Pack Rugby – NC Champions!

For an ex-high school and college rugby player like me, this is great news: The N.C. State Rugby Club has won the North Carolina state championship. Even better, they did this by beating perennial NC rugby powerhouse UNC, who led them at halftime per a fine article in The Technician (linked below).

It’s interesting – and gratifying – that much of the athletic success at N.C. State of late comes from the ranks of club sports teams. Our hockey club appears to be tearing up the ice and our bass fishing club team came home with the championship in that sport.

Funny thing: we often hear excuse-mongering from the Department of Athletics that our often woeful non-revenue teams would be competitive if they had “better facilities,â€? no matter that glitzed-up Carter-Finley is known as “Carter Friendlyâ€? in the ACC (and I’ll let you guess why). Give us better soccer fields, they say, and our teams won’t end up seeded on the bottom in both the men’s and women’s tournaments.

The club teams, though, win without fancy facilities. The rugby club, again down at the half against UNC, manned up and beat the Smurfs with pure determination and guts. They didn’t whine that UNC Rugby is classified as Division I, per The Technician, and State is officially a Division II club. They just toughed it up and won the game. The bass fishing club team likewise just went out and fished better than everybody else – and came home with the championship. No excuses about partial qualifiers or facilities there, either. And hockey? Hell, I don’t think we even have a rink for them.

And do you know what the best – or, given this is a Cardiff Giant column, worst – thing about the rugby victory is? According to The Technician, UNC Rugby gets $40,000 per year in financial support from the university. N.C. State rugby, the new state champions, received a whopping $1500 this year from Campus Recreation.

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“Gol-ol-olee, Sergeant! That’s less than ten percent of what UNC gets!”

Now again, our rugby players didn’t complain about this. But isn’t it pathetic that our school, which pays through the nose for inept varsity teams in sports such as, well, volleyball, can’t find a way to provide its successful club rugby team with, say, TEN percent of the funding UNC gives its team? Winning despite facilities is one thing. Absolute financial abandonment is quite the other. This disparity in resources is embarrassing and absurd. One only wonders what the disparity is in other club sports.

Surely our state champions, and our other winning club teams, deserve better than this.

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40 Responses to Pack Rugby – NC Champions!

  1. cornellpackfan 11/02/2006 at 12:53 AM #

    is this the mays kid that is a junior that you’re speaking of fred?

  2. redfred2 11/02/2006 at 1:03 AM #

    Woo HOO!!!

    Ranked #3 in his class so far, It’s 6’2″ 185lbs

    Yep, it’s Percy Garvin, soft plastic and top water specialist. Made an early commitment to join NCSU’s National Champoinship Bass Fishing team in 2008 just a little earlier today.

  3. redfred2 11/02/2006 at 1:13 AM #

    I started to leave that until late in the morning, but I knew everyone around here would be totally po’d at me. Plus SFN would probably revoke my posting privileges.

  4. redfred2 11/02/2006 at 1:16 AM #

    Sorry about that cornellpackfan, just kidding around.

  5. Lock 11/02/2006 at 8:37 AM #

    How’s the Ultimate club team doing? If I recall, they had won the national championship the year before I started at State.

  6. Pack Laddie 11/02/2006 at 10:38 AM #

    Actually, Title IX requires that the number of scholarships available to men and women reflect the percentages of the student body in general.

    If lacrosse were to come back, it would mean that there would have to be a women’s sport, or sports, providing an equal number of scholarships as lacrosse would provide.

    The problem that NC State, and all D-1 football schools have, is the 85 scholarships that football provides. When you have a general student population that is fairly balanced, those 85 are hard to balance with women’s scholarships.

    You still read of schools having to drop some men’s non-revenue sports, in order to comply with Title IX. Personally, I think it sucks, but that is the way it is.

  7. cfpack03 11/02/2006 at 10:42 AM #

    ok well, now I know….
    Congrats to the NCSU Bass Pack on their National Collegiate Bass Fishing Championship

  8. Trout 11/02/2006 at 10:50 AM #

    “Actually, Title IX requires that the number of scholarships available to men and women reflect the percentages of the student body in general.”

    NC State would, in theory, be able to add a men’s sport easier than UNC would, in terms of Title 9 compliance, because our ratio of men to women is higher than UNCs. NC State is probably around 55/45 men/women, while UNC is the reverse ratio.

  9. Pack Laddie 11/02/2006 at 10:53 AM #

    Trout, when we added softball, I remember hearing that two more womens sports were coming along, to keep us in compliance. One was field hockey, as I recall, and I forgot the other one.

    Still bugs me that by NCAA rule, womens basketball gets 14 scholarships, and the men only 13. Guess who pays the freakin bills between those two programs!

    And womens golf can give 6 scholarships, and mens golf only 4 and 1/2.

    I don’t get worked up about too much these days, but Title IX still bothers the hell out of me.

  10. Wolfman300 11/02/2006 at 12:13 PM #

    I know this is totally off the subject, but I’m not sure how else to share this. There is a story about Oliver Hoyte on the Dallas Cowboys website. I don’t know if this has been discussed here, but he may be taking on a consistent role as a fullback.

    http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=A607EB2E-EB8A-5B25-5F5D82C3B5241BB1

  11. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 11/02/2006 at 12:40 PM #

    One thing is clear is that the university needs to offer much more support to the club sports and the true ‘student-athletes’. I’m guessing if they increased funding ten fold it would still be less than many comperable universities. This probably would only be about $100,000 which is probably the close to the clipboard budget for the football program. These club sports should have accounts that at least covers the expense of traveling to participate in the name university.

  12. packpigskinfan23 11/02/2006 at 1:37 PM #

    I know I wish the Hockey team does get to play at Dorton… wish I had the money to donate. Anyone know someone with 5million to burn?!?! it would be nice to have our own hockey rink!!!!

    maybe Rod Brind’Amour would like to give a bit!?!?!?!
    after all… he is a State fan!!

  13. redfred2 11/02/2006 at 3:06 PM #

    ^tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc

    “if they increased funding ten fold it would still be less than many comperable universities.”

    If “who” increased funding? What are the sources and where exactly do those funds come?

    I do not know, just asking.

    I find it hard to believe, even though I do not doubt it for one second, that with all the hype about and contributions and great revenues, and all of the talk about being in the black and profitable, that NCSU cannot afford to offer at least 95% of what all of the comparable schools do.

    What is up with that???

  14. Trout 11/02/2006 at 4:12 PM #

    “sources” would be student activity fees, I think,

  15. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 11/02/2006 at 4:44 PM #

    Next time you are considering writting a check to the university make it out to your favorite club team. Seems to me that the WPC could kick a little money into the club teams. A few thousand dollars with most of these clubs would make a big differences.

    Some of these teams will travel to tournaments riding 10 in a minivan, to go play in the rain then get a little sleep in the van between games then pile 15 people in a hotel room or stay at a player’s family house to get up and play again in the morning the drive back to Raleigh.

    They do it because they love the sport and are proud to represent NC State all over the region. A few bucks in their accounts goes along way to getting two hotel rooms or paying for gas in a another car or two.

    I guess it is more or less the minor league life.

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