Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

Lots of things to run down in today’s coaching update. As with all of our updates, we think it best if you start by refreshing yourself with our preceeding entries on the topic.

* Paul Johnson was interviewed yesterday and his candidacy is being discussed by ESPN today. Johnson must have reason to believe that he is #2 on the list behind Cowher because his agent previously commented that he would only speak to schools where he would be #1 or #2 on their list. We wonder if that would remain true if Alabama calls him sixth?

* In addition to the Bill Cowher-play last week, the primary reason that so little news regarding the search has surfaced to this point is because the search is just now getting started. This information is very frustrating, but is consistent with The Sporting News’ report last week that NC State/Lee Fowler “wasn’t prepared to can Amato, which means the search has gotten off to a scrambling start.”

* We find the slow start to the search particularly sickening in light of the fact that Lee Fowler spent significant time giving media interviews last week to multiple outlets. We commented on a few of Fowler’s interviews on SFN and were surprised at how he was choosing to spend his time at the beginning stages of the search.

* Evidently, “Coach Fowler” has failed to impress A LOT of high ranking Wolfpackers (again) with his lack of preparation and sense of urgency regarding the search. Key calls go unreturned. Progress is slow. The search is just starting to move despite what some people try to say. At least more people are starting to talk about Uncle Jed’s shortcomings. It seems that some have finally awoken to Fowler’s preference to put the department on autopilot, collect his precious paycheck, and not be bothered with a whole lot of work.

* During the basketball search, Fowler’s penchant for spending time at his Lake Gaston house didn’t sit well with a lot of people. Neither did the fact that he didn’t understand that it was a bad thing that he lost 25 pounds in a month because he wasn’t mentally fit to deal with the common stress of executing a common component of any Athletics Director’s job.

* There is a small committee of only two individuals aiding Lee Fowler in the search for NC State’s next coach. We will not share the names and request that others do not as well. We are disappointed that Fowler’s ‘team’ would be so limited in scope and wish that he would have considered the addition of one or two other folks. SFN’s opinion of the two-man committee mixed – one of the members is a FANTASTIC CHOICE of whom we have a very high opinion; the other member does little to impress.

* One member of WolfpackNation that SHOULD have been selected to help with the search but was omitted is Dr. Jerry Punch. Is there ANY Wolfpacker out there with more connections and a more intimate contact inside of college football than Dr. Punch? Of course not. The connections and the observations/opinions that Dr. Punch could have added to the search would have been invaluable.

* Not much mention of ‘consultants’ and ‘head hunters’ right now.

* Dave Glenn has a coaching update on his blog that focuses on Paul Johnson and Jimbo Fisher. Not much update there other than they seem to be the first two candidates getting official interviews. Just because these gentlemen have their interviews scheduled first does not mean that they are necessarily ‘leading candidates’.

* Fisher has the strong support of some Wolfpackers for whom we have tremendous respect and therefore enhances the attractiveness of his candidacy in our eyes. Deeper digging into college football circles support these conclusions.

* Dave Glenn reported when the Carolina job was open that Jimbo Fisher and Bo Pelini presented themselves as a package deal to the Tarheel brass. We are starting to hear some chatter that may be the case with the Wolfpack as well. With Pelini on board, the potential strength of a Fisher-led staff in Raleigh could be incredible and would be hard to ignore.

Sixth-year LSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher and first-year defensive coordinator Bo Pelini have been recognized by Rivals.com as two of the nation’s top five coordinators on both sides of the ball. Pelini, who joined the Tigers after a stint at Oklahoma, is ranked as the nation’s second-best defensive coordinator by Rivals.com, while Fisher is listed as the fourth-best offensive coordinator. Other defensive coaches on the list include Bud Foster (Virginia Tech), Gene Chizik (Texas), Mickey Andrews (Florida State), Reggie Herring (Arkansas) and Tom Bradley (Penn State). Other offensive coordinators in the Rivals.com top five include Terry Malone (Michigan), Chris Peterson (Boise State), Norries Wilson (Connecticut) and Paul Petrino (Louisville).

* By contrast, Johnson’s staff at Navy is underwhelming (to say the least). He would have to upgrade at NC State to help mitigate a lot of the potential risks if State were to hire him.

