State’s O Scores 13 vs ACC’s #11 Defense

'06 Football General96

No 50th win for NC State’s Chuck Amato today (Live Blog and reader comments here); and no magic number 24 for NC State’s Marc Trestman today. (Click here for key background on this topic).

Trestman’s offense laid a goose egg in the first half of Saturday’s game at Maryland and managed to generate some late points to ultimately score 13 offensive points against the ACC’s 11th ranked defense. Darrell Blackman scored a touchdown on a punt return to get the Wolfpack to 20.

After the game today, a thread on Pack Pride’s Premium board was appropriately titled, “Does any team hurt itself as much as NC State”. The answer has to be a resounding NO. No team in America has beaten themselves as much, as often, as consistently for as many years as NC State.

In none of the Wolfpack’s series with its ACC brethern are the results of the poor decisions, clock management and strategic blunders more evident than in Chuck Amato’s games vs Maryland. Amato drops to 2-4 against Ralph Friedgen and 2-5 against Maryland since taking over the NC State program.

State’s dreams of an ACC Atlantic Division Championship are all but over and the season has taken ANOTHER quick turn from exciting to painful. The Wolfpack is currently 3-4 on the season with the next three games against improving Virginia in addition to highly-ranked Georgia Tech and Clemson.

Make no mistake about it – Chuck Amato’s seat is getting hot again. State could easily be looking at a season that is played solely for the “excitement” of the final two games of the season against heated rivals UNC-CH and East Carolina.

Amato’s record vs ACC foes:

1-1 vs Boston College
2-4 vs Clemson
4-0 vs Duke
4-3 vs Florida State
2-4 vs Georgia Tech
2-5 vs Maryland
0-1 vs Miami
3-3 vs North Carolina
2-2 vs Virginia
1-1 vs Virginia Tech
4-3 vs Wake Forest

Summary Statistics:

* 25- 27 overall ACC record.

* Winning record against 3 ACC programs – Florida State, Wake Forest and Duke.

* .500 record against 4 ACC programs.

* Losing record against 4 ACC programs.

* 11-6 vs the Big Four

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96 Responses to State’s O Scores 13 vs ACC’s #11 Defense

  1. PACDADDY 10/22/2006 at 1:24 AM #

    SFN…I think you read too much into my comment about Chuck being a “great coach”. I meant he is a great coach for NC State. While I see the difficulties we’ve had over last 2-3 seasons, it’s clear he has brought us to a point where we have high expectations and solid talent. Unfortunately, we’ve had trouble scoring points over last few years, while our D has been excellent. Now we’re dealing with a struggling O, and a youthful rebuilding D, mainly because we’ve lost key D players to the NFL.

    AS far as blame or responsibilty for fumbles and TO’s. I put that on the position coaches more than the head coach. I understand who hired them, but we pay these coaches good money to get the job done. If the WR’s were consistently dropping passes, we’d blame the position coach…like DOC a couple of years ago when his players couldn’t catch a cold. I look back at all the fumbles we’ve had at the worst possible times and can’t help but think the position coach should take some heat. It’s not normal to lose as many close games as we have because of weird fumbles during crucial times.

    We’ve lost alot of close games and I have questioned many decisions Amato has made, but he’s not the problem. It’s impatient fans who think NC State should be ACC champs every year is the problem. They forget other teams are building solid programs and sometimes the ball just doesn’t bounce your way. Football is a game where one play can change the outcome when 2 equally talented teams are competing. We lost to WF the last two years because of TO’s…we’ve lost to Maryland because of TO’s…we’ve lost to GT because of TO’s…We lost to Clemson 2 years ago because of TO’s. SOmebody said they’d like us to force more TO’s…I’ll take consistent 3 and outs anyday…this season we’ve lost key personel on D and are young.

    We need a top flght QB. Evans is a great kid and has brought us back from the cellar, but come on…does anyone honestly think he is going to win games consistently in the ACC?

