Wacky Wednesday: Bunting, N&O, Media, Miami, Etc

After we set the table yesterday with this diversion that many seemed to like, we thought that we would use today to follow-up on some things from the “life is stranger than fiction” file.

John Bunting
Carolina continues to make lists that nobody wants to be a part of as the focus of everyone’s jokes.

* The noose is tightening around John Bunting’s neck. The noose is tightening to the point that it feels like Bunting is cracking with crazy. You can hear some of it by clicking here. What is he talking about? Every thing that he mentioned as positives of the program are all actually problems that have come together to create this mess for Bunting – attrition, disciplinary problems, poor recruiting, etc.

* The folks in the media who are Tarheel fans and like to position their reporting of the facts as unbiased are continuing their assault with numbers. (Pardon me, I take that previous sentence back. I just read the story titled “Judging the Facts on Bunting” and realized that the story provided no facts on which to judge Bunting).

* I’m just curious — when Les Robinson had created the worst 5 year period in the history of NC State Basketball, where were all of the the media’s “Judging Les Robinson on the facts” articles? When Herb Sendek had created another of the worst 5 year periods in the history of NC State Basketball, where were all of the local pieces highlighting the “facts”?

* While we are asking about the consistency of the media on certain topics…may I ask where the News & Observer‘s John Bunting Cartoon is for this year? The Chuck Amato cartoon has been out there on its own for 50 days and we continue to wait for the spoof on Bunting that has not yet come. Click here for a link to a key previous conversations.

Miami Situation
Link to scUM of the ACC

Watching the fallout of the Miami-FIU fight has been very interesting and even morosely entertaining. Folks are jumping on it from all sorts of different angles. Some are even asking if Virginia Tech is next?

For example – you could not make-up some of the stuff that is happening down there if you needed to craft a fictional story.

First, check this out. This is the kind of person that Miami has chosen to represent them. Is it any wonder why many in the ACC are now scratching our heads about what we have brought on to ourselves?

Next, be careful not to cry when you click on this link. Can you believe the sad irony?

The Miami Dade Police Department kicked off their annual “Join-a-Team, Not-a-Gang program on Tuesday, October 10th. This program is a cooperative effort, which includes Miami Dade Public Schools, the University of Miami Athletic Department, and Florida Power & Light Company.

The program gives out a “Most Improved Student Award”. Each hard working student will get a chance to visit a University of Miami football practice, a tour of athletic facilities, and a chance to meet the University of Miami football coaches and student-athletes.

Students are selected by their school and selection is based on improvement in academics, behavior, and attendance. The visits take place once a week and continue through football season. Winners and a D.A.R.E. officer from each school will be visiting the school once a week throughout the football season.

This Saturday, the Miami Dade Police Department will bring about 700 children to the Miami vs. FIU football game as part of the program.

But, I guess you have to give Miami credit for getting this one right. Please see our comments regarding this topic by clicking here.

On the football side…one starts to wonder if anyone will actually want the Miami job when it opens at the end of the year. Tony Barnhart wrote a fantastic piece that expresses many of the thoughts that I have had about the Hurriance program’s run prior to the fight; Barnhart expressly states that the Miami football program is done and the ACC has not gotten what it was expecting. You should check it out.

What Miami and the ACC don’t seem to get is that this is so much bigger than 30 horrible minutes on a Saturday. Simply stated: The football program at the University of Miami is not going to recover from this, at least not in this generation. Athletic director Paul Dee will be gone at the end of the year and his replacement will be charged with cleaning this up. And when the new AD goes to hire a big time football coach, he will be shocked that no established, successful person will want the job.

There is too much baggage. The expectations of parts of the fan base are insane. Miami plays in the single worst football facility (Orange Bowl) among the BCS conferences. If the Hurricanes aren’t playing Florida State, the attendance is awful. Only 29,621 turned out for North Carolina on Oct. 7.

The painful truth is that Miami football has overachieved because of its location, which made it easier for great coaches to bring in great players. That is to their credit. Miami overcame a lot to build an incredible football tradition that lasted for almost 25 years.

