Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

Lots of things to run down in today’s coaching update. As with all of our updates, we think it best if you start by refreshing yourself with our preceeding entries on the topic.

* Paul Johnson was interviewed yesterday and his candidacy is being discussed by ESPN today. Johnson must have reason to believe that he is #2 on the list behind Cowher because his agent previously commented that he would only speak to schools where he would be #1 or #2 on their list. We wonder if that would remain true if Alabama calls him sixth?

* In addition to the Bill Cowher-play last week, the primary reason that so little news regarding the search has surfaced to this point is because the search is just now getting started. This information is very frustrating, but is consistent with The Sporting News’ report last week that NC State/Lee Fowler “wasn’t prepared to can Amato, which means the search has gotten off to a scrambling start.”

* We find the slow start to the search particularly sickening in light of the fact that Lee Fowler spent significant time giving media interviews last week to multiple outlets. We commented on a few of Fowler’s interviews on SFN and were surprised at how he was choosing to spend his time at the beginning stages of the search.

* Evidently, “Coach Fowler” has failed to impress A LOT of high ranking Wolfpackers (again) with his lack of preparation and sense of urgency regarding the search. Key calls go unreturned. Progress is slow. The search is just starting to move despite what some people try to say. At least more people are starting to talk about Uncle Jed’s shortcomings. It seems that some have finally awoken to Fowler’s preference to put the department on autopilot, collect his precious paycheck, and not be bothered with a whole lot of work.

* During the basketball search, Fowler’s penchant for spending time at his Lake Gaston house didn’t sit well with a lot of people. Neither did the fact that he didn’t understand that it was a bad thing that he lost 25 pounds in a month because he wasn’t mentally fit to deal with the common stress of executing a common component of any Athletics Director’s job.

* There is a small committee of only two individuals aiding Lee Fowler in the search for NC State’s next coach. We will not share the names and request that others do not as well. We are disappointed that Fowler’s ‘team’ would be so limited in scope and wish that he would have considered the addition of one or two other folks. SFN’s opinion of the two-man committee mixed – one of the members is a FANTASTIC CHOICE of whom we have a very high opinion; the other member does little to impress.

* One member of WolfpackNation that SHOULD have been selected to help with the search but was omitted is Dr. Jerry Punch. Is there ANY Wolfpacker out there with more connections and a more intimate contact inside of college football than Dr. Punch? Of course not. The connections and the observations/opinions that Dr. Punch could have added to the search would have been invaluable.

* Not much mention of ‘consultants’ and ‘head hunters’ right now.

* Dave Glenn has a coaching update on his blog that focuses on Paul Johnson and Jimbo Fisher. Not much update there other than they seem to be the first two candidates getting official interviews. Just because these gentlemen have their interviews scheduled first does not mean that they are necessarily ‘leading candidates’.

* Fisher has the strong support of some Wolfpackers for whom we have tremendous respect and therefore enhances the attractiveness of his candidacy in our eyes. Deeper digging into college football circles support these conclusions.

* Dave Glenn reported when the Carolina job was open that Jimbo Fisher and Bo Pelini presented themselves as a package deal to the Tarheel brass. We are starting to hear some chatter that may be the case with the Wolfpack as well. With Pelini on board, the potential strength of a Fisher-led staff in Raleigh could be incredible and would be hard to ignore.

Sixth-year LSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher and first-year defensive coordinator Bo Pelini have been recognized by Rivals.com as two of the nation’s top five coordinators on both sides of the ball. Pelini, who joined the Tigers after a stint at Oklahoma, is ranked as the nation’s second-best defensive coordinator by Rivals.com, while Fisher is listed as the fourth-best offensive coordinator. Other defensive coaches on the list include Bud Foster (Virginia Tech), Gene Chizik (Texas), Mickey Andrews (Florida State), Reggie Herring (Arkansas) and Tom Bradley (Penn State). Other offensive coordinators in the Rivals.com top five include Terry Malone (Michigan), Chris Peterson (Boise State), Norries Wilson (Connecticut) and Paul Petrino (Louisville).

