Wake Forest 25, NC State 23

General NCS Football120

On a beautiful day for football in Raleigh, Wake Forest kicks 3 50 yarders to down the Wolfpack.

Couple Saturday afternoon thoughts for the blog:
-Great day for football. Noon games stink.
-Late arriving crowd, got into the game in the 2nd quarter.
-You would think a TD saving safety would be a good thing.
-Please kill the cartoon on the jumbotron before the game.
-Andre Brown is clearly better than Toney Baker, but Baker had a lot more touches in the second half.
-The second half play calling was a C+ at best. I would run Brown before Baker on first down
-One day we will “chip” a DE on a screen pass
-Jim Grobe is a great coach and hopefully he will get the hell out of Winston Salem
-Deraney didn’t have his “A” game today
-Mike Nugent Jr. had a great game
-John Bunting will be fired sometime soon
-If we lose to UNC it will be a death blow to Amato
-The 330PM game selection this saturday is awful.
-Officials missed a clear late hit on Andre Brown’s long run in the 4th quarter.

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120 Responses to Wake Forest 25, NC State 23

  1. packpigskinfan23 10/15/2006 at 4:26 PM #

    so we lose one tough game, and Chuch needs to go again?! you guys are insane….

  2. packpigskinfan23 10/15/2006 at 4:27 PM #

    Chuck… excuse me.

  3. Wolfpack4ever 10/15/2006 at 4:49 PM #

    packpigskinfan23 Says: “so we lose one tough game, and Chuch needs to go again?! you guys are insane….”

    Maybe this is what Fowler meant when he called us the lunatic fringe.

  4. Woof Wolf 10/15/2006 at 4:52 PM #

    I went back through the thread and I couldn’t find where any one said to fire the coach. I would like to see some better results. A change of philosphy might help.

  5. blpack 10/15/2006 at 5:34 PM #

    Harvey talked about playing Wake’s style and Wake making you do certain things. One of you football guys help me, someone who didn’t play, why didn’t we throw it deep at least a couple times? Instead of taking what they give, what about taking what we want?

  6. Woof Wolf 10/15/2006 at 7:04 PM #

    1st Q: The coach.

    2nd Q: What a novel concept. Wonder why anyone making more than $1M a year to coach football never thought of that.

  7. Wolfpack4ever 10/15/2006 at 7:55 PM #

    Woof Wolf Says: “Amato is 25-26 against the ACC; 4-3 against Wake; & 3-3 aginst UNC; After Phillip those numbers are 8-11; 1-2, & 0-2.

    And some of you are happy with that???”

    No. And like any child, I think that if I am not happy somebody should be fired.

  8. packpigskinfan23 10/15/2006 at 7:59 PM #

    ^WoofWolf I think its safe to say you have implied it(firing the coach) at least 3 times in this thread already…

    but thats right, since I say we should have thrown the ball down feild at least a couple of times to play on our strengths, “I dont know anything” according to RickJ… I must be dumb and misreading your comments on Amato.

  9. Woof Wolf 10/15/2006 at 8:29 PM #

    I want a different approach,
    not a different coach.

  10. Wolfpack4ever 10/15/2006 at 8:57 PM #

    What approach do you want? The Herb Sendek motion offense (mis-direction) with the backdoor cuts (reverses) that enable teams with lesser talent to win against equal teams? We think Grobe invented sliced bread because he is often successful in THIS league. Grobe is a very smart coach because he wins with the hand he is dealt. How many Andre Browns and Toney Bakers would go to a school to be redshirted? Not Adrian Peterson or that idiot ex-Ohio State running back.

    We want to have our cake and eat it too. We want to compete on the national stage yet want offenses that are gimmicky and will not attract 5 star athletes, but, however, allow for “local” success. The Dukes and Tar Heels of football are the FSUs, Canes, VTs of our conference in their good years.

    Chuck is committed to winning at the highest level and he is going to have to play the game that it takes to win at that level. Even if he has to lose a few he might have won playing a different style.

  11. Woof Wolf 10/15/2006 at 9:12 PM #

    A couple of guys earlier in this thre
    “The play calling was samo samo from last year. One of our famous out cuts was resulted in a dropped INT right in the DB’s hands. Would have been a TD. Did we go to Geron James? Did we go deep at all.”

    “The only kind of offense we have been able to win with is one that throws the ball down the feild”

  12. Woof Wolf 10/15/2006 at 9:17 PM #

    ^”…thread said”

    Oos. TWI

    I’m only trying to agree with what you said earlier.

  13. packpigskinfan23 10/15/2006 at 9:35 PM #

    ^but I was of the understanding that has more to do with Marc Trestman than Chuck Amato…

    I understand that Amato makes mistakes… but hes got passion.

