No Contract For Neinas? Say It Ain’t So, “Coach”

I may be overreacting, but a comment reported in today’s News & Observer causes some real concern about the coaching search.

NC State Athletic Director Lee Fowler, who stumblebummed through the Sidney Lowe hiring some months back, told the newspaper that, “[h]e has talked with Chuck Neinas, a Colorado-based headhunter who helped North Carolina hire Butch Davis, about the search but said there was no contract with Neinas.”

Now, while this is not specifically contrary to Fowler’s previous announcement that NC State would use a “search firm” for the hire, it seems odd, to say the least, that one would employ a search firm without a contract for that firm’s work.

Odder still is the recent report from the Charlotte Observer on the matter, which suggests a more concrete role for Nienas in the search:

Unlike the school’s basketball search, which athletics director Lee Fowler conducted on his own, N.C. State will use a consultant. Chuck Neinas of Neinas Sports Services in Colorado, who helped North Carolina hire Davis, will help Fowler gauge the interest of coaches and negotiate.

Perhaps, as a lawyer, I am hung up on the term “contract.” But let’s face it: most fans anticipated (and expected) that Fowler would not take the lead in this search given the university’s public humiliation the last time Fowler tried to hire a major coach. And in the Lowe case “Coach” Fowler was dealing with a sport he’d actually played and coached.

A scenario where Neinas merely acts as a sounding board for Fowler suggests a far more significant decision-making role for “Coach” than I am comfortable with. Simply put, there is nothing about Fowler’s work last time around – nor, in fact, in general – that makes one feel warm and cozy at the thought of him calling the shots for such an important hire.

And I’m not alone in that opinion. Even discounting the “lunatic fringe” (translation: loyal fans and alumni) members who openly concur that the prospect of Fowler running this search gives them the willies, consider today’s comment from, of all sources, Al Myatt of Bonesville.com:

Given the spectacle of N.C. State’s recent venture in hiring a basketball coach, Wolfpack athletic director Lee Fowler might do well to put Neinas on his speed dial as a successor to Chuck Amato is sought. Had that phone call been made after Herb Sendek left for Arizona State, the Pack would have been saved the suspense and agony of missing on high profile types such as John Calipari of Memphis and Rick Barnes of Texas.

Myatt also noted with approval how UNC’s Dick Baddour learned his lesson after the Beamer and Roy Williams fiascos – resulting in the Butch Davis home run. In contrast, there’s more than a whiff of evidence that Fowler still doesn’t get it; the public rejection of NC State feelers by god-candidate Bill Cowher has a depressingly familiar similarity to the Barnes turndown earlier in the year.

And of course, “Coach” being “Coach,” Fowler just took time out to blather to The Technician that other than finding a new football coach, it’s those dratted Internet fans that are – are you ready for this? – the biggest challenge for NC State athletics:

But other than that, the biggest challenge? It’s probably the message boards on the Internet. There is so much negative stuff coming off the boards, and I think that drives the newspapers. Then the papers are constantly chasing stuff that’s being talked about on the Internet. But I think that’s the biggest challenge facing all ADs.

There are so many people on the Internet, and you never know who they are. You don’t know if they are affiliated with N.C. State in any way.

Listen up, “Coach,” and listen well: I’m “affiliated” with NC State through the degree that hangs on my wall, among other items – an affiliation which, I note in passing, you lack. And based solely on your past performance, I don’t believe you are the best person to take the lead on this coaching search.

One cascade of national humiliation is quite enough, thank you.

General

189 Responses to No Contract For Neinas? Say It Ain’t So, “Coach”

  1. crackdog 11/30/2006 at 12:17 PM #

    quote: We dont have a football version of Sid to save Jed this time.

    Well, unless you want to count Shane Montgomery at Miami (OH). He’s Sidney without the national championship and professional experience.

  2. Mr O 11/30/2006 at 12:19 PM #

    UNC hiring Neinas had absolutely ZERO to do with Butch Davis taking the job. It was known that UNC made BD an offer and he waited several days before finally commiting to the offer.

    If he had turned it down, then the whole world would have STILL known that BD turned down UNC.

    What made UNC’s search successful was that they had a candidate who WANTED to accept their position. They weren’t shooting for a Spurrier/Stoops/Meyer who would have turned down their job just as fast as Cowher/Calipari/Barnes turned down our job.

    What type of candidate do you want NC State to shoot for? One that is certain/very likely to take the job or guys that are more qualified and more accomplished coaches? Do you want us to go for a single/double or do you want us to swing for the fences?

    With Butch Davis, UNC didn’t swing for the fences. They went after a coach who had been out of coaching for two years and was looking for opportunities this year to get back into coaching. They just so happened to have an absolutely horrible season, which people at UNC weren’t expecting, cut their losses early and moved on BD early. BD is a great hire for UNC, but again they went after a coach that was certain/very likely to take their job.

    It didn’t happen because of Neinas. It happened because they are an attractive program and all the stars and moons aligned to make actually landing Davis a high probability.

    The consultant route isn’t the “magic potion” to landing a coach. We could have never gone after Cowher and hired a sure thing in a single day. But that isn’t necessarily what is best for NC State football. Personally, I am more concerned with hiring the best coach that will take our job than I am what people in the media or our rivals think if a guy like Bill Cowher turns us down.