* By contrast, Johnson’s staff at Navy is underwhelming (to say the least). He would have to upgrade at NC State to help mitigate a lot of the potential risks if State were to hire him.

* The Tennessean is reporting that NC State has contacted Norm Chow but has not yet arranged an interview. We love Norm Chow as a coordinator, but there is a reason that he has never been a college head coach. We hope that Chow gets the Stanford job, but some people’s whose opinion that we value would not touch Chow with a ten foot pole for the Head job at State.

* Another parallel to the basketball search is Lee Fowler‘s deep desire to insulate himself from as much risk as possible associated with the hire. In basketball, Fowler was hellbent to hire a ‘name that will make a splash’ as opposed to necessarily finding the best fit available. While Fowler was trying to hire Lon Kruger, John Beilein, and Steve Lavin he should have been prepared to pursue a different set of names that were better fits. In fact, many at NC State were pushing current coach Sidney Lowe as soon as John Calipari was off the board about nine days into the month-long search, but Fowler was steadfastly against the idea until so many names had (thankfully) run their course.

* This time around, Fowler seems hellbent on hiring someone with head coaching experience at the expense of potentially pursuing other options. This would create a crutch for him to forever use if the hire is a bust. Fans, facilities and other factors should be ready to be blamed if this kind of coach is unsuscessful in Raleigh because ‘obviously’ the coach CAN succeed based on the success of their last job.

* Chancellor Oblinger’s comments in a recent interview support this presumption:

“What am I looking for in a football coach? I am looking for integrity,” Oblinger said. “I’m looking for commitment to the student-athlete. I’m looking for commitment to graduation rates and … I’m looking for a proven record of performance.”

* Although we would prefer a coach with previous head coaching exeperience, it would not be a mandatory prerequisite if we were making the selection. People tend to forget that NO COACH starts as a head coach and EVERY great coach today was an assistant before they get a head job. Someone recognized these assistant’s abilities and potential and had to make the astute decision to elevate the coach to a head job.

* The following is quick list of current coaches are in their FIRST job as a college head coach after being elevated by an Athletics Director who knew what the hell they were doing:

Bob Stoops (assistant at Floriday), Mark Richt (assistant at Florida State), Bobby Petrino (assistant at Auburn), Kirk Ferentz (Iowa), Lloyd Carr (Michigan), Tom O’Brien (assistant at UVA), Jeff Tedford (assistant at Oregon), Greg Schiano (assistant at Miami), Mike Leach (assistant at Oklahoma) Bret Bielema (assistant at Wisconsin), Joe Paterno, Charlie Weiss, Bill Callahan and Pete Carroll. Even Carolina’s new coach, Butch Davis was the offensive coordinator at Miami before becoming such a (supposedly) great coach at “The U”.

* We have heard that Chancellor Oblinger is in Europe this week on a pre-scheduled vacation. Therefore, we would be very surprised if anything really broke until he returned. No further comment on this from us.

* WRAL-TV ran a story yesterday mentioning Arkansas coach, Houston Nutt. We truly believe that there has been some kind of interest passed along by Nutt through some channel. In addition to Reggie Herring’s presence in Fayetteville, don’t forget that Joe Pate coached at Arkansas and still has lots of ties down there.

* Arkansas’ fans dislike of Nutt is the kind of example of truly dangerous and crazy fans that Lee Fowler labels NC State fans. I wonder if Frank Broyles calls them all crazy in public? Fowler would last five minutes at an SEC school. Perhaps that is why Tennessee and Georgia both passed over Fowler without much of a sniff a few years ago when he made himself a candidate for both of those jobs.

* A nice Paul Johnson read linked here.

* There is a growing likelihood that other open jobs could potentially have an impact on NC State’s search. The longer that this drags out, the higher the risk that State could get lost in the shuffle of other jobs that may open based on a potential domino effect.

* SFN told you last week that Tom O’Brien would express an interest in the job. He has. O’Brien sees the writing on the wall in a pro sports town with little fan support and facility support for his program. What he has done at Boston College deserves significant praise. O’Brien was an assistant coach at UVA prior to taking over at BC.