  14. brown pelican 10/15/2006 at 9:41 PM #

    grobe and his staff recruit kids to fit their scheme—they spend a ton of time checking into the character and demeanor of a kid before they offer—they find the kids with tremendous upside who might be ignored by the more established programs—kinda sounds like a formula that worked awful well in greenville sc and raleigh in the 80’s and 90’s with a guy named sheridan—the irony is that they passed on evans at the last minute—he’s the prototypical wake recruit given the above criteria—their loss—our gain—go pack—beat maryland

  15. Woof Wolf 10/15/2006 at 10:16 PM #

    “but I was of the understanding that has more to do with Marc Trestman than Chuck Amato…”

    The OC recommends the game plan, the HC accepts or rejects and modifies. I don’t care whose fault it is, or who the HC is. I just want to be better than eight or ninth in the conference. Look at the BCS rankings that came out today. That’s what we are plating for on Saturday

  16. Woof Wolf 10/15/2006 at 10:19 PM #

    ^”plaYing”

  17. packpigskinfan23 10/16/2006 at 3:23 AM #

    ^I have a feeling the plays dont make it through amato very often before they get on field…

    I dont the we are playing for eight or nineth in the conference either… we are playing for first in the division still, and I think that is DAMN good concidering our postion since week 2.

  18. 66pack 10/16/2006 at 8:18 AM #

    a division champ in a awful fb conference is not much to be proud about.we have wins over a very bad def team,a win over a very bad off. team and a 1aa team.and remember the statements after akron lost that akron would be a top 25 team -now 2-4.mediocrity seems to be in favor at ncsu.

  19. packpigskinfan23 10/16/2006 at 8:46 AM #

    ^what does that have to do with us possibly getting a division championship?!

  20. packpigskinfan23 10/16/2006 at 8:49 AM #

    I would be proud of one either way… with the national expectations for this team, and the poor start I think a divisional championship in, let me correct you, a pretty decent football confrence that has had a bad year, would be pretty damn exciting… especially since it would put us in the Confrence Championship game against the winner of a weaker division.

  21. Wulfpack 10/16/2006 at 8:54 AM #

    The truth of the matter is we could easily swing either way from here on out. Lose to Maryland, and yes, we’ll be about 7th or 8th. And with GT and Clemson still on the slate, we could drop even further. On the flip side, a win over Maryland would be huge. It’d keep us in contention for the division title with a soft UVA squad ahead. There is still a ton of football left to play. But this game in College Park is HUGE if we have any hopes for a strong season.

    What concerns me is we beat the teams most think we should probably lose to, and lose to teams we should probably beat. I don’t know what that means.

  22. noah 10/16/2006 at 8:59 AM #

    “I’m so f’n tired of seeing us throw and run the ball sideways. No quarterback/running back is going to ever have awesome production when most of the movement is lateral. Those yards don’t count, and we seem to have more of those than the vertical ones that do. I’m sick and tired of watching that crap and I blame it on the play calling.”

    So what you want is us to be aggressive and throw the ball down the field?

    Okay…get used to the other team catching it and running it back. Because when you throw the ball down the field against a deep cover-2…that’s exactly what’s going to happen. You attack a cover two in the seam in the middle of the field just behind the linebackers and in front of the safeties.

    You throw it where they ain’t (to borrow a baseball cliche). That’s what we did yesterday.

  23. packpigskinfan23 10/16/2006 at 9:06 AM #

    ^not so much of throwing down feild like airing it out… just not having 80% of our passes being lateral with the line of scrimmage… that does nothing against a team that is so good at stopping the run, like WF.

  24. Mike 10/16/2006 at 9:10 AM #

    Wolfpack4ever, dont bust me for saying we were playing it safe at the end of the 1st half. WE WERE! We gave it to our best back, but we played it safe. We were in no hurry to snap the ball, clock is running at change of possession. We were happy with the lead and we were getting the ball back to start 2nd half. We were perfectly content to run out the clock. Wolfpack4ever, I am as big a fan as there is, and I am not on anyone. The purpose of this blog is so we can all comment on good and bad things we see, and have some community in our love for Wolfpack sports. Seems no matter what anyone posts, you are chopping them down. If you think I am wrong in my opinion, so be it, laugh at me all you want for my stupidity, just like most of us do when we read absurd comments, but dont make us out to be the anti-christ or put words in our mouths we did not say.

    My point was this – we played it safe and got burned. They played it to win, and sure enough they did. Someone said they had 5 plays all day that worked, and if we win any of those 5 plays we win the game. But we did not. Same with FSU last year, IF they win just one of the big plays we pulled off, they win. BC this year, if they win one of the 5 crucial plays in that game, they win. All plays count towards the final. They won those 5 plays.

    Also Noah, I was the one who said we did not throw the ball down the field, nothing but dumps and screens. I also said we did not because Wake was sitting back in cover-2, which makes that difficult. Cover-2 has been around a long time, and some good OC’s have come up with plans to throw downfield against cover-2. Rather than trying stuff, we went back to the toss and pitch, which as many have pointed out does not work for this team. A good OC will call plays early to set up plays for later. As long as Wake is stopping the tosses behind LOS, why should they change out of cover-2? We never gave them reason to change their defensive plan.

  25. Pack Laddie 10/16/2006 at 9:15 AM #

    The fact of the matter is that this was an ACC home game, that we needed to win to move up in the conference hierarchy. We did not get it done. You simply have to take care of business at home, which we have not done over the last couple of years.

    With 5 of the first 6 in Carter-Finley, we should be better than 3-3 right now. If somebody had told you before the season, that we would be 3-2 at home at this point, I would wager that you would not have thought the two losses would be to Akron and Wake.

    Wake is a good football team, make no mistake about that. But I cannot believe that people seem to be satisfied because we played them a “close game”. If we are down to the point of being satisfied that we played Wake close, at home, then we are not where we need to be.

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