Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

Lots of things to run down in today’s coaching update. As with all of our updates, we think it best if you start by refreshing yourself with our preceeding entries on the topic.

* Paul Johnson was interviewed yesterday and his candidacy is being discussed by ESPN today. Johnson must have reason to believe that he is #2 on the list behind Cowher because his agent previously commented that he would only speak to schools where he would be #1 or #2 on their list. We wonder if that would remain true if Alabama calls him sixth?

* In addition to the Bill Cowher-play last week, the primary reason that so little news regarding the search has surfaced to this point is because the search is just now getting started. This information is very frustrating, but is consistent with The Sporting News’ report last week that NC State/Lee Fowler “wasn’t prepared to can Amato, which means the search has gotten off to a scrambling start.”

* We find the slow start to the search particularly sickening in light of the fact that Lee Fowler spent significant time giving media interviews last week to multiple outlets. We commented on a few of Fowler’s interviews on SFN and were surprised at how he was choosing to spend his time at the beginning stages of the search.

* Evidently, “Coach Fowler” has failed to impress A LOT of high ranking Wolfpackers (again) with his lack of preparation and sense of urgency regarding the search. Key calls go unreturned. Progress is slow. The search is just starting to move despite what some people try to say. At least more people are starting to talk about Uncle Jed’s shortcomings. It seems that some have finally awoken to Fowler’s preference to put the department on autopilot, collect his precious paycheck, and not be bothered with a whole lot of work.

* During the basketball search, Fowler’s penchant for spending time at his Lake Gaston house didn’t sit well with a lot of people. Neither did the fact that he didn’t understand that it was a bad thing that he lost 25 pounds in a month because he wasn’t mentally fit to deal with the common stress of executing a common component of any Athletics Director’s job.

* There is a small committee of only two individuals aiding Lee Fowler in the search for NC State’s next coach. We will not share the names and request that others do not as well. We are disappointed that Fowler’s ‘team’ would be so limited in scope and wish that he would have considered the addition of one or two other folks. SFN’s opinion of the two-man committee mixed – one of the members is a FANTASTIC CHOICE of whom we have a very high opinion; the other member does little to impress.

* One member of WolfpackNation that SHOULD have been selected to help with the search but was omitted is Dr. Jerry Punch. Is there ANY Wolfpacker out there with more connections and a more intimate contact inside of college football than Dr. Punch? Of course not. The connections and the observations/opinions that Dr. Punch could have added to the search would have been invaluable.

* Not much mention of ‘consultants’ and ‘head hunters’ right now.

* Dave Glenn has a coaching update on his blog that focuses on Paul Johnson and Jimbo Fisher. Not much update there other than they seem to be the first two candidates getting official interviews. Just because these gentlemen have their interviews scheduled first does not mean that they are necessarily ‘leading candidates’.

* Fisher has the strong support of some Wolfpackers for whom we have tremendous respect and therefore enhances the attractiveness of his candidacy in our eyes. Deeper digging into college football circles support these conclusions.

* Dave Glenn reported when the Carolina job was open that Jimbo Fisher and Bo Pelini presented themselves as a package deal to the Tarheel brass. We are starting to hear some chatter that may be the case with the Wolfpack as well. With Pelini on board, the potential strength of a Fisher-led staff in Raleigh could be incredible and would be hard to ignore.

Sixth-year LSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher and first-year defensive coordinator Bo Pelini have been recognized by Rivals.com as two of the nation’s top five coordinators on both sides of the ball. Pelini, who joined the Tigers after a stint at Oklahoma, is ranked as the nation’s second-best defensive coordinator by Rivals.com, while Fisher is listed as the fourth-best offensive coordinator. Other defensive coaches on the list include Bud Foster (Virginia Tech), Gene Chizik (Texas), Mickey Andrews (Florida State), Reggie Herring (Arkansas) and Tom Bradley (Penn State). Other offensive coordinators in the Rivals.com top five include Terry Malone (Michigan), Chris Peterson (Boise State), Norries Wilson (Connecticut) and Paul Petrino (Louisville).

