Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

Lots of things to run down in today’s coaching update. As with all of our updates, we think it best if you start by refreshing yourself with our preceeding entries on the topic.

* Paul Johnson was interviewed yesterday and his candidacy is being discussed by ESPN today. Johnson must have reason to believe that he is #2 on the list behind Cowher because his agent previously commented that he would only speak to schools where he would be #1 or #2 on their list. We wonder if that would remain true if Alabama calls him sixth?

* In addition to the Bill Cowher-play last week, the primary reason that so little news regarding the search has surfaced to this point is because the search is just now getting started. This information is very frustrating, but is consistent with The Sporting News’ report last week that NC State/Lee Fowler “wasn’t prepared to can Amato, which means the search has gotten off to a scrambling start.”

* We find the slow start to the search particularly sickening in light of the fact that Lee Fowler spent significant time giving media interviews last week to multiple outlets. We commented on a few of Fowler’s interviews on SFN and were surprised at how he was choosing to spend his time at the beginning stages of the search.

* Evidently, “Coach Fowler” has failed to impress A LOT of high ranking Wolfpackers (again) with his lack of preparation and sense of urgency regarding the search. Key calls go unreturned. Progress is slow. The search is just starting to move despite what some people try to say. At least more people are starting to talk about Uncle Jed’s shortcomings. It seems that some have finally awoken to Fowler’s preference to put the department on autopilot, collect his precious paycheck, and not be bothered with a whole lot of work.

* During the basketball search, Fowler’s penchant for spending time at his Lake Gaston house didn’t sit well with a lot of people. Neither did the fact that he didn’t understand that it was a bad thing that he lost 25 pounds in a month because he wasn’t mentally fit to deal with the common stress of executing a common component of any Athletics Director’s job.

* There is a small committee of only two individuals aiding Lee Fowler in the search for NC State’s next coach. We will not share the names and request that others do not as well. We are disappointed that Fowler’s ‘team’ would be so limited in scope and wish that he would have considered the addition of one or two other folks. SFN’s opinion of the two-man committee mixed – one of the members is a FANTASTIC CHOICE of whom we have a very high opinion; the other member does little to impress.

* One member of WolfpackNation that SHOULD have been selected to help with the search but was omitted is Dr. Jerry Punch. Is there ANY Wolfpacker out there with more connections and a more intimate contact inside of college football than Dr. Punch? Of course not. The connections and the observations/opinions that Dr. Punch could have added to the search would have been invaluable.

* Not much mention of ‘consultants’ and ‘head hunters’ right now.

* Dave Glenn has a coaching update on his blog that focuses on Paul Johnson and Jimbo Fisher. Not much update there other than they seem to be the first two candidates getting official interviews. Just because these gentlemen have their interviews scheduled first does not mean that they are necessarily ‘leading candidates’.

* Fisher has the strong support of some Wolfpackers for whom we have tremendous respect and therefore enhances the attractiveness of his candidacy in our eyes. Deeper digging into college football circles support these conclusions.

* Dave Glenn reported when the Carolina job was open that Jimbo Fisher and Bo Pelini presented themselves as a package deal to the Tarheel brass. We are starting to hear some chatter that may be the case with the Wolfpack as well. With Pelini on board, the potential strength of a Fisher-led staff in Raleigh could be incredible and would be hard to ignore.

Sixth-year LSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher and first-year defensive coordinator Bo Pelini have been recognized by Rivals.com as two of the nation’s top five coordinators on both sides of the ball. Pelini, who joined the Tigers after a stint at Oklahoma, is ranked as the nation’s second-best defensive coordinator by Rivals.com, while Fisher is listed as the fourth-best offensive coordinator. Other defensive coaches on the list include Bud Foster (Virginia Tech), Gene Chizik (Texas), Mickey Andrews (Florida State), Reggie Herring (Arkansas) and Tom Bradley (Penn State). Other offensive coordinators in the Rivals.com top five include Terry Malone (Michigan), Chris Peterson (Boise State), Norries Wilson (Connecticut) and Paul Petrino (Louisville).

* By contrast, Johnson’s staff at Navy is underwhelming (to say the least). He would have to upgrade at NC State to help mitigate a lot of the potential risks if State were to hire him.

* The Tennessean is reporting that NC State has contacted Norm Chow but has not yet arranged an interview. We love Norm Chow as a coordinator, but there is a reason that he has never been a college head coach. We hope that Chow gets the Stanford job, but some people’s whose opinion that we value would not touch Chow with a ten foot pole for the Head job at State.