* The Tennessean is reporting that NC State has contacted Norm Chow but has not yet arranged an interview. We love Norm Chow as a coordinator, but there is a reason that he has never been a college head coach. We hope that Chow gets the Stanford job, but some people’s whose opinion that we value would not touch Chow with a ten foot pole for the Head job at State.

* Another parallel to the basketball search is Lee Fowler‘s deep desire to insulate himself from as much risk as possible associated with the hire. In basketball, Fowler was hellbent to hire a ‘name that will make a splash’ as opposed to necessarily finding the best fit available. While Fowler was trying to hire Lon Kruger, John Beilein, and Steve Lavin he should have been prepared to pursue a different set of names that were better fits. In fact, many at NC State were pushing current coach Sidney Lowe as soon as John Calipari was off the board about nine days into the month-long search, but Fowler was steadfastly against the idea until so many names had (thankfully) run their course.

* This time around, Fowler seems hellbent on hiring someone with head coaching experience at the expense of potentially pursuing other options. This would create a crutch for him to forever use if the hire is a bust. Fans, facilities and other factors should be ready to be blamed if this kind of coach is unsuscessful in Raleigh because ‘obviously’ the coach CAN succeed based on the success of their last job.

* Chancellor Oblinger’s comments in a recent interview support this presumption:

“What am I looking for in a football coach? I am looking for integrity,” Oblinger said. “I’m looking for commitment to the student-athlete. I’m looking for commitment to graduation rates and … I’m looking for a proven record of performance.”

* Although we would prefer a coach with previous head coaching exeperience, it would not be a mandatory prerequisite if we were making the selection. People tend to forget that NO COACH starts as a head coach and EVERY great coach today was an assistant before they get a head job. Someone recognized these assistant’s abilities and potential and had to make the astute decision to elevate the coach to a head job.

* The following is quick list of current coaches are in their FIRST job as a college head coach after being elevated by an Athletics Director who knew what the hell they were doing:

Bob Stoops (assistant at Floriday), Mark Richt (assistant at Florida State), Bobby Petrino (assistant at Auburn), Kirk Ferentz (Iowa), Lloyd Carr (Michigan), Tom O’Brien (assistant at UVA), Jeff Tedford (assistant at Oregon), Greg Schiano (assistant at Miami), Mike Leach (assistant at Oklahoma) Bret Bielema (assistant at Wisconsin), Joe Paterno, Charlie Weiss, Bill Callahan and Pete Carroll. Even Carolina’s new coach, Butch Davis was the offensive coordinator at Miami before becoming such a (supposedly) great coach at “The U”.

* We have heard that Chancellor Oblinger is in Europe this week on a pre-scheduled vacation. Therefore, we would be very surprised if anything really broke until he returned. No further comment on this from us.

* WRAL-TV ran a story yesterday mentioning Arkansas coach, Houston Nutt. We truly believe that there has been some kind of interest passed along by Nutt through some channel. In addition to Reggie Herring’s presence in Fayetteville, don’t forget that Joe Pate coached at Arkansas and still has lots of ties down there.

* Arkansas’ fans dislike of Nutt is the kind of example of truly dangerous and crazy fans that Lee Fowler labels NC State fans. I wonder if Frank Broyles calls them all crazy in public? Fowler would last five minutes at an SEC school. Perhaps that is why Tennessee and Georgia both passed over Fowler without much of a sniff a few years ago when he made himself a candidate for both of those jobs.

* A nice Paul Johnson read linked here.

* There is a growing likelihood that other open jobs could potentially have an impact on NC State’s search. The longer that this drags out, the higher the risk that State could get lost in the shuffle of other jobs that may open based on a potential domino effect.

* SFN told you last week that Tom O’Brien would express an interest in the job. He has. O’Brien sees the writing on the wall in a pro sports town with little fan support and facility support for his program. What he has done at Boston College deserves significant praise. O’Brien was an assistant coach at UVA prior to taking over at BC.

* Other names that have been vaguely mentioned but that we would like to see more on are: Glen Mason from Minnesota, Steve Kragthorpe from Tulsa and Skip Holtz from East Carolina. (Update: Pack Pride has a feature on Kragthorpe since we wrote this).

* Some of the names ‘floated’ by the NC State pay websites are just absurd. Just because someone comments about NC State doesn’t mean that they should be mentioned regarding the job (ala Jerry Glanville). Sometimes the need to feed the beast is greater than common sense discretion.

