Mayo Signs with USC; Is a JUCO PG the Answer for State?

OJ Mayo signs with USC thereby ending any hope/speculation that Mayo could re-open his recruiting. Additionally, potential combo-guard target Jordan Crawford signed with Indiana.

SFN is going to share a full-blown basketball roster and scholarship analysis in the coming days. When you see the work, you will note the primary remaining hole in the Wolfpack’s roster for the near future is at point guard.

Currently, the Wolfpack projects to rely on combo-athlete Fernold Degand to run the show at the point next year and into the near future. Degand will be a sophomore who has never played a collegiate game when he becomes eligible next year. Additionally, State currently projects to have no back-up to Degand at the point unless freshman Trevor Ferguson steps into this role.

We don’t think that NC State’s program should be built exclusively on on Junior College players like, for example, Cincinnati who brought in SIX Juco’s this year to fill the holes on their roster (without any national criticism). But, the current situation with NC State’s roster and program may be exactly what JUCOs offer to a program.

Would Sidney Lowe and NC State consider this route for use of a 4th scholarship in the class of 2007 despite our past endorsement to save this scholarship for the future?

As partialqualifier noted in our comments section, we don’t want to put the cart before the horse here:

(Lowe) is seeing Ferguson and Degand in practice. Not to take away from any of our vast knowledge of babsketball, but I would take Sidney Lowe’s evaluation of point guard play over any of our’s any day of the week and three times on Sunday!

It should go without saying that if the coaching staff believes that Degand and Ferguson have enough talent to effectively fill the position then that is fantastic! But, at this point there is very little information in the public domain to support fans making this conclusion until we see/hear more about the two players. With this said, a solution to this potential hole in the Wolfpack’s roster could very well be a junior college point guard. The use of a scholarship for only two years for the right point guard could pay tremendous dividends on the court in the next two years.

Like we say, we will have much more on the scholarship analysis in the coming days…but we wanted to throw this out to you to see if it generates any thoughts and/or any perspective on current juco point guards about which we currently have zero knowledge.

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47 Responses to Mayo Signs with USC; Is a JUCO PG the Answer for State?

  1. TNCSU 11/16/2006 at 10:31 AM #

    SFN: “…current juco point guards about which we currently have zero knowledge.”

    SAY IT AIN’T SO! No way you guys have zero knowledge on JUCO PG’s, this is where we come to get all the information! Dig something up – even if it’s rumor!

  2. yannes 11/16/2006 at 10:39 AM #

    “Additionally, State currently projects to have no back-up to Degand at the point.”

    Except Grant who is showing that he can be a viable back-up Engin (even though this isn’t the most desirable position for Grant).

    And possibly Ferguson, who is said to be a good ball-handler. At the very least he should be able to bring it up the court.

    There are a lot of successful D-I teams out there without even ONE true PG, so I wouldn’t worry too much about not having a back-up for Degand. We can hold out for a year until we have Degand and Mays.

  3. Mr O 11/16/2006 at 11:02 AM #

    I don’t know anything specifically, but there is a lot of speculation that Grant won’t be back for his senior season. He faces the deportation issue plus he is a pretty interesting NBA prospect. IMO, he is a better prospect than Julius Hodge.

  4. TNCSU 11/16/2006 at 11:03 AM #

    Jai Lucas would look to be a good choice – I liked his dad at Maryland, but he doesn’t have us listed anywhere – not that that means much.

    That’s the only one I see not committed. JUCO may be the way to go (i.e. Nate and Spud) They sure didn’t turn out too bad!!

  5. newt 11/16/2006 at 11:06 AM #

    I thought you were forgettin Julius Mays, but he’s two years off isn’t he?

    SFN: Yep. Two years off. Will only be a freshman then. Is currently considered more of a “combo” guard. And is still somewhat of an unknown.

  6. ncsu96 11/16/2006 at 11:11 AM #

    are there even any decent Juco PGs out there?

  7. choppack1 11/16/2006 at 11:12 AM #

    Well, I think it’s pretty hard to sell our current gig to a good PG and a lot of Juco PGs have pretty extensive baggage. I kind of favor signing a good combo guard. If what I’ve read is accurate, Degande is a true PG, so what we probably really need is a great shooter w/ a solid handle. If there’s a JUCO out there or post grad out there who fit the billing and isn’t going to bring us headaches, I’d like to have him.