But it’s over. It’s sad, but it’s over

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50 Responses to Wacky Wednesday: Bunting, N&O, Media, Miami, Etc

  1. RAWFS 10/18/2006 at 12:45 PM #

    I was wondering about the Bunting cartoon.

    But did you ever expect Pravda to be critical of the Kremlin?

    Not sure if there’s a gulag that reporters here can be sent to, other than covering college football in Charlotte.

  2. tooyoungtoremember 10/18/2006 at 1:25 PM #

    I don’t think this is the end of an era for Miami. The way the president of the university and the board of trustees have handled this (one game suspensions?!?!?!???) gives no indication that they are willing to sacrifice the money machine in an effort to clean up the athletic department. Sure, the coaching staff, and most likely the AD are on the way out, but I think even the senile Lou Holtz could go into Miami and get enough backyard recruits to be competitive. Are the expectations of their fans unrealistic? Will they be able to land another establised coach? Hmmm. I don’t know, but those questions sound a little too familiar.

  3. choppack1 10/18/2006 at 1:31 PM #

    I think Miami still has a shot at building something special.

    Yea, the facilities stink – but facilities can be built in a couple of years. 40 + division 1A prospects w/in 50 miles can’t. The tradition that they’ve built winning titles and putting kids in the NFL can’t.

    If I was a HC at anywhere but the elites – I’d consider Miami. Erickson, Schnellenburger, Johnson, Davis and Coker have all had success there – unless they want to adapt very strict academic standards – I don’t see any reason why that can’t continue.

  4. BoKnowsNCS71 10/18/2006 at 2:21 PM #

    RAWFS — I checked the N&O site under Sports and the second (newes) Chuck cartoon is gone. They only have the first 3. Not sure what that means.

    The N&O says (as I recall) that the person who does these cartoons attended (graduated?) from State. Maybe he pulled this years when he figured out that it (all of them) aren’t that funny? Or maybe he’s not creative enough or just too tired to do any more. More likely, Bunting has become such a pathetic figure that to even try to find some humor in that situation it is impossible or cruel.

    And then again, maybe the guy’s boss is tarhole.

  5. BoKnowsNCS71 10/18/2006 at 2:26 PM #

    Oops.. I have to correct myself. Rather than keeping the second cartoon down with the first 3 – they have the Hard out here for a coach fron and center.

    I think the song is more appropriate for Bunting.

    Agree — the N&O is piling on and the cartoon is out of date, stale, and boring.

  6. Big Daddy Wolf 10/18/2006 at 2:43 PM #

    Interesting to hear people say Bunting did not recruit well. Bunting has had some top 25 ranked recruiting classes according to the media. Just goes to show that the UNC media people have overstated the talent that went to Chapel Hill. Which brings up a Mack Brown comment when he was at UNC. Brown may be a God in UNC folklore but only won 2 games his first two years and the next couple where only subpar and most of the time he was at UNC he was getting flack for underachieving with all the talent he had brought to UNC. Brown pointed out that his recruiting classes where not as great as the media had rated them. Brown said a kid would not even be rated and as soon as UNC started recruiting him or he committed to UNC the prospect would shoot up the charts. All of a sudden he was a top prospect. Brown was very frustrated by the media perception that he was underachieving given the talent he had recruited. Brown’s reputation at UNC was he was a great recruiter but not a great coach. Bunting now suffering some of the same fate UNC’s recruiting class is never as good as rated cause the media here will pick a kid to be in their top high school players list as soon as he list UNC as his school of choice. Been going on for years. Dick Sheridan got tons of milage out this with his players. Motivating them to show the media who was really the better player those that got ranked high cause they went to UNC or them!! Sheridan’s record against UNC speaks for itself. Bunting and UNC’s football expectations suffering from their own media bias. The recruits are not as good as advertised and UNC players getting in trouble like they always have they just don’t have the same police chiefs to cover it up and let them keep playing. UNC and its media friends deserve their football folley team they are fielding. Their own bias help create unrealistic expectations from highly rated but only average players every year!