* Another parallel to the basketball search is Lee Fowler‘s deep desire to insulate himself from as much risk as possible associated with the hire. In basketball, Fowler was hellbent to hire a ‘name that will make a splash’ as opposed to necessarily finding the best fit available. While Fowler was trying to hire Lon Kruger, John Beilein, and Steve Lavin he should have been prepared to pursue a different set of names that were better fits. In fact, many at NC State were pushing current coach Sidney Lowe as soon as John Calipari was off the board about nine days into the month-long search, but Fowler was steadfastly against the idea until so many names had (thankfully) run their course.

* This time around, Fowler seems hellbent on hiring someone with head coaching experience at the expense of potentially pursuing other options. This would create a crutch for him to forever use if the hire is a bust. Fans, facilities and other factors should be ready to be blamed if this kind of coach is unsuscessful in Raleigh because ‘obviously’ the coach CAN succeed based on the success of their last job.

* Chancellor Oblinger’s comments in a recent interview support this presumption:

“What am I looking for in a football coach? I am looking for integrity,” Oblinger said. “I’m looking for commitment to the student-athlete. I’m looking for commitment to graduation rates and … I’m looking for a proven record of performance.”

* Although we would prefer a coach with previous head coaching exeperience, it would not be a mandatory prerequisite if we were making the selection. People tend to forget that NO COACH starts as a head coach and EVERY great coach today was an assistant before they get a head job. Someone recognized these assistant’s abilities and potential and had to make the astute decision to elevate the coach to a head job.

* The following is quick list of current coaches are in their FIRST job as a college head coach after being elevated by an Athletics Director who knew what the hell they were doing:

Bob Stoops (assistant at Floriday), Mark Richt (assistant at Florida State), Bobby Petrino (assistant at Auburn), Kirk Ferentz (Iowa), Lloyd Carr (Michigan), Tom O’Brien (assistant at UVA), Jeff Tedford (assistant at Oregon), Greg Schiano (assistant at Miami), Mike Leach (assistant at Oklahoma) Bret Bielema (assistant at Wisconsin), Joe Paterno, Charlie Weiss, Bill Callahan and Pete Carroll. Even Carolina’s new coach, Butch Davis was the offensive coordinator at Miami before becoming such a (supposedly) great coach at “The U”.

* We have heard that Chancellor Oblinger is in Europe this week on a pre-scheduled vacation. Therefore, we would be very surprised if anything really broke until he returned. No further comment on this from us.

* WRAL-TV ran a story yesterday mentioning Arkansas coach, Houston Nutt. We truly believe that there has been some kind of interest passed along by Nutt through some channel. In addition to Reggie Herring’s presence in Fayetteville, don’t forget that Joe Pate coached at Arkansas and still has lots of ties down there.

* Arkansas’ fans dislike of Nutt is the kind of example of truly dangerous and crazy fans that Lee Fowler labels NC State fans. I wonder if Frank Broyles calls them all crazy in public? Fowler would last five minutes at an SEC school. Perhaps that is why Tennessee and Georgia both passed over Fowler without much of a sniff a few years ago when he made himself a candidate for both of those jobs.

* A nice Paul Johnson read linked here.

* There is a growing likelihood that other open jobs could potentially have an impact on NC State’s search. The longer that this drags out, the higher the risk that State could get lost in the shuffle of other jobs that may open based on a potential domino effect.

* SFN told you last week that Tom O’Brien would express an interest in the job. He has. O’Brien sees the writing on the wall in a pro sports town with little fan support and facility support for his program. What he has done at Boston College deserves significant praise. O’Brien was an assistant coach at UVA prior to taking over at BC.

* Other names that have been vaguely mentioned but that we would like to see more on are: Glen Mason from Minnesota, Steve Kragthorpe from Tulsa and Skip Holtz from East Carolina. (Update: Pack Pride has a feature on Kragthorpe since we wrote this).

* Some of the names ‘floated’ by the NC State pay websites are just absurd. Just because someone comments about NC State doesn’t mean that they should be mentioned regarding the job (ala Jerry Glanville). Sometimes the need to feed the beast is greater than common sense discretion.

* Message boards suck 365 days out of the year. But, they hit their lowest point during coaching transitions at schools. Wow. We literally lose IQ points just by clicking. SFN works hard to give all folks a fair forum without sacrificing too much quality, but we aren’t immune to stupidity.

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201 Responses to Big Coaching Update: Must it be a Head Coach?