    Changes need to be made, but let’s at least acknowledge this program is better than it has been since Holtz. Sheridan did great things at NC State but how many ACC titles did he win? He came close a couple of times, but that’s it. UNC sucked for most of his years too. His talent level was far less and nobody is arguing Sheridan got more out his players than anyone.

    I realize this team has played poorly on offense the past 3 seasons. Chuck is responsible for hiring the O Coor. You know it’s bad when Mazzone makes our current O coor look bad…our problem?…3 and outs

    It simple…don’t try and make it more than that…3 and out has been the norm for too long. It not the O line…it’s not the TB’s or WR’s…it’s called predictable play calling coupled with lack of O leadership. We need a solid QB.

    Name me one top team that wins consistenly in 1-a FB who doesn’t have a solid QB(unless they have dominate running game and D)… Evans looked great in last drive against BC, and he had a great day throwing up jump balls against an inexpericned and smallish FSU, but other than that…very average.

    If Amato can’t get a QB that can truly win games and consistenly drive our team down the field and an O coor that doesn’t need a half to figure out what the D is doing, then he will be fired next year, because we’ll lose 5-7 games again.

    But right now…hot seat talk is for narrow minded people that honestly don’t have a clue about how hard it is to win consisitently when you’re not OSU.

    I’d love to see the “Great” WV and Louisville play in the ACC …sure…one game here and there against an ACC opponent is one thing, but this league is much better than fans think. They’d do well this season because the confernce lost a ton of players to the NFL, but they’d be middle of the road in most years.

    It’s clear based on SFN comments on my first post about my consistency on the coaching subject, we have a disagreement of who is quailfied as a coach for NCSU. When Herb is 50 years old(6 years from now) and considered one of the top coaches in the counrty then I’ll get the last laugh, however, I will say I’m quite pleased and excited to have Sid and I will be even more excited to have Cowher when we run off Amato…please tell me that could happen, then I’ll definately be glad to run off one of the all time winningest coaches in NC State history, and among the winningest coaches in ACC for a first 7 years.

  2. TomA 10/22/2006 at 1:56 AM #

    Never wanting to be one to pile on but it does need to be said that it seems as though far too often the football team not only loses when it should win but does not seem to be as well coached as others. Amato has been great for the school and the football program for bringing it into the national scene and helping with the very successful fund raising but the results on the field are what matters.
    Too often games are lost because of penalties, predictable play calling, and not staying focused on the field. I read that there is one person who has stated openly that he would come to NCSU if the head coaching job was offered and I am beginning to think that he would be a great fit for the team. I am speaking of Norm Chow. Is there any one else who would love to see what he could do with the backfield players we have in place now? As far as people who are worried that losing Amato’s recruiting abilities would hurt in the long run somehow I think that Norm Chow would have many advantages in recruiting considering his accomplishments! Right now let’s see what happens in the stretch run of the season but should we manage to somehow lose to UNC I think the end would be near for CTC.

  3. drhammondo 10/22/2006 at 4:08 AM #

    PacDaddy…you’re right…we’ve lost a TON of games in the last few years based on TOs. But, when you see a PATTERN like that, don’t you have to hold the leader of the program accountable. CTC obviously is not communicating with his assistant coaches if they are considering the current play-calling and TO situation acceptable. And if he is OK with the status quo (which all indications show that he is), then someone should hold him accountable for the millions of dollars that have been sunk into the program with few noticeable improvements on the field.

    Yeah, we’d all love to have a QB who can immediately transfrom this team into a winner, but…a great QB isn’t what we’re lacking (see Will Proctor at Clemson, Riley Skinner at WF, Colt McCoy at Texas, Mustain at Arkansas, Thompson at Oklahoma, Stocco at Wisconson, Ryan at BC, and Daniel at Missouri) and that’s just going through this weekend’s top 25 teams (8 mid-level QB’s there?)!

    I wonder what gets those teams over the hump in their tough games then??? Oh wait, probably GOOD COACHING–something NC State has not had in awhile! I can’t remember the last time that we won a game because our coaching was better than the other team’s–Fl. St. and BC this year DO NOT count, because it has become pretty obvious that we are on the same level as they are as far as talent (based on their other results).