* By contrast, Johnson’s staff at Navy is underwhelming (to say the least). He would have to upgrade at NC State to help mitigate a lot of the potential risks if State were to hire him.

* The Tennessean is reporting that NC State has contacted Norm Chow but has not yet arranged an interview. We love Norm Chow as a coordinator, but there is a reason that he has never been a college head coach. We hope that Chow gets the Stanford job, but some people’s whose opinion that we value would not touch Chow with a ten foot pole for the Head job at State.

* Another parallel to the basketball search is Lee Fowler‘s deep desire to insulate himself from as much risk as possible associated with the hire. In basketball, Fowler was hellbent to hire a ‘name that will make a splash’ as opposed to necessarily finding the best fit available. While Fowler was trying to hire Lon Kruger, John Beilein, and Steve Lavin he should have been prepared to pursue a different set of names that were better fits. In fact, many at NC State were pushing current coach Sidney Lowe as soon as John Calipari was off the board about nine days into the month-long search, but Fowler was steadfastly against the idea until so many names had (thankfully) run their course.

* This time around, Fowler seems hellbent on hiring someone with head coaching experience at the expense of potentially pursuing other options. This would create a crutch for him to forever use if the hire is a bust. Fans, facilities and other factors should be ready to be blamed if this kind of coach is unsuscessful in Raleigh because ‘obviously’ the coach CAN succeed based on the success of their last job.

* Chancellor Oblinger’s comments in a recent interview support this presumption:

“What am I looking for in a football coach? I am looking for integrity,” Oblinger said. “I’m looking for commitment to the student-athlete. I’m looking for commitment to graduation rates and … I’m looking for a proven record of performance.”

* Although we would prefer a coach with previous head coaching exeperience, it would not be a mandatory prerequisite if we were making the selection. People tend to forget that NO COACH starts as a head coach and EVERY great coach today was an assistant before they get a head job. Someone recognized these assistant’s abilities and potential and had to make the astute decision to elevate the coach to a head job.

* The following is quick list of current coaches are in their FIRST job as a college head coach after being elevated by an Athletics Director who knew what the hell they were doing:

Bob Stoops (assistant at Floriday), Mark Richt (assistant at Florida State), Bobby Petrino (assistant at Auburn), Kirk Ferentz (Iowa), Lloyd Carr (Michigan), Tom O’Brien (assistant at UVA), Jeff Tedford (assistant at Oregon), Greg Schiano (assistant at Miami), Mike Leach (assistant at Oklahoma) Bret Bielema (assistant at Wisconsin), Joe Paterno, Charlie Weiss, Bill Callahan and Pete Carroll. Even Carolina’s new coach, Butch Davis was the offensive coordinator at Miami before becoming such a (supposedly) great coach at “The U”.

* We have heard that Chancellor Oblinger is in Europe this week on a pre-scheduled vacation. Therefore, we would be very surprised if anything really broke until he returned. No further comment on this from us.

* WRAL-TV ran a story yesterday mentioning Arkansas coach, Houston Nutt. We truly believe that there has been some kind of interest passed along by Nutt through some channel. In addition to Reggie Herring’s presence in Fayetteville, don’t forget that Joe Pate coached at Arkansas and still has lots of ties down there.

* Arkansas’ fans dislike of Nutt is the kind of example of truly dangerous and crazy fans that Lee Fowler labels NC State fans. I wonder if Frank Broyles calls them all crazy in public? Fowler would last five minutes at an SEC school. Perhaps that is why Tennessee and Georgia both passed over Fowler without much of a sniff a few years ago when he made himself a candidate for both of those jobs.

* A nice Paul Johnson read linked here.

* There is a growing likelihood that other open jobs could potentially have an impact on NC State’s search. The longer that this drags out, the higher the risk that State could get lost in the shuffle of other jobs that may open based on a potential domino effect.

* SFN told you last week that Tom O’Brien would express an interest in the job. He has. O’Brien sees the writing on the wall in a pro sports town with little fan support and facility support for his program. What he has done at Boston College deserves significant praise. O’Brien was an assistant coach at UVA prior to taking over at BC.