* Other names that have been vaguely mentioned but that we would like to see more on are: Glen Mason from Minnesota, Steve Kragthorpe from Tulsa and Skip Holtz from East Carolina. (Update: Pack Pride has a feature on Kragthorpe since we wrote this).

* Some of the names ‘floated’ by the NC State pay websites are just absurd. Just because someone comments about NC State doesn’t mean that they should be mentioned regarding the job (ala Jerry Glanville). Sometimes the need to feed the beast is greater than common sense discretion.

* Message boards suck 365 days out of the year. But, they hit their lowest point during coaching transitions at schools. Wow. We literally lose IQ points just by clicking. SFN works hard to give all folks a fair forum without sacrificing too much quality, but we aren’t immune to stupidity.

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201 Responses to Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

  1. Woof Wolf 12/05/2006 at 6:24 PM #

    I played with Jacque. He always did a good job of taking care of his boys.

  2. quypack93 12/05/2006 at 6:25 PM #

    hypes up the fans and loses a bunch of games by “inches”? sounds like we should have kept the one we just fired. from comments of all the fisher/pellini supporters, the more they analyze, the it sounds like we want to hire a man not unlike the one we just fired.

  3. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 6:27 PM #

    not saying that Fisher will do much better… but I do feel that a FIsher hire would bring in more positive attention to recruits that we NEED to make some time up on immediatly.

    I guess what it comes down to is that PJ seems like a coach that can pull out 7-8 wins consistantly and might be able to pull off a 9-10 win season once or twice in a 10 year period.

    Fisher gives me more hope of a possible 10-11 win season. Why? ambition, recruiting, attitude, and aquaintance with others on a higher level of football.

  4. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 6:28 PM #

    guy… your right, it DOES sound strangley like Amato….

    never know, it might work this time….

  5. tvp 12/05/2006 at 6:31 PM #

    SFN – In what respects do you think Johnson’s staff is deficient?

  6. quypack93 12/05/2006 at 6:33 PM #

    whitefang, so you just assume that, if hired, pj is going to bring the whole operation from navy here: assistants, players, stadium, playbooks, the whole shebang. man, i wonder what osu fans was saying to their administration when osu hired tressel from youngstown. i would assume all the same bla bla that some of the posters here. if we miss out on pj, which wouldn’t surprise considering what was happening at the bball search when we mindlessly going after name coaches to please some media hacks and some of the posters here (lavin, kruger, calipari, beillein, etc), we will live to regret it. i hope we have more courage and imagination this time around and hire a winner like paul johnson.

  7. test4eko 12/05/2006 at 6:34 PM #

    7-8 wins a season is okay, so long as you beat the “blue schools” with some degree of regularity and you don’t alienate the BOT. Anyone who comes in should do enough research to not repeat the mistakes of their predecessor.

  8. tvp 12/05/2006 at 6:36 PM #

    “PJ seems like a coach that can pull out 7-8 wins consistantly and might be able to pull off a 9-10 win season once or twice in a 10 year period.”

    I think PJ’s ceiling is higher than this…but frankly, I’d take this performance.

    Also, if O’Brien is interested, we need to pursue that in a big way. Of course Jed is unlikely to want to ruffle feathers among his friends in the ACC office.

  9. quypack93 12/05/2006 at 6:39 PM #

    when carolina fired bunting, the person that i feared they might hire was pj, not butch davis. when state fired chuck, the person that i feared we might miss out was pj, not bill cowher. i said even though i think davis was a good hire for carolina and cowher (i am a fan of his) would have been a good hire for us.

  10. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 6:41 PM #

    I agree that O’Brien NEEDS to be considered. seems to be a great coach in a bad situation… but I do wonder what is up with the meltdown against Miami and US?!?!

    I dont see how you could predict PJ’s “ceiling” any higher than 7-8 wins… he wasnt MUCH better than that at Navy. but I would also be happy with consistant 8 win seasons, and one 10 or 11 win season with a loss to a Top 5 team.