    I can, however, pick out several examples of our being out-coached and losing to a team who SHOULD NOT beat us…this season for example, Akron, Southern Miss., Wake Forest, and Maryland (oh wait…that’s ALL of our losses). And the MOST notable example of CTC and his staff’s being outcoached–UNC 31, NC State 24 at Carter-Finley in October 2005–when JOHN BUNTING and his staff completely out-coached CTC and his staff to win a game that a sad UNC team should never have had a chance to win!

    That’s just the last year and a half (and that’s about half of the games in the last 13 or 14)! I could go back further, even to the Phillip Rivers years!

  4. Lock 10/22/2006 at 5:59 AM #

    ^Can anybody say Ohio State?

  5. class of 74 10/22/2006 at 8:47 AM #

    Chuck, a proven mediocre coach, with records of 5-7, 6-6 or 7-5 as far as the eye can see. Those years we qualify for a bowl we can all look forward to loading the Chuckwagon and heading west to Boise. One thing is for sure, if you thrive on disappointment Chuck and crew dish it up in spades. But do not fret, Chuck is 60, so, in ten years from now he will probably retire. Then we can go out and hire another longtime assistant somewhere, and he too can become a mediocre Division I head coach.

  6. johnny 10/22/2006 at 9:35 AM #

    It’s WTNY time once again.

  7. ncsu96 10/22/2006 at 10:28 AM #

    I like this site a lot but when did you let Stewart Mandel start blogging on here?
    Why bring out the hot seat comment? It’s just not true. We all know Chuck’s not getting fired this year or next for that matter.

    yes, I was dissappointed by losing yesterday and losing big. yes, I thought playcalling was questionable. On the otherhand those 2 turnovers were killer, and I can’t blame coaches for that. Maryland is also a pretty decent team and we played at their place…give them some credit.

  8. Avid109 10/22/2006 at 10:44 AM #

    I think that Coach Trestman is the key to us getting better. Our offense seems to be plodding and predictable until we are a couple of scores down. They’ve demonstrated that they can be aggressive when coming from behind, so why can’t they play aggressively on offense for an entire game? Also, our offense seems to be geared only toward getting the first down. Why not take shots at the endzone from time to time?

    I’ve heard that Trestman prefers slow, methodical drives that eat up the clock to quick-strike scores. The logic for that approach is that it gives the defense time to rest. In my opinion, a quick-strike score fires up the defense by inspiring the players to get the ball back for the offense.

    By the way, why does Trestman stay on the sidelines instead of working from the pressbox? I would think that he could get a better picture of what the other side’s defense is doing much more easily from up top.

  9. NCSUDude17 10/22/2006 at 11:02 AM #

    ^I think us not making mistakes is the key to getting better.

  10. dj9686 10/22/2006 at 11:26 AM #

    Trestman has had one good game of play calling since he came to NCSU and that was against FSU this year. I’m sick and tired of all this short stuff in to the flat that allows defenses to stack the lines against us both for the pass and the run. His play calling is simply moronic. Against Maryland, down by 17, several minutes already elapsed in the fourth quarter, our defense doesn’t seem to be slowing down their offense, and there is no urgency to the Pack’s offense or play calling. It was as if he were trying to run out the clock for Maryland. If not for the punt return we probably wouldn’t have scored again the way he was calling the game. We also have two great pounding runningbacks whom he choses to try and run outside most of the time. That’s OK to mix things up on the goal line, but hard hitting runningbacks like the B&B boys are more successful going straight up the gut. There is a good reason Trestman was unemployed when the ‘Pack came calling on him.

    Oh yeah, this rule of the clock running after kickoffs is idiotic. If State had stopped Maryland we would have had the ball back with 40 plus seconds left since, for once, we had all three time outs. I understand the NCAA was trying to shorten games, but during an average game the clock not stopping after a kickoff probably shortens the game by four or five minutes? What are they thinking about? Who watches college football to see playing time of a game used up in the huddle?