* Other names that have been vaguely mentioned but that we would like to see more on are: Glen Mason from Minnesota, Steve Kragthorpe from Tulsa and Skip Holtz from East Carolina. (Update: Pack Pride has a feature on Kragthorpe since we wrote this).

* Some of the names ‘floated’ by the NC State pay websites are just absurd. Just because someone comments about NC State doesn’t mean that they should be mentioned regarding the job (ala Jerry Glanville). Sometimes the need to feed the beast is greater than common sense discretion.

* Message boards suck 365 days out of the year. But, they hit their lowest point during coaching transitions at schools. Wow. We literally lose IQ points just by clicking. SFN works hard to give all folks a fair forum without sacrificing too much quality, but we aren’t immune to stupidity.

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201 Responses to Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

  1. Wolfpack4ever 12/05/2006 at 8:04 PM #

    “Hold on there boys, leave Wolfpack4ever alone. This is between him and me.”

    Rf2, ^Sorry about the timing of my post following this one of yours. You weren’t “there” when I hit “submit.” One thing I like about you is your passion for NCSU and your strong stand for our boys.

    This kind of reminds me of a few of the Republicans and Dems — going at it on the House or Senate floor and then going out for dinner together after. Peace.

  2. stejen 12/05/2006 at 8:05 PM #

    Pater Kind on HBO said that Cowher was “absolutely not” going to State this year. He then went on to say that there may be a possibility of one of his assistant’s coming here for a year so Cowher could finish his contract. Those weren’t his exact words but that was how I took it. Did anybody else get this innuendo and is there any possible truth to it?

  3. Wolfpack4ever 12/05/2006 at 8:09 PM #

    old13 Says: “I like the Fisher package…”

    I checked with my wife, says she likes the ‘johnson package.’

  4. RabidWolf 12/05/2006 at 8:11 PM #

    I think the “we” is used much the same way as when describing a win or loss….”We should have run this play”, or “We should have dropped into a zone”, etc… It’s not like all of Wolfpack nation went up to the Murphy center and rode CTC out on a rail, and contrary to popular belief, “we” didn’t do that to Herb, either. Maybe picking nits and semantics (sp?) is not what we need to discuss or worry about. Just a thought.

    Really, I just wanted to use the phrase ‘picking nits’. ;P

  5. Wolfpack4ever 12/05/2006 at 8:14 PM #

    “During the basketball search, Fowler’s penchant for spending time at his Lake Gaston house didn’t sit well with a lot of people.”

    A lot of people spent time stalking Fowler? Must have been the same folks who were calling Herb with threats.

  6. beowolf 12/05/2006 at 8:30 PM #

    ^ Is anyone else tired of this crap? Freaking troll.

  7. Woof Wolf 12/05/2006 at 8:30 PM #

    Happy Birthday, redfred2.

  8. redfred2 12/05/2006 at 8:39 PM #

    Both Fisher and Pelini top are five coordinators. Let’s see now, that’s one top five for offense, and one top five for defense, that would leave special teams. It would seem to be fairly cut and dry to me. I just want to see some well focused, and well disciplined, ENERGY wearing RED next season out there showing itself on GAME DAY, not just at midweek in the media!!!

  9. Frank 12/05/2006 at 8:43 PM #

    JIMBO and BO. I like it. A lot.

  10. kozmokramer 12/05/2006 at 8:49 PM #

    Something to consider in possibly hiring some of the names mentioned………HOW LONG WOULD THEY STAY AT NC STATE IF HIRED???

    Paul Johnson – Johnson has ALWAYS said he will listen to anyone who comes knocking. He wouldn’t stay at NC State if a bigger school wanted him.

    Jimbo Fisher – Fisher is a SEC guy and would jump at his first opportunity to get there as a head coach.

    Norm Chow – Chow would be here for the long haul.

    Steve Logan – Logan turned down FOUR bigger jobs while at ECU; he’s a loyal guy and would be here for the long haul.

    David Cutcliff – Cutcliff is another SEC guy and would bolt back to the SEC if offered a head coaching gig.

    I think we hire either Chow or Logan for more reasons than their loyalty; they are both offensive gurus and move the football down the field and score points.

