No Contract For Neinas? Say It Ain’t So, “Coach”

I may be overreacting, but a comment reported in today’s News & Observer causes some real concern about the coaching search.

NC State Athletic Director Lee Fowler, who stumblebummed through the Sidney Lowe hiring some months back, told the newspaper that, “[h]e has talked with Chuck Neinas, a Colorado-based headhunter who helped North Carolina hire Butch Davis, about the search but said there was no contract with Neinas.”

Now, while this is not specifically contrary to Fowler’s previous announcement that NC State would use a “search firm” for the hire, it seems odd, to say the least, that one would employ a search firm without a contract for that firm’s work.

Odder still is the recent report from the Charlotte Observer on the matter, which suggests a more concrete role for Nienas in the search:

Unlike the school’s basketball search, which athletics director Lee Fowler conducted on his own, N.C. State will use a consultant. Chuck Neinas of Neinas Sports Services in Colorado, who helped North Carolina hire Davis, will help Fowler gauge the interest of coaches and negotiate.

Perhaps, as a lawyer, I am hung up on the term “contract.” But let’s face it: most fans anticipated (and expected) that Fowler would not take the lead in this search given the university’s public humiliation the last time Fowler tried to hire a major coach. And in the Lowe case “Coach” Fowler was dealing with a sport he’d actually played and coached.

A scenario where Neinas merely acts as a sounding board for Fowler suggests a far more significant decision-making role for “Coach” than I am comfortable with. Simply put, there is nothing about Fowler’s work last time around – nor, in fact, in general – that makes one feel warm and cozy at the thought of him calling the shots for such an important hire.

And I’m not alone in that opinion. Even discounting the “lunatic fringe” (translation: loyal fans and alumni) members who openly concur that the prospect of Fowler running this search gives them the willies, consider today’s comment from, of all sources, Al Myatt of Bonesville.com:

Given the spectacle of N.C. State’s recent venture in hiring a basketball coach, Wolfpack athletic director Lee Fowler might do well to put Neinas on his speed dial as a successor to Chuck Amato is sought. Had that phone call been made after Herb Sendek left for Arizona State, the Pack would have been saved the suspense and agony of missing on high profile types such as John Calipari of Memphis and Rick Barnes of Texas.

Myatt also noted with approval how UNC’s Dick Baddour learned his lesson after the Beamer and Roy Williams fiascos – resulting in the Butch Davis home run. In contrast, there’s more than a whiff of evidence that Fowler still doesn’t get it; the public rejection of NC State feelers by god-candidate Bill Cowher has a depressingly familiar similarity to the Barnes turndown earlier in the year.

And of course, “Coach” being “Coach,” Fowler just took time out to blather to The Technician that other than finding a new football coach, it’s those dratted Internet fans that are – are you ready for this? – the biggest challenge for NC State athletics:

But other than that, the biggest challenge? It’s probably the message boards on the Internet. There is so much negative stuff coming off the boards, and I think that drives the newspapers. Then the papers are constantly chasing stuff that’s being talked about on the Internet. But I think that’s the biggest challenge facing all ADs.

There are so many people on the Internet, and you never know who they are. You don’t know if they are affiliated with N.C. State in any way.

Listen up, “Coach,” and listen well: I’m “affiliated” with NC State through the degree that hangs on my wall, among other items – an affiliation which, I note in passing, you lack. And based solely on your past performance, I don’t believe you are the best person to take the lead on this coaching search.

One cascade of national humiliation is quite enough, thank you.

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189 Responses to No Contract For Neinas? Say It Ain’t So, “Coach”

  1. WestCoast 11/30/2006 at 5:41 PM #

    It must be a Five Points thing.

  2. skywalkerdt 11/30/2006 at 5:44 PM #

    give me the vista, given the flying saucer probably arrived after your time.

  3. Mr O 11/30/2006 at 5:45 PM #

    RAWFS: Unreal. BC has a heck of a program. Did he come from Navy with George Welsh to UVA?

    I am going to post that over Packpride.

  4. Cardiff Giant 11/30/2006 at 5:51 PM #

    Incidentally, if you check out some of the other boards, the inevitable comparisons to Jed’s stumblebum handling of the basketball coach search are already flying thick and fast.

    But it’s the INTERNET that’s the biggest challenge to NC State, right, Lee?

  5. jbwbubba 11/30/2006 at 5:54 PM #

    I have feeling that PJ is going to be the guy and we are waiting for the Army/Navy game to be over with before anything goes public. OF course it could still be Jimbo and are having very quiet talks with him. But Chow says no one has contacted him, but that ASU has contacted him. If I recall correctly Fowler was criticized in the spring for a “shotgun” approach early on in the BB search. Perhaps he is trying to avoid that mistake now by going one coach at a time. Which of course can create its on problems.

  6. skywalkerdt 11/30/2006 at 5:54 PM #

    nothing anyone can do about people referencing that. just hope it stays quiet virtually until they announce the new coach

  7. WestCoast 11/30/2006 at 5:58 PM #

    I don’t this at all being like the bball search at this point. What else is going on with LF to make it seem so this time round? He’s not talking, right?