  7. Big Daddy Wolf 10/18/2006 at 2:50 PM #

    And if I remember correctly last ACC to beat Texas was N. C. State. Wonder how well O’Cain and Sheridan would have done with the new facilities, and a bigger pocketbook for assisitants like Amato has. I like Amato but has he really not done the same job as O’Cain. And O’Cain had a lot less to work with. I hope we give Amato time and I hope Trestman is our answer at OC, cause Amato knows defense. But at some point we got to be able to score more than 25 points in a game and we got to quit losing to schools we shouldn’t such as Wake and Akron.

  8. nycfan 10/18/2006 at 3:15 PM #

    If Mack Brown ever complained about his recruits being overrated, it was defensively. He blew more smoke than Amato has ever dreamed of and promoted his recruiting classes every year as the second coming to anyone who would listen. He is a terrific politician, there is no doubt about it (witness his work to get Texas in the BCS (Rose Bowl) a few years ago, which help set up their Championship at the Rose Bowl the following season) and an excellent judge of football talent. The line on Mack at Carolina was that he was the best football coach in America from Sunday to Friday. The disaster since his departure has been ugly.

    Also, I recall a lot of articles about the facts (win totals) on Les as it became increasingly obvious he couldn’t right the ship. Robinson was a nice guy who was generally liked by the media guys who covered him, plus Les had a HUGE set of handicaps to overcome, so people were prone to give him more leeway for longer than usual. I don’t think that was some sort of anti-NC State sentiment, I think Les was genuinely liked and people could see he started in a pretty deep hole after his first season with V’s players.

  9. RAWFS 10/18/2006 at 3:18 PM #

    Les couldn’t right the ship because Monteith had him treading water — with a ball and chain around his ankle.

    People too readily judge the Robinson era without including the recruiting and admission restrictions that Robinson was forced to work under. That, in my opinion anyway, is quite unfair.

  10. statered 10/18/2006 at 3:21 PM #

    “I like Amato but has he really not done the same job as O’Cain.” LMFAO they will let anyone on the internets these days

  11. BoKnowsNCS71 10/18/2006 at 3:43 PM #

    Just an observation, but were many of the in-state Bunting recruits also the kids that Chuck chose “not to recruit” — meanwhile catching hell later for not being able to recruit in state?

    That would be ironic.

  12. packpigskinfan23 10/18/2006 at 4:05 PM #

    BigDaddyWolf- I hope the same is true about this years in-comming UNC basketball recruits!!!!

  13. RAWFS 10/18/2006 at 4:06 PM #

    “I like Amato but has he really not done the same job as O’Cain.�

    And thank God for that.

    Amato may not be Knute Rockne, but he’s an improvement over the Reeds, the Kiffens and the O’Cains of our past.

  14. SuperStuff 10/18/2006 at 4:16 PM #

    O’Cain was a nice guy, but if you put him at NCSU under the new ACC you’ll see what’s happening at UNC right now. Losses by wide margins would be the norm.

  15. Packaholic1 10/18/2006 at 4:22 PM #

    We just need to keep winning. Things calmed down around here for a coupla weeks, now its starting up again. Wake is a good team and we hurt ourselves with some mistakes, but no one can seriously compare CA and o’cain. CA has made this program relevant again, for the first time since Sheridan. The quality of the recruits and the assistant coaches is far beyond that of years past. We’re graduating NFL first rounders on a regular basis, some of them leaving early.

  16. VaWolf82 10/18/2006 at 4:40 PM #

    Miami overcame a lot to build an incredible football tradition that lasted for almost 25 years.

    But it’s over. It’s sad, but it’s over

    What over-the-top BS!

    Pay them (coaches)…..and they will come. Get the right coach…and the kids will come. Any one that thinks that a top coach couldn’t recruit at Miami is either stupid or crazy.