  11. tvp 10/22/2006 at 12:03 PM #

    You know, O’Cain’s seventh season also finished with games against ECU and UNC.

    Interesting coincidence. The irony is O’Cain lost both of those to fall to 6-6, and it got him fired. We may need to win both to get to 6-6.

  12. justaguy 10/22/2006 at 12:06 PM #

    My assessment of the pack’s season thus far:
    Games that they should have won: 1-4 App St.(W); USM, Akron, WFU, Md(L)
    Games that they should have lost: 2-0 BC, FSU

    What does it take to get this team focused game in and game out?

    What bothers me at the moment is that the next game is another ‘should win’: UVA.

  13. choppack1 10/22/2006 at 1:12 PM #

    This is very frustrating. If you believe that your team is a reflection of your coach – you would conclude that while he tries really hard, he makes key mistakes at key times which keep him from being great or special. I can certainly by that.

    I also wonder why, why, why – we don’t come out w/ an aggressive game plan which would make it easier on everybody.

    I’m really questioning things myself – but here’s the deal – if you’re going to be a team that relies on running the ball – you can’t turn it over and you better have a very good or great D. I think our D is decent, but this year, I wouldn’t call it very or great.

    For those of us just interested in facts – here’s our 1st and 2nd down plays for our drives in our scoreless first half:

    S 1-10 S16 Brown, A. rush for 21 yards to the NCS37
    S 1-10 S37 Brown, A. rush for 2 yards to the NCS39 (Moore, D.;Henderson, E.).
    S 2-8 S39 Evans, D. rush for 3 yards to the NCS42 (Holloway, D.). (probably a pass play)

    S 1-10 S21 Baker, T. rush for 3 yards to the NCS24 (Jefferson, W.).
    S 2-7 S24 Baker, T. rush for 3 yards to the NCS27 (Henderson, E.;Frost, M.).

    S 1-10 S31 Baker, T. rush for no gain to the NCS31 (Holloway, D.;Jefferson, W.).
    S 2-10 S31 Timeout NC State, clock 03:55.
    S 2-10 S31 Brown, A. rush for 6 yards to the NCS37 (Philistin, D.;Gardner, I.).

    S 1-10 S24 Baker, T. rush for 6 yards to the NCS30 (Jefferson, W.).
    S 2-4 S30 Baker, T. rush for 3 yards to the NCS33 (Jefferson, W.;Navarre, J.).

    S 1-10 S35 Evans, D. sacked for loss of 7 yards to the NCS28 (Wilson, J.). This was probably a pass…
    S 2-17 S28 Brown, A. rush for 1 yard to the NCS29 (Costa, R.).

    S 1-10 S17 Evans, D. pass complete to Hill, A. for 11 yards to the NCS28, 1ST DOWN
    NCS (Wimbush, M.;Jefferson, W.).
    S 1-10 S28 Brown, A. rush for 3 yards to the NCS31 (Varner, C.;Henderson, E.).
    S 2-7 S31 Evans, D. pass complete to Barrett, L. for 9 yards to the NCS40, 1ST DOWN
    NCS, out-of-bounds (Varner, C.).
    S 1-10 S40 Evans, D. rush for 9 yards to the NCS49.
    S 2-1 S49 Brown, A. rush for 4 yards to the MD47, 1ST DOWN NCS (Jefferson, W.).
    S 1-10 M47 Evans, D. pass incomplete to Brown, A..
    S 2-10 M47 Brown, A. rush for 4 yards to the MD43 (Holloway, D.;Henderson, E.).

    I’m not going to count the last drive because there was 2:13 left.
    So what’s the talley?
    1st Down – 6 runs, 4 attempted passes – not bad, but for the 5 first down plays, we ran it.

    2nd Down – 6 runs, 2 passes….This is scary – I know what’s going on here – “let’s make it easier on Daniel, and make it 3 and 6 vs. 3rd and 10′ – but what kind of message does this send to the QB?