  1. jbwbubba 12/05/2006 at 4:14 PM #

    I agree that a Fisher/Pelini combo would be huge!!! I think Fisher has an amazing upside, and could be the next great coach. Don’t ask me why its just a feeling. I like PJ okay, I think he would be successful, but I wonder if he can recruit on a big stage.

  2. db321 12/05/2006 at 4:14 PM #

    I’m really uncomfortable with Fowler having so much control in this coaching search. How can NC State officials give this guy so much power when he’s made so many mistakes? Where is the leadership?

    As far as the potential candidates, and what I’ve been able to read and have heard from others I trust, I hope Fisher and Johnson are Fowler’s at the top of the list right now. However, that’s not to say a third or fourth candidate shouldn’t be added to the mix. I hope Lee talks to more than just these two candidates because there may be a better option and the search needs to be broad.

    A few thoughts on PJ and JF…

    If PJ openly discusses changing his offense to more passing, and be more aggressive on defense, then I think he could be a good ACC head coach. I’d be interested to know what kind of offense he sees NC State running 3 years down the road though. Also, I’m not sure if Buddy Green will run an aggressive enough defense, but maybe he Buddy stays at Navy for that job. If we had a great defense year in and year out, and ran a variation of PJ’s offense, then I think we could challenge for division titles.

    As far as Fisher, there might be more risk involved with hiring a coordinator, but the reward might be high as well. A package deal of Fisher/Pellini would be a great combination. Hopefully they could hire good staffs and keep them together. Obviously there are concerns like no head coaching experience and will his offensive philosophies that work at LSU work at State, etc.

    I think it really should come down to how each guy interviews. What is their vision and how do they address some of these concerns. Who would make up each choices staff? How open are they to change? What offensive and defensive philosophies would each want to run 3 – 5 years from now? What is their vision?

  3. Woof Wolf 12/05/2006 at 4:15 PM #

    Another reason to get it done quick is that Butch is over in CH consolidating his recruiting class and who knows what’s happening with ours.

  4. tooyoungtoremember 12/05/2006 at 4:17 PM #

    This post once again confirms the reason that this site has singlehandedly led me to wear out my F5 button.

  5. 94MEGrad 12/05/2006 at 4:19 PM #

    I, too, am worried that Fowler apparantly is the head man on this search. Granted, it should be expected of an Athletic Director but ours has proven once that he can’t handle a search. He lucked up landing Lowe.

  6. mrluvaluva2008 12/05/2006 at 4:22 PM #

    Give me Jimbo Fisher

  7. TNCSU 12/05/2006 at 4:23 PM #

    I thought those F1-F10 buttons were no longer functional! 🙂 What the heck does F5 do — refresh?? If so, I’ve learned something else on SFN. I’m sure the search committee would want to know a great deal about possible staffs, so a package deal with Fisher/Pellini would be great, but I doubt it would last — but if they do “JUMP”, that means they found success, which I don’t mind — hopefully, only Pellini would jump.

  8. WTNY 12/05/2006 at 4:24 PM #

    DG updates his 12/04 item at 3:30pm on 12/5 (in the comments):

    The only update I can provide right now is this: There is absolutely no doubt that Paul Johnson is one of N.C. State’s top two candidates, and there is absolutely no doubt that he is very interested in the job. I’m not 100 percent certain right now of the identity of the ‘other top candidate.’ It might be someone we know has talked with State in some fashion (Chow, Fisher), or it might be someone else entirely. I’m just not sure about that part right now.

  9. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 4:25 PM #

    I have a horrible feeling that Fowler is looking for a guy that says he wants to be at NCSU for ever. He is NOT going to find anyone who will say that without being here first.

  10. 98st8 12/05/2006 at 4:28 PM #

    Does anyone know what David Glenn said about our coaching search today on the radio?

  11. highonlowe 12/05/2006 at 4:29 PM #

    Right now, I don’t care who is heading the search. It seems like the two main candidates are both men I can fully support and welcome into the NC State community.
    I, for one, am excited about where we’re going

  12. 98st8 12/05/2006 at 4:29 PM #

    WTNY…sorry Thanks for the info

  13. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 4:30 PM #

    ^just dont change your name to highonjohnson and everything will be ok
    😉

    sorry…
    I had to

  14. old13 12/05/2006 at 4:30 PM #

    1. I like the Fisher package with or without Pelini for recruiting.

    2. If Fisher does what I think he can – build an elite program at State, he may not be a short-timer at State.

    3. Foulup should be canned YESTERDAY for incompetence!

  15. Rick 12/05/2006 at 4:36 PM #

    “wasn’t prepared to can Amato, which means the search has gotten off to a scrambling start.”
    How can this possibly happen? How can he be so consistently unprepared? What does he actually do for the insanely high salary we give him (if is is above a penny it is insanely high).
    How can this sack of donkey dung be our leader?
    Is it possible to be any more incompetant?