  17. Sam92 10/18/2006 at 4:40 PM #

    as much as Chuck disappoints — he is unquestionably better than o’cain

  18. choppack1 10/18/2006 at 4:42 PM #

    “People too readily judge the Robinson era without including the recruiting and admission restrictions that Robinson was forced to work under. That, in my opinion anyway, is quite unfair.”

    Don’t get me started here RAWFS. People aren’t even allowed to say the name “Les Robinson” in my household.

  19. tooyoungtoremember 10/18/2006 at 4:57 PM #

    “Pay them (coaches)…..and they will come. Get the right coach…and the kids will come. Any one that thinks that a top coach couldn’t recruit at Miami is either stupid or crazy.”

    The way the Dolphins are playing this season, Nick Saban may be returning to college football next year. He wouldn’t have to move!

  20. StateFans 10/18/2006 at 5:20 PM #

    I think that some of you guys may overestimate the allure of Miami football as a stand-alone operation (once you carve away the thugness and the heritage built largely on cheating).

    If Miami was was inherently built to be a power, then they would have been a power long before 1980. They weren’t.

    They found a way to capitalize on their independent status (followed by a weak Big East affiliation) and use their geographic location to lure what the rest of the world views as thugs and crooks. They were busted by the NCAA as one of the dirtiest programs in history. They cheated and they didn’t go to class and they won on the field. Then the walls fell down on them.

    YES, Butch Davis/Coker found a way to rebuild for a couple of years of success…WHILE THEY WERE STILL IN THE BIG LEAST playing a bunch of nobodies. OBVIOUSLY, that success was not sustainable.

    The reason that media-types are declaring them dead is because of the over-reaction that the school is going to have to execute to try to start to build a decent reputation. That over-reaction is going to include measures that are going to limit the types of players that they can take and therefore limit their success.

    Schools like Oklahoma’s troubles were different. They won BEFORE Switzer. They have awesome facilities, a large alumni base, and fan support that packs large stadiums. Miami has NONE of that. Miami has a heritage built on crooks and criminals and thugs. Once you take that a way you have sunny weather and good parties and a school that is going to expect its players to be exemplary. Where are they going to find those kids considering that they have never found them before?

  21. class of 74 10/18/2006 at 5:32 PM #

    Tony Barnhardt is an SEC homer. Read him enough and you will see this too.
    Oh yeah, Miami is through all right. One of the top five recruiting areas in the country is on your doorstep and FSU and UF can sign them all if they wanted.
    The right staff will do exactly what has been done there for the past 25 to 30 years. Too much local talent, too much history and too much money for it not too. Tony you should be through as a journalist.

  22. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/18/2006 at 5:51 PM #

    O’Cain was a nice guy, but if you put him at NCSU under the new ACC you’ll see what’s happening at UNC right now. Losses by wide margins would be the norm.

    That isn’t exactly fair. O’Cain had a good offensive mind I doubt he would be blown out of a lot of games. More likely to find combined points in the 70’s and 80’s but I doubt he wouldn’t be doing better than Bunting.

  23. joe 10/18/2006 at 5:57 PM #

    Did Miami ever ask about playing in the Dolphins new stadium? Maybe they did and got turned down. The Orange Bowl is old and in a bad area.

    A lot of big name teams have had a hard time hiring a big name coach – just look at Notre Dame , it doesn’t get any bigger than that. (or ask Lee Fowler) Many big name coaches now with good jobs are too secure and they don’t want to risk moving on to another job to start over. If Coker is axed they may not try to lure a big name , but instead try to hire a top guy from 1-AA or even a guy from the MAC or CUSA.

  24. burnbarn 10/18/2006 at 5:58 PM #

    “YES, Butch Davis/Coker found a way to rebuild for a couple of years of success…WHILE THEY WERE STILL IN THE BIG LEAST playing a bunch of nobodies”

    I know where you are going with this, but the Big East ain’t lookin’ so bad these days.

    I am for the academic integrety of the ACC, but I think these new rules that will be adopted soon for all the ACC will hurt the conference in football in the long run.

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