    When we were discussing our offense in the pregame, I stated that my biggest fear was that we’d given UMd’s statistical weakness vs. the run and Daniel’s concussion last week, that we’d try to ram down UMd’s throats. That’s exactly what we tried to do.

    And I see why the temptation to pound the ball is there. We’re basically averaging about 6 yards a carry. But if you look at the median – which is probably a better way to look at it since we had more than half of those yards on one play, you’ll see that it’s 3 yards. 3 yards, isn’t bad, but it ain’t great either.

    I’m not even going to start in on the INTs. As far as I could tell, on both of them, they were passes over the middle w/ tons of defenders around. This makes me wonder if either a) QB is telegraphing pass or b) the receivers are all basically running the same type distance routes.

    At the end of the day, we found another way to LOSE a game this week. We played hard, we came up just short, so we can sit here and blame it on TO’s, but it’s about time the offense scored first.

  14. RAWFS 10/22/2006 at 1:14 PM #

    tvp,

    The difference is Mary Anne Fox, versus the entrenched bureaucrats we have now.

    MAF expected excellence — while the bureaucrats accept mediocrity. As long as the cash and the program is not embarrassed, they will do NOTHING. Worst of all, if you dare stick up and demand excellence, they can confound the issue with statistics that seem to say everything is fine. Once they do this, you are a malcontent and marginalized.

    These bureaucrats give lip service to excellence, but I notice that the university’s academic rating is being surpassed by the likes of Clemson, so they are not even doing a good job in the area that they claim they really do hold dear, academics.

    All in all, the worst thing that could have happened to NC State was MAF leaving, and it happened. The reason why is she was driven off by an entrenched bureacracy threatened by her innovation and demands for better, much better. At the end of the day, I am completely convinced she truly loved NC State while she was here and that men lilke Oblinger use our university as a vehicle for their careers and don’t really care which way she goes.

  15. Wolfpack4ever 10/22/2006 at 1:51 PM #

    BorntoHowl Says: “With Oblinger and Foulup, it’s very unlikely anything will change until one or both is gone. They’re not strong leaders. Wish we still had MAF.

    MAF, not Fowler, hired Amato. Do you wish she were around to complain about? Whether Fowler goes or stays Oblinger will be making the next hire.

    The root of the problem with NCSU athletics is deeper than who is the OC or HC or AD or even the Chancellor. Until or more accurately IF we get to the source of why and how an outstanding Chancellor like MAF gets run off — San Diego State vs. NCSU, for God’s sake — we can indulge in mental masterbation about hiring outstanding ADs, HCs, OCs, and DCs and even Asst. Coaches away from top quality schools, all we want. It will not happen in our lifetime.

    It is not a question of whether or not we are “satisfied” with minor bowls, the question for those who make the decisions is, how can we achieve our goals inside the parameters we have to work with. And who are our prospects for AD and HC? And I don’t mean a wish list of top ADs and coaches which is just more mental masterbation. A top of the heap AD or HC has everything to lose and nothing to gain by coming here. You don’t get to be on top of the heap taking those kind of chances.

    Relate it to the business world as some are inclined to do. What lawyer or accountant partnering in a top firm says to him or herself, “Hmm, I think I will move to the bible belt and take a job with a lessor firm at lesser pay with lesser prestige. So what if that firm doesn’t have the resources to support to acheive national prominence, this time it’s going to be diffferent.

    I’ve got ideas that I think might work to have is play better. I think Trestman should do this or that. I think Chuck isn’t the best clock manager, game decision maker, etc., but I have no delusions of some football savior coming in to immediately transform NCSU into a national power.

    Then what is our best chance at NCSU becoming what we all want? I think it is staying the course, supporting Chuck in recruiting, creating an environment where assistants are happy, continuing to build national leader quality facilities — like the indoor practice facility he is enrolling the NCSU NFL players in funding through tax advantageous donations — and building a family atmosphere much like the Carolina Hurricanes have done where people – players and coaches – want to work and study.