  3. packbackr04 11/30/2006 at 12:20 PM #

    clarksa^i hear you but other schools are already all over our recruits. we need to hold on to all of these players unless Jed has plans to relaese them from their LOI’s like he did Davis and Werner, Lee is such a toolbag

  4. packbackr04 11/30/2006 at 12:22 PM #

    pack laddie, i will say that the bookstore at ASU has seen and sold much more ASU gear in the past few years than it had before , as i went to undergrad there 200-2004. cars had bumper stickers on them all over town almost immediatlly after he took the job. i remember commenting on it to several friends up there who noted the same thing. Now that i am not there, i would have to say it appears he is doing a nice job.

  5. partialqualifier 11/30/2006 at 12:23 PM #

    redfred:

    That is too funny! A search firm to hire a search firm! LOL!

  6. Dan 11/30/2006 at 12:23 PM #

    “we need to hold on to all of these players unless Jed has plans to relaese them from their LOI’s like he did Davis and Werner, Lee is such a toolbag”

    None of these kids have even signed LOI’s. That doesnt happen until February. There is nothing anyone can do to force them to stay.

  7. packbackr04 11/30/2006 at 12:24 PM #

    BTW- anyone notice the Butch primetime TV intvw last night during the bball game. nice capitolization of FREE marketing… ANNABELLE SID WAS AT THE FSU AND BC nationally televised games and got ZERO PUB. keep up the good work annabelle!

  8. partialqualifier 11/30/2006 at 12:24 PM #

    Maybe we should hire Barnum & Bailey to do the search.

  9. old13 11/30/2006 at 12:25 PM #

    The biggest problem at this time is that Foulup is being allowed to talk to the press! I emailed Oblinger to get the leash back on (among other nicities!)

  10. ncsu96 11/30/2006 at 12:27 PM #

    you guys need to lighten up. The Cowher situation was inevitable and the media was going to ask him about the position no matter what. So basically nothing has happened so far, I really don’t think we’ll get denied in public this time (Cowher does not count).

    The media did not like Amato and he got a fair shake, so there is no backlash. Our facilities, LTR sales, BCS conf., and a weak ACC make us one of the most attractive jobs out there. I think we’ll get a good hire with no pain, only time will tell…

  11. Pack Laddie 11/30/2006 at 12:29 PM #

    ” ANNABELLE SID WAS AT THE FSU AND BC nationally televised games and got ZERO PUB. keep up the good work annabelle!”

    BS

    Sid did an interview with the sideline reporter during one of those games. Cannot recall which of the two it was.

    Some criticisms are valid, but you people lose credibility when you make stuff up.

  12. buttPACKer 11/30/2006 at 12:29 PM #

    yeah, i agree 96. . . thanks for the smack to the face

  13. buttPACKer 11/30/2006 at 12:30 PM #

    . . . in the sense that i (we) were getting hysterical

  14. partialqualifier 11/30/2006 at 12:32 PM #

    buttPacker getting a slap to the face….

    Hmmmm…am I still in StateFansNation?

  15. buttPACKer 11/30/2006 at 12:34 PM #

    a bit of low-brow levity.

  16. buttPACKer 11/30/2006 at 12:37 PM #
  17. Lock 11/30/2006 at 12:37 PM #

    ncsu96: Was about to say the same thing. Thanks for beating me to it. I think everybody’s a little bummed over the BC thing, but it was bound to happen and things will work out. Our setup is too good for us NOT to be appealing to the right people.

  18. buttPACKer 11/30/2006 at 12:39 PM #

    and a feather boa.

  19. 4PackinMB 11/30/2006 at 12:41 PM #

    Didn’t Jack Del Rio say today that he wasn’t interested in the Bama job? Any difference in that and Cowher telling us he isn’t interested? I don’t think that harmed anything…..Fowler, on the other hand……

  20. RAWFS 11/30/2006 at 12:45 PM #

    “8 From there I’m not sure. We dont have a football version of Sid to save Jed this time.”

    8. Jim Donnan.

    (I hope not, I don’t like the guy.)

  21. buttPACKer 11/30/2006 at 12:46 PM #

    We have indeed won a championship!!!

    check this out:
    http://www.capitalonebowl.com/Standings.aspx?playoffs=false

    Mr. Wuf has won the mascot challenge regular season title, and is now in the finals.

    GO PACK!

  22. tvbman 11/30/2006 at 12:52 PM #

    Why would any good coach want to come to NC State and work for Lee Fowler? Perhaps all the high profile and humiliating rejections during the bball and (now) football coaching searches are because coaches understand his incompetence and refuse to work for him.

  23. Woof Wolf 11/30/2006 at 12:58 PM #

    Does Mr. Wuf know anything about football?

  24. jbwbubba 11/30/2006 at 1:01 PM #

    Someone on another board pointed out that the sitch with Neinas, may be because Cowher was the number one guy, and why sign a contract with Neinas when Cowher is the guy you want and you have plenty of ways to contact him about the job. Now that Cowher says no, Neinas might get a contract and starting working the job for us.

  25. foz 11/30/2006 at 1:09 PM #

    On an unrelated note, I just ran into the UCLA women’s soccer team in downtown Raliegh (here to play UNC tommorrow in Cary). All I can say is WOW! Nice lunchbreak.

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