* Message boards suck 365 days out of the year. But, they hit their lowest point during coaching transitions at schools. Wow. We literally lose IQ points just by clicking. SFN works hard to give all folks a fair forum without sacrificing too much quality, but we aren’t immune to stupidity.

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201 Responses to Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

  1. Rick 12/06/2006 at 8:36 AM #

    “Stay away from the Fowler thing. First, it is a waste of time and second the site administrators get pissed if you disagree with them and dare to question the veracity of anything they say. The civility rules established only apply to you, not them.”

    Nothing like a putz who gets on a free site and complains.

    Quit whining like a little child.

  2. ncsu81 12/06/2006 at 8:39 AM #

    I just listen to a Paul Johnson interview on WFWZ and he was ask about the NCSU job. His response ” I’m not sure where NC State is in their process”

  3. NeverGiveUp 12/06/2006 at 8:49 AM #

    If we are really canceling interviews, I’d guess we have a deal in place. Is there another reasonable explaination?

  4. vtpackfan 12/06/2006 at 8:52 AM #

    Fisher may have a deal in place with another team or a restructured LSU deal.

  5. packpigskinfan23 12/06/2006 at 8:54 AM #

    so does it seem that the interview was cancelled on our end, or Fishers end?!

    kind of disappointing, but then again if WE cancelled the interview that BETTER mean we have something lined up.

    the Johnson interview must have went really well.

    ?

  6. redfred2 12/06/2006 at 8:56 AM #

    Seems like the rules from the start were…1) Hire an experienced Head Coach only…2) Get it done quickly so as not to look like bumbling buffoons AGAIN

    At this point, if Fisher’s willing, why not at least interview him and see what he thinks he can do?

    It must be a done deal with either O’Brian or Johnson.

  7. vtpackfan 12/06/2006 at 8:56 AM #

    It is probably now a moot point, but what I have heard about Fisher is that he is a great Assist., has had some good numbers put up at LSU (except this year), and that he is a great recruiter. I have a problem with only the last one since how could anyone not be a great recruiter of in state talent representing the only flagship program in La.?

  8. packpigskinfan23 12/06/2006 at 9:07 AM #

    something tells me though that if we hire Johnson we will not only take the “Johnson” jokes… but the “Belly” ones as well.

  9. Cardiff Giant 12/06/2006 at 9:09 AM #

    “When referring to the firing of Coach Amato, I wish folks would quit saying “we” fired the coach. “We” didn’t do squat…the BOT did the deed which I did not and still do not support. So if you agree with the action that’s your right but don’t imply that everyone is happy with it.”

    You are right. Only about 95% are happy with it.

  10. redfred2 12/06/2006 at 9:11 AM #

    ^Woof

    I stumbled upon that site about a year ago and thought that little phrase was interesting too.

    I wonder if bad art has a ten year shelf life?

  11. Cardiff Giant 12/06/2006 at 9:12 AM #

    “Stay away from the Fowler thing. First, it is a waste of time and second the site administrators get pissed if you disagree with them and dare to question the veracity of anything they say. The civility rules established only apply to you, not them.”

    Again, as I wrote on the other thread, if that is the case, why are you permitted to post here, when your sole purpose – which you describe as “sport,” not very convincingly – appears to be (a) weak attempts at defending Fowler, and (b) posting whiny nonsense like this?

    Do you think before you post any of this stuff, or does it just spew, like vomit?

  12. partialqualifier 12/06/2006 at 9:22 AM #

    Hey you guys….

    if the Fisher interview was cancelled and Johnson is the hire…..without interviewing ANYONE else, then I will be beyond disgusted. It just proves what I have been saying all along. This was NEVER a national search. All we did was open our back door….look out and saw the biggest kid in the backyard….and picked him. No interviews, no nothing! As I said before, I dont care if Johnson was the choice after days of interviews and fact-finding. That would prove he was the best candidate and deserved the job. But it looks like he may get the job without anyone else even being consulted. That is a shame and typical of the “good ‘ol boy” network at NC State. I guess Wendell Murphy has found him a new fishing buddy.

    Furthermore….if this proves to be the case….I will have some tickets to sell if anyone is interested!

  13. packpigskinfan23 12/06/2006 at 9:25 AM #

    it really would be disturbing to find out that we didnt at least interview Fisher or Chow or even Logan and OBrian for that matter…

  14. GAWolf 12/06/2006 at 9:30 AM #

    Every single one of the names mentioned will put a better product on the field than what we had the last few years. While the hire might not “make a splash”, I know we’ll be better off.