  8. PackPride83 11/16/2006 at 11:16 AM #

    Come on guys… do you HONESTLY think that Coach Lowe has simply overlooked this issue? Probably a good idea, instead of going off the deep end, to let Coach Lowe do his job.

    SFN: WTF are you talking about? How do you read this conversation starter as an indictment that indicates that we don’t think that anyone has thought of this?

    There were options out there for scholarships to be offered – do you think there might have been a reason why they weren’t? While all of this second guessing (bordering on panic) might seem fun and worthwhile… it portrays a negative image of the program and its fans. It’s one thing to be enthusiastic supporters, but….

    SFN: We are only leaving this drivel on the site as great example of the type of stupid shit that we delete here.

    (1) If you cant pass a reading comprehension course, don’t post.

    (2) If you want to criticize us on our own blog, don’t post.

    (3) If you want to create arguments about strawman topics that don’t exist, don’t post.

  9. RickJ 11/16/2006 at 11:18 AM #

    I like the idea of waiting until spring. This gives the staff all season to evaluate high school senior and JC sophomore point guards. Maybe someone will get a lot better or unexpectedly qualify that will be the answer.

    One of the funniest things I read concerning Tracy Smith’s commitment was that he had received a phone call from OJ Simpson on behalf of USC. This was later corrected to be OJ Mayo. This made me feel good about Smith as Tim Floyd is a great evaluator of talent.

  10. partialqualifier 11/16/2006 at 11:46 AM #

    I thought this issue was discussed the other day.

    Next year we will have 2 serviceable point guards with Ferguson backing up Degand. It will not be the absolute best point guard combination, as Ferguson may be more of a combo guard (tho he did average nearly 9 assists a game as a Senior in HS). This situation will not be ideal by any stretch of the imagination, but to spend another scholarship when you have Julius Mays coming in 08 doesnt make a lot of sense.

    What I think Lowe is doing is this: He’ll get to evaluate Ferguson this spring during ACC play. He’ll get to see Mays for another season in HS. If Mays continues down the path some people think he will (ie Top 50 or 60 caliber) then Lowe wont do anything except what I said above. Obviously if Mays doesnt make that improvement then Lowe will have to look at a potential Juco.

    Again, Lowe was a point guard. If you hear some of the things he says when talking about this being Atsur’s team and that Atsur is the leader on the floor…there is no question in my mind that he FULLY understands the importance of point guard play. Plus he is seeing Ferguson and Degand in practice. Not to take away from any of our vast knowledge of babsketball, but I would take Sidney Lowe’s evaluation of point guard play over any of our’s any day of the week and three times on Sunday!

    SFN: ^These comments are great. IF he thinks that Degand and Ferguson have enough talent to effectively fill the position then that is fine. To be fair…to this point, there is little information in the public domain to support this conclusion, however.

  11. Rochester 11/16/2006 at 11:59 AM #

    So was O.J. Mayo the mystery recruit? The message seems to have changed from “maybe we’ll have an exciting mystery recruit” to “let’s go sign a juco point guard now that O.J. Mayo’s going to USC.”

  12. stlouiswufpacker 11/16/2006 at 12:10 PM #

    Rico Pickett (Bama PG commit) was one of the mystery recruits.

    SFN: LOL! Rico Pickett wasn’t much of a mystery

  13. EdoubleE 11/16/2006 at 12:17 PM #

    http://www.sjcd.edu/central/athletics/men_basketball/14.shtml

    JUCO who had interest in State a few years ago, Booker Woodfox. My feeling is that with Degand and Ferguson next year at a minimum they can hold it down until Mays gets here. Plus I believe Grant will stay for his senior year, Hodge did, I bet he will as well. I’d rather they hold the scholarship for a potential elite athlete, at any of the guard/wing posistions.

  14. yannes 11/16/2006 at 12:50 PM #

    “So was O.J. Mayo the mystery recruit?”
    LOL! Some would like you to believe that, wouldn’t they?

    “SFN: Yep. Two years off. Will only be a freshman then. Is currently considered more of a “comboâ€? guard. And is still somewhat of an unknown.”
    Aren’t pretty much all college point guards considered combo guards in high school? And aren’t pretty much all high schoolers “somewhat of an unknown” this early in their careers?