    =-)

  11. test4eko 12/05/2006 at 6:53 PM #

    It’s interesting how the opening for this job is almost the complete polar opposite of the BB team in that its drawing good, solid candidates. Debates b/w Johnson and Fisher aside, its a welcome relief to hear so much solid “chatter” in the coaching community about the opening. Going the Neinas has, for the most part, kept us from dealing with the Calipari’s of the world who were clearing shopping for a bigger payday. That said, I’d be totally shocked if PJ or Fisher, given an offer, would refuse. It feels good to finally be in a position where people are taking our calls or, in most cases, contacting Barnaby to express interest themselves. Good times WPN, good times!!

  12. quypack93 12/05/2006 at 6:53 PM #

    when tressel came to ohio state, i wonder if he brought his players and complete staff with him from youngstown. you can speculate about everything to the moon, but at the end of the day, the ONLY thing you can judge a candidate on is his body of work, period. in that regard, pj is still the one we should hire.

  13. test4eko 12/05/2006 at 6:54 PM #

    ^^^

    “Going the Neinas route” that is….

  14. JimValvano 12/05/2006 at 7:02 PM #

    Have you guys ever thought about it like this…

    We can get Fisher and Pellini

    or

    Paul JOHNSON

    I guess

  15. JimValvano 12/05/2006 at 7:03 PM #

    either way you look at it…it’s a “package” deal

  16. JimValvano 12/05/2006 at 7:04 PM #

    In all seriousness…I think it may be possible that we’ve made our hire and we just can’t announce it yet.

    We’ve hired someone who is still coaching at this point in time and out of respect for their current job and players…haven’t announced it.

  17. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 7:07 PM #

    ^well that would mean waiting till after at least Christmas…. now way thats the case.

  18. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 7:07 PM #

    no way

  19. JimValvano 12/05/2006 at 7:20 PM #

    I think it is entirely possible our coach is announced on January 1…but…maybe as early as December 18. It just depends on this particular coach’s preference.

  20. PAPacker 12/05/2006 at 7:22 PM #

    I seem to be hearing two different things. One is that PJ has one scheme, running oriented, and another that he adjusts to personnel, i.e., incorporated a pass-oriented attack at Hawaii. Does he have a multi-faceted, flexible offensive philosophy or is he going to bring a run-dominated attack to his next program? Can anyone clarify?

  21. redfred2 12/05/2006 at 7:45 PM #

    4ever,

    Today is my birthday, one of the big ones, the new decade starting ones.

    Thanks for that warm hearted gift. BTW, I am having a BALL.

  22. RabidWolf 12/05/2006 at 7:50 PM #

    Hell, the Fisher / Pelini combo sounds like a win / win situation to me. Hasn’t LSU been one of the top programs in the SEC for the past few years? Were they there when LSU made the NC?? If State can land a double whammy like these two, it can be nothing but positive for our program. PJ seems like a good, solid coach, but much like Sendek’s offense, I do not believe it would be widely accepted by the “crazy” fans of NCSU. Run, run, run, watch that Wolfpack run would not be what fans want to see. Like BB, ‘Pack fans want faster play with more diversity. I think that whatever Fowler thinks, State should go the opposite direction, though. Here’s a thought, fire Fowler and make Amato the AD. Amato has proven that he can raise the money needed (look at the Carter), and might be more committed to the university for no other reason than the fact he is an alumnus. It could be viewed as a promotion, and he could still somewhat be responisible for the success of the FB program. Just a thought. GO ‘PACK!!

  23. johnnyfever2 12/05/2006 at 7:55 PM #

    “package deal sounds nice =)”

    Think a trip to the carryout is in order.

  24. RabidWolf 12/05/2006 at 7:58 PM #

    I would also like a mu shu pork with 4 eggroll and green tea. =P

  25. legacyman 12/05/2006 at 8:02 PM #

    When referring to the firing of Coach Amato, I wish folks would quit saying “we” fired the coach. “We” didn’t do squat…the BOT did the deed which I did not and still do not support. So if you agree with the action that’s your right but don’t imply that everyone is happy with it.

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