  11. Wolfpack4ever 12/05/2006 at 8:53 PM #

    Happy Birthday, re2. Enjoy the day.

  12. DIXIE Wolf 12/05/2006 at 8:57 PM #

    Pellini or Muschamp leaving top 5/10 programs to coach w/Fisher, can’t see it happening whatsoever, IMO. I’d love to be proved wrong.

  13. WolfPup35 12/05/2006 at 9:00 PM #

    How many times have I tried to start the “Logan chant”?? NOW someone else has chosen to bring up the fact that he can be effective, move the ball, score points, recruit, and would be loyal to the bitter end. Another plus would be the fact that he would probably want to blow up the scoreboard against the Pirates. Just a thought.

    Everybod, now, all together…..LOGAN, LOGAN, LOGAN!!!

  14. Wolfpack4ever 12/05/2006 at 9:09 PM #

    My concern is not HC or assistant, pass or 3-op. My concern is will the Chancellor, the BOT and the BOG let us pay for a top-tier coach. We can argue ’til we are blue in the face about who is the right fit but unless the afore mentioned trio is willing to pony up the price, we will be foreverl amenting how Fowler made a mockery of the search as one after another turns us down.

    If the Chancellor succumbs to the pressure to fire Fowler, it will be a classic case of letting the one who’s been taking the bullet for him also take the fall. Fowler takes the heat for all the decisions or lack of decisions the Chancellor makes. If anybody thinks a top flight AD is coming to NCSU to be the Chancellor’s fall guy, I got some land in FL I want to talk to you about.

  15. CarnifeX 12/05/2006 at 9:12 PM #

    Somehow I doubt money is gonna be an issue for the right coach.

  16. FullMoonRising 12/05/2006 at 9:14 PM #

    Why do you hate NC State so much wolfpack4Never?

    I think that we should start a movement to fire GOD because he is reponsible for allowing such sorry people to ever be born. He obviouslt doesn’t care about NCSU.

    FIRE GOD!!

  17. slamma 12/05/2006 at 9:27 PM #

    The fact that the author believes Lee Fowler was actually chasing Jim Beilien or moreover Lon Kruger tells me that you really are out of the loop in regard to what happens inside Case Athletic Center. I dont know Lee Fowler personally and dont have any reason to come to his aid but I am reasonable and logical so I ask you to give it a rest. I dont see any reason to think the guy is doing anything but a fine job. If you want to blame Sendek’s situation on him or Amato’s for that matter let me remind you Fowler wasn’t even around when those guys were hired.

  18. choppack1 12/05/2006 at 9:34 PM #

    First off, excellent update.

    Secondly – I am not sure how secure the Jimbo/Pelini package is. We’ll have to trust the folks doing the hiring (gulp!) if that’s the case.

    I also don’t think it’s fair to knock PJ’s staff at Navy too much -but hey, he was able to get the DC from a team in a BCS conference ;). However, from what I’ve heard, I don’t know if Buddy Green can come back. His situation at Navy is unique and he’s surrounded himself there w/ a combo of Navy guys and a few who were on his staff in the past. I don’t know how many outsiders and who he will bring here. However, we do know this – he has assembled staffs before – and guess what, like him, all his staff has done is win. Now, he may not be one of these guys that churns out a slew of head coaches – like McCartney at CU – but if a guy has won national championships at Georgia Southern -and has Navy best season in 50 years – I am not sure it’s fair to say, “The staff he will hire is a serious concern.”

    I really like both of these candidates. Jimbo Fisher is probably one of the hottest commodities in the assistant coaching community. He understands the challenges and day to day operations of big-time football. My main concern w/ him remains that unlike PJ – whose offensive tendencies automatically remove him from consideration from a lot of close minded ADs – Jimbo will be a huge glamour candidate.

    All we have to do is look at the lukewarm attention PJ has received compared to the positive reception that Jimbo has rec’d.

    If Jimbo was at Army doing what Navy is doing – w/ his background from LSU, etc – Jimbo’s name would be on the top of everyone’s list.

