utah spread as he gets his guys. But it was well documented last year that the old Utah offense would NEVER work against the bigger and faster SEC defenses.

    Here’s a quote from a Navy player on the their offense:

    “”Sometimes if guys are bigger than us or faster than us, it kind of neutralizes things.”

    Gee, that’s the same thing that happened at UF. Not to mention West Virginia. Its not that hard to beat the majority of the Big East teams. I’m not sure there is one quality defense in the entire league.

  21. waxhaw 12/06/2006 at 1:14 PM #

    If PJ was bringing all of his players with him too then I’d be concerned about size/speed neutralizing the offense.

    My only real question with PJ is recruiting. I personally feel that this can be addressed with several stud assistant coaches. (which is why it’s important not to break the bank paying for PJ)

  22. BladenWolf 12/06/2006 at 2:33 PM #

    I just want to stroke the guys at SFN once again and say that this post is excellent and very thoguhtfully put together.

    I know of no other outlet where you can get this type of timely content that has this much quality information.

    Thanks to SFN again for the initial update and to all who provided informative and thought provoking posts.

  23. Barnette2Holt 12/06/2006 at 3:33 PM #

    Experienced head coach with a good resume. I think PJ is the man to go for. He may not be the household name, but he has the goods. His Georgia Southern teams were awesome. They nearly beat Georgia on a couple occasions. He’s got 8-win seasons at Navy. He knows the passing game from Hawaii. He is from NC, and his family lives here. Let’s get him inked up before Alabama or Miami make the move.

  24. Pack84 12/07/2006 at 10:23 AM #

    Given the fact the Philip Rivers knew about TOB taking the job on Tuesday morning, one must conclude HE was part of the “search committee”

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