  8. Woof Wolf 11/30/2006 at 5:58 PM #

    I prefer at this point to pretend Jed doesn’t exist and hope this comes out okay. It’s really scary when you guys mention that he might be in charge.

  9. skywalkerdt 11/30/2006 at 6:01 PM #

    if pj is the hire i say good. not a bad track record with service academy coaches (bob knight for example). just hire an assistant who is rock solid with recruiting. bringing larry harris back to the basketball program for example

  10. Wolfpack4ever 11/30/2006 at 6:03 PM #

    Wolfpack4ever Says:

    November 29th, 2006 at 9:07 pm

    I don’t remember seeing where it was said by LF that he had hired Neinas. Did I miss something there?

  11. Running Wolf 11/30/2006 at 6:04 PM #

    Just a general question…anybody know how many members we have in the WPC?

  12. Mike 11/30/2006 at 6:04 PM #

    Couple thoughts as I read through the blogs. It might be we contacted Neinas and he said no, so we are looking at other firms and a contract has not been signed YET. I do not work for a serach firm, but I promise we do nothing hoping for a contract on the back side. Sign, and we will do the work.

    Some of you are saying we hope for a Sid Lowe to fall out of the sky as our fallback. Here is our fallback:

    Press conference to be announced soon: From the desk of Lee Fowler – We found our guy, and he has an established track record at a D1 BCS school as DC, and well thought of in that capacity. Last time I checked, he had a house in Raleigh, not far CF. And anyway, I did not want to let him go, this was done against my wishes. We have changed our mind and we have decided to hire Chuck Amato as our head football coach.

  13. Mike 11/30/2006 at 6:07 PM #

    oh yeah, and lee’s comment about the internet fans. That ranks right up there with Bobby Bowden’s comment about the toughest thing is those people read EBay and email.

  14. WestCoast 11/30/2006 at 6:09 PM #

    Anything on the Logan Zone today?

  15. cpwolfpackfan 11/30/2006 at 6:11 PM #

    let phlip rives coach the team, hell he pretty much coached it the 4 years he was here, coach us on saturdays play on sundays!!

  16. OwenDorm83 11/30/2006 at 6:17 PM #

    ditto for me:

    Listen up, “Coach,” and listen well: I’m “affiliated” with NC State through the degree that hangs on my wall, among other items – an affiliation which, I note in passing, you lack. And based solely on your past performance, I don’t believe you are the best person to take the lead on this coaching search.

  17. cpwolfpackfan 11/30/2006 at 6:25 PM #

    i would really like to know something that is going on, it is scary becasue of how quite it is. You can almost hear crickets churping in the background. no rumors other than the cower stuff but that is expected. someone has had to have heard something. come on state fans nation, noting at all???

  18. WestCoast 11/30/2006 at 6:28 PM #

    It’s the calm before the storm….SFN is preparing for something big. Have to be, it’s just been too quiet…I agree.

  19. jbwbubba 11/30/2006 at 6:34 PM #

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    I agree it is very quiet. In the Spring we had Rick Barnes on his way, turning us down, reconsidering and Calipari on the line by this time. WRAL didn’t even mention us tonight that I saw or last night. Would like to know something. At least that we are in contact with people and trying to hire someone.

  20. cpwolfpackfan 11/30/2006 at 6:36 PM #

    i don’t want lies or anything, but you know there are people who know people that know something. I just can’t believe that nothing has been said today

  21. Cardiff Giant 11/30/2006 at 6:39 PM #

    I know nothing but this: The Army Navy game is this weekend. You can extrapolate from that as you wish. You know as much as I know now.

  22. highstick 11/30/2006 at 6:49 PM #

    Spurrier has at least two sons, one is an assistant at South Carolina and the other is a “walk on” if that answers that question for you.

    The other thing missing is that Spurrier has donated something the in range of $150,000 back to SC for the athletic facility expansion and upgrade. That would indicate quite a committment back to USC.

    You guys are forgetting, that “Fowler knows basketball, and football, and women’s volleyball!” If what SFN is saying is right about no contract and Lee is running the show, I’ve had it with everyone associated with the State administration and Wolfpack Club. I hope they haven’t totally lost their minds! And Lee, if you’re lurking on the message boards….Kiss my royal ass and go away!!!

  23. WestCoast 11/30/2006 at 6:54 PM #

    highstick…relax my friend. Everything’s going to be fine. No one is perfect. Who ever we get will be a lot better than what we had this past season.

  24. highonlowe 11/30/2006 at 7:06 PM #

    Guys, this is from Tuesday’s Football Update:
    We are expecting this “search” to be pretty quick and pretty painless.

    It now looks as thought things are evolving as it has appeared they would – if Bill Cowher says no then Paul Johnson is the man.

    “Search” in quotes, inferring this isn’t a true search for candidates. If not Cowher, then PJ. What’s unclear about this?

  25. legacyman 11/30/2006 at 7:11 PM #

    “Who ever we get will be a lot better than what we had this past season.”

    Don’t believe anyone has one iota of data to support this claim. If you mean that you will be happy regardless of the new guy then fine.

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