    Sorry for some many rhetorical questions.

    SFN: Great points. Point is that contributions that may come from Mays are years away and are certainly not guaranteed. A JUCO PG helps fill in the gap and provide a bride to Mays.

  15. cpwolfpackfan 11/16/2006 at 12:59 PM #

    i just hope we can keep tracy smith and he dosen’t want to follow oj mayo out to usc, i would love to get this kid signed as soon as possible. A verbal means nothing these days

    SFN: If Tracy Smith was going to follow OJ to USC then he wouldn’t have announced so early for us.

  16. GAWolf 11/16/2006 at 1:03 PM #

    Are there any Chris Paul’s in the junior class this year? As in, are there any guys that play the point that will likely come in and play a year, maybe two, and be good enough to go pro?

  17. cpwolfpackfan 11/16/2006 at 1:06 PM #

    were else is lowe looking to go in 2008 if we have more scholys, if grant leaves or something like that? and also, is Rashad green coming or not? I have heard yes and also heard no?

  18. StateFans 11/16/2006 at 1:10 PM #

    We have updated this entry to be a little more comprehensive/specific and explicitly state some things that we thought were somewhat obvious even left unsaid.

  19. PackPride83 11/16/2006 at 1:21 PM #

    I apologize StateFans – my post was not directed at you, but at the people responding. Little touchy response there though. If the intent is NOT to be able to respond to others then I misunderstood… and will not post anymore.

    Apologies….

  20. yannes 11/16/2006 at 1:26 PM #

    “were else is lowe looking to go in 2008 if we have more scholys, if grant leaves or something like that? and also, is Rashad green coming or not? I have heard yes and also heard no?”

    Gavin will be a Senior next season (2007-2008). Him leaving early will have no effect on the available schollies for the 2008 recruiting class. I have heard that Green will sign in the spring and that he has interest in the Big East as well from us.

    “SFN: Great points. Point is that contributions that may come from Mays are years away and are certainly not guaranteed. A JUCO PG helps fill in the gap and provide a bride to Mays.”

    Oh I agree. Mays is two seasons away, so he obviously can’t help us next season (and will probably back-up Degand as a freshman). Any depth (even a JuCo PG) can’t hurt and will probably help, but I don’t think that it is as necessary as some out here think. We will be good next year with or without more guard depth.

  21. StateFans 11/16/2006 at 1:27 PM #

    ^ PackPride83,

    We appreciate the follow-up a bunch!! Sincerely!! Thanks.

    We now have over 1,200 registered folks — which include a lot of Tarheels and Pirates. So, the policing of the site gets pretty exhausting. Sorry for the tone. Just always looking to send stern messages.

  22. nycfan 11/16/2006 at 1:29 PM #

    Much like HS players, most D-1 quality JuCos available to play next seaon have already committed at this point. There was not a potential high major star PG available in any event (at least based on what I’ve read), but there are really slim pickings left now.

    With top talent able to turn pro early until this season and the possibility of Jucos turning pro early, as well, there are almost no “star” quality players trickling out of Jucos anymore.

  23. primacyone 11/16/2006 at 2:34 PM #

    From everything I’ve seen Gavin Grant is one fine point guard. Really. I acutally think they may plan on have Degand and Grant share the point.

    Ferguson can bring the ball up the floor, but from what I have seen he is pure shooting guard and will not be running the the halfcourt offense.

    Gavin Grant has demonstrated to me that he can be one fine point guard. A scoring point guard for sure, but he can run the offense and he can create offensive opportunites for others.

    It’s still possilbe they may even sign another forward Mike Scott. I see that as another indication they are building a very tall very fast team and will use Gavin more at the point. Just a possible scenerio on this idea, but I’m starting to see it as a possiblity worth sharing versus somehthing I jsut dreamed up.

  24. class of 74 11/16/2006 at 3:09 PM #

    I’ll start worrying when the staff starts acting worried. Those cats know better than any of us on who and what we need personnel wise. So far I’m thrilled with what they’ve accomplished is so short a period of time. I can’t see going after Juco’s unless we are really behind the eight ball.

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