    Assuming I never have to see a guy run the kick off back to our 12 only to have our guys woof in his face after tackling him, I’ll be more than happy.

  15. Cardiff Giant 12/06/2006 at 9:37 AM #

    ^ I will absolutely never forget JC Neal doing that. That was when I knew, for certain, that we had to make a change. I was completely amazed and embarrassed.

  16. NeverGiveUp 12/06/2006 at 9:40 AM #

    partial,
    let me know about the tickets.

  17. vtpackfan 12/06/2006 at 9:46 AM #

    Cutliffe’s name has since faded away. Did he ever really accomplish much more as a head coach then to get Archie to send one of his boys to Ole’ Miss? Whatever, I’m pretty firmly in the PJ party. O’Brien would be a great hire but I think the ACC gentlemans rule is a fair one and should be respected. He knows too much personal knowledge about a programs personel, so it would be unfair to the players.

  18. Dan 12/06/2006 at 9:49 AM #

    http://footballrumormill.com/Scoop.htm

    Everybody with a modem and a cell phone knows how this search is progressing. Fire Fowler now.

    Gee. Jimbo Fisher + Bo Pelini OR Tom O’Brien.

  19. partialqualifier 12/06/2006 at 10:07 AM #

    I just cant believe how stupid I am for thinking for one sec that this coaching search would be any different than everything else we have done in the past 16 years!!! May I regurgitate the coaches we have had since then:

    Les Robinson ….State grad….best previous job HC East Tennesse St.

    Herb Sendek….best previous job HC Miami, Oh.

    Mike O’Cain….Clemson grad….best previous job OC NC State

    Chuck Amato….State grad….spent 20+ years as an assistant w/ FSU

    Sidney Lowe….State grad…..HC NBA

    Paul Johnson(assuming he is hired)…from NC…..best job….Navy or Ga. Southern

    The pattern is obvious. In order to coach at State you must be from NC or be a State grad. 5 of the 6 fit that category. Also….another noticeable characteristic is the lack of achievemant by any of these guys b4 coming to NC State.

    Our athletic department is as bad as any in the country with similar resources! Period.

  20. RedTerror29 12/06/2006 at 10:12 AM #

    Winning 1-AA national championships, Coordinator of the Year awards, and Coach of the Year awards doesn’t qualify as achievement?

  21. statealum03 12/06/2006 at 10:20 AM #

    “You are right. Only about 95% are happy with it.”

    Not quite big man. Just b/c we have better things to do than post every 10min, doesn’t mean plenty of us didnt’ suppport Amato.

  22. Dan 12/06/2006 at 10:27 AM #

    ^ Yeah, you can count me in the 5%.

    I’ll back the next guy regardless, but I wish Chuck was still here.

  23. jbpackfan 12/06/2006 at 10:37 AM #

    Since Fisher is out, who is our #2 (assuming Johnson is #1)?

  24. NeverGiveUp 12/06/2006 at 10:41 AM #

    Did DG say which side cancelled the interview?

    If we did it, I’d guess we have our guy and are scheduling travel plans and pressers

    If Jimbo cancelled it, what does that mean? He has another job, he decided he could not work with LF?

  25. redfred2 12/06/2006 at 10:43 AM #

    Johnson gave an ultimatum, top one or two, or nothing doing. The Raleigh think tank undoubtably had him first on their list anyway, contacted him first, and let it be known to Johnson right off the bat. That left no room for any other considerations. One and done, interview process over.

    Lee Fowler, at his office door, ‘Step back everyone, back I say, no more interviews please.’ He shuts the door on a screaming mob, turns, and sprints across the room to a leaping mid air chest bang right in time with Oblinger’s apex. They both fall down on down on chairs, laughing their ass’s off. Fowler says, ‘It’s over! Can you believe that shit?! I can’t wait to hear what those lunatics out there have to say about that! Oblinger replies, “Cruise control! For at least another five years!!! You are the man Lee. Why don’t you go ahead and take off to the Lake a little early this week, you deserve it my man. Oh yeah Lee, before you take off, it’s this Lowe guy for basketball, and this new guy for football, isn’t it? I keep getting those two sports mixed up for some reason. Oh well, enjoy the lake, and don’t forget about the big 48 hour Star Trek marathon on the Sci-Fi channel all weekend.”

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