    Simply put, if Jimbo goes 7-5, then 8-4 – his name is the first one mentioned anytime a big job opens. OTOH, if PJ does the same thing, you don’t have to worry about the NFL and you’ll probably see a reaction of ADs similar to what we’re seeing today from our fanbase in general.

    I like both of these candidates. I know I’m in the minority in that I think that PJ actually has the higher upside of the two candidates. Simply put, if does what he’s done at GaSouthern and Navy, he will blow ALL of our previous coaches out of the water. Simply put, he beats his rivals, he beats teams w/ equal talent and dominates teams w/ lesser talent.

    OTOH, Jimbo seems to show all indications of being a solid hire. He seems to share some of the characteristics we’ve seen in Mark Richt and Bob Stoopes. However, I just don’t know how he’s going to do in the underdog role that is NC State. Since he has been at LSU – he has had a ton of talent – and his talent level is rarely exceeded by his opponent. That won’t be the case here. I see Jimbo running a machine here – the kind that Amato was initially running before something went wrong.

    Finally, I think one of these 2 guys will take the job. If they don’t, Lee Fowler and Oblinger owe the Wolfpack community a huge apology. I think these guys are interested and I think both can take our program to the next level.

  19. WolfPup35 12/05/2006 at 9:42 PM #

    Since Jimbo has HAD a ton of talent @ LSU, he has earned some name recognition, and that can travel with a coach from one place to another. Therefore, if he can get the talent to go to LSU, then he can do the same at NCSU!! The ACC has gotten a lot more attention lately (Miami notwithstanding) and has gotten some top flight recruits. I have no doubt that with the connections he has worked so hard to keep, he could persuade some of the recruits that would consider LSU to come to NC State. Don’t start the doubting before he’s even here.

  20. quypack93 12/05/2006 at 9:44 PM #

    kozmokramer, your reasonings scare me. there is a chance that any coach we have that worth a dime might leave us. people leave their job all the time for different reasons. but that is not a good reason not to hire someone who we think is a good coach. grobe is good and if someone would have told me three years ago that he would turn down bigger jobs at bigger programs, i’d say they need to get their head checked. do you think butch davis to going to die of old age at unc? norm chow probably is not going to go anywhere because he too old already. logan? i can live with logan rather chow but if you have a chance with paul johnson and you opt for logan? i am glad you are not our ad.

  21. quypack93 12/05/2006 at 9:44 PM #

    kozmokramer, your reasonings scare me. there is a chance that any coach we have that worth a dime might leave us. people leave their job all the time for different reasons. but that is not a good reason not to hire someone who we think is a good coach. grobe is good and if someone would have told me three years ago that he would turn down bigger jobs at bigger programs, i’d say they need to get their head checked. do you think butch davis to going to die of old age at unc? norm chow probably is not going to go anywhere because he too old already. logan? i can live with logan rather chow but if you have a chance with paul johnson and you opt for logan? i am glad you are not our ad.

  22. WolfPup35 12/05/2006 at 9:46 PM #

    sorry about the double post, but I just read slamma’s comments. The reason we give Fowlup shit is because of his penchant for mouth / foot copulation. Ol’ Lee needs to remember the ORDER OF INSTRUCTION for media relations—-engage brain prior to opening mouth. Failure to follow these instructions may result in embarrassment and a leathery taste in the mouth. 🙂

  23. PhiPackaWhacka 12/05/2006 at 9:55 PM #

    I don’t know if this has been mentioned earlier, but the N&O mentioned today that that Jimbo Fisher was considered for the OC job when Trestman was hired two years ago. Just think — If Amato had hired Fisher as OC, he would likely still have his job.

  24. quypack93 12/05/2006 at 9:59 PM #

    Phipackpup35, of course and we went with a name guy (nfl) in trestman and he gave us 2 years of offensive fireworks. that is what happen when you hire someone and hope that he would bring his old employer with him. trestman’s association with the oakland raiders and the nfl made us go gaga over him. big name and all. please bot, please lee fowler, bring us paul johnson.

  25. quypack93 12/05/2006 at 10:05 PM #

    is it me or is it jimbo fisher acts like an ugly drunk girl in a bar at 2:30 in the morning.

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