    The fact that LF is anything other than a figurehead in this search makes me think we are screwed. I do not think Foulup can luck his way into another great hire.

    BTW thanks for the update.

  16. redfred2 12/05/2006 at 4:39 PM #

    Let me guess the odd man out in the coaching search…??? Let me see, could it be a close friend and confidant? Maybe huh…Wolfpack4ever.

    Seriously though, if the Fisher/Pelini offer is for real, jump on it.

    We need to stop worrying about stepping stones. That’s going to be the nature of the beast until our fearless leadership figures out the value of strong athletic programs and starts doing what everyone else does to perpetuate them.

  17. Texpack 12/05/2006 at 4:39 PM #

    A package deal from LSU would be good. I’m still not thrilled about hiring a coordinator, but from a place like LSU it becomes easier to accept. Houston Nutt is not well liked at Arkansas because people thought he should be gone after back-to-back 4-7 seasons. Those two years were on the heels of the raise he squeezed out of the pig faithful by playing Nebraska. He has a lot of snake oil salesman characteristics. The guy directs the band after each victory. He’s always got to be the center of attention.

  18. MrPlywood 12/05/2006 at 4:42 PM #

    Points:

    To think that there was no “backup plan” in place should Amato get the boot is really shortsighted and disheartening, but not unexpected. I guess there was reluctance to let him go right up until the goalposts were taken down with 14 seconds to go.

    I like the sound of the Fisher “package deal”, and I would really like for State to be the FIRST domino to fall.

    I would really think State can become a “destination” job instead of a “stepping stone”, and I think that goes hand in hand with the on-field success of the program. The bricks and mortar are in place, now it’s time for a vibrant coach to come in and make it his own. It can happen, look at Spurrier deciding to stay at SC, Grobe at WF.

    I don’t think PJ is that coach.

    Last but not least, even Urban Meyer at FLA knows that the BCS is broken 🙂

  19. packpigskinfan23 12/05/2006 at 4:43 PM #

    redfred- I NEVER get tired of your cuts on 4Ever…

    nothing against the guy… but you guys going at it is always entertaining!!!

  20. packbackr04 12/05/2006 at 4:43 PM #

    i thought about Nutt but his record has been fairly unimpressive up until this year right??? didnt hea have a couple 4-8 seasons a few years ago???

    Lee Fowler is the kind of guy that would fu$k a person in the a$$ and not even have the common god darn courtesy to give him a reach around.

  21. redfred2 12/05/2006 at 4:46 PM #

    ppsf23

    I’d really like to meet him.

    Say in a 12 foot, no holds barred, cage match or something.

    Just kidding.

  22. highonlowe 12/05/2006 at 4:47 PM #

    My point is, people keep trying to turn this into a fiasco, but it hasn’t turned out like that. Fowler has run his mouth (and King), but this is nothing compared to the public rejections in April. And I think Fowler bashing is getting a little cliche.
    Don’t take me for a Fowler sunshiner, b/c I definitely am not. But That being said, I’m focusing on the actual candidates, not who’s interviewing him.

  23. beowolf 12/05/2006 at 4:55 PM #

    I’m more confident in this coaching search at this point in time than I ever was with the basketball search at a comparable moment.

    Lord knows that during the Beilien/Lavin/Kruger/etc. silly stage of the search, I cringed at every new announcement. When Beilien walked out, it seemed like the sun had broken unexpectedly. And then when talk centered on Lowe … *whew*

  24. LSUTigerFan 12/05/2006 at 4:59 PM #

    I think Fisher would be a good hire for you guys, but I have serious doubts about the package deal.

    No offense or slight intended to NC State, UNC, or Dave Glenn, but Pellini is in position at LSU to step up to a head coaching position, if not this year then next year. We only start 3 seniors on defense, and experienced depth is there to fill those slots. The point being, he can come back to LSU next year, win 10+ games, have a nationally ranked defense, and still be at the top of everyone’s list for a head coaching job. If he goes to State, even if things turn around in one year, he’s not likely to position himself any better than he already is at LSU.

  25. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 12/05/2006 at 5:02 PM #

    At Amato announcement:

    “Our search will be national in scope and we will begin the process through a search firm very quickly.”

    -L. Fowler

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