    What about us? We can stop leveling the playing field for UNC. What does that mean? It means in a time when recruits have questions about who their coach is going be, stop creating the same question about NCSU. It means to criticize the play calling, clock management, defense, style of play, etc., without criticising the people, their intelligence and coaching ablilities of the coaches that recruits will be playing for. In other words stop providing our rival recruiters with recruiting ammunition.

    We ask of our players, no, we demand of and deride our players for stupid penalties, bonehead plays while we cannot on Sunday make the same demands on ourselves when we post on this blog. Wanna help NCSU? Go and register on the blogs of our rivals and write the same “fire the coach” “what a stupic AD we have” “What inept D & Coordinators we have” comments for the world to read.

    Before the super bloggers get their shit all steamed up, I repeat: … criticize the play calling, clock management, defense, style of play, etc., without criticising the people, their intelligence and coaching ablilities of the coaches… Got a problem with what the coaching decisions? Get better ideas? Have at it. Just stop the stupid personal criticism when you can’t think of anything better for them to try.

  16. Wulfpack 10/22/2006 at 2:10 PM #

    “I think it is staying the course, supporting Chuck in recruiting, creating an environment where assistants are happy…”

    From what I understand, that would mean doing away with Chuck.

    The season isn’t over yet. Let’s not get all riled up quite yet. We can go 8-4 or or 3-9 from here, our choice. All games on the schedule are win-able. We just have to start putting our best foot forward and not be so damn afraid of competing. I don’t get this team…if it’s any reflection of our coach, it’s that we are chicken-shit to go for it.

    No more non-sense. Just hit someone in the mouth and start playing the game the way you know how to play it. These past two weeks have been rather embarrassing. We better go murder the Cavs and get ready for Chuck’s biggest 3-game stretch yet.

  17. Wolfpack4ever 10/22/2006 at 2:40 PM #

    Wulfpack Says: in response to “I think it is staying the course, supporting Chuck in recruiting, creating an environment where assistants are happy…�

    ‘From what I understand, that would mean doing away with Chuck. ‘

    Wulfpack, what is the basis for your understanding or is this just more pulling criticism out of your ass? Or is it a regurgitation of what you’ve heard here on SFN? I’d really like to know. Are some assistants your neighbors, relatives, college teammates or their wives are friends of your wife? Just what is the basis for your understanding?

    Come, let us in on the basis for your understanding. Is it the tenure of our assistants? 4 came here with Chuck, one has known Chuck for 40 years and has coached under him the last 5 years, 3 in their 2nd year have excellent credentials and one came last year and was a very successful assistant at SM. So the tenure of assistants can’t be the basis for your understanding.

    Is it the pay? We complain about how much we pay the assistants. Pay can’t be the basis for your understanding. I’m afraid you will just have to inform us, cause the evidence available to the average numbnuts fan such as myself doesn’t support your conclusions. Let me in on your secret.

  18. Wolfpack4ever 10/22/2006 at 2:53 PM #

    RAWFS Says: (And it is worth repeating and studying and deep understanding.)

    October 22nd, 2006 at 1:14 pm
    tvp,

    The difference is Mary Anne Fox, versus the entrenched bureaucrats we have now.

    MAF expected excellence — while the bureaucrats accept mediocrity. As long as the cash and the program is not embarrassed, they will do NOTHING. Worst of all, if you dare stick up and demand excellence, they can confound the issue with statistics that seem to say everything is fine. Once they do this, you are a malcontent and marginalized.

    These bureaucrats give lip service to excellence, but I notice that the university’s academic rating is being surpassed by the likes of Clemson, so they are not even doing a good job in the area that they claim they really do hold dear, academics.

    All in all, the worst thing that could have happened to NC State was MAF leaving, and it happened. The reason why is she was driven off by an entrenched bureacracy threatened by her innovation and demands for better, much better. At the end of the day, I am completely convinced she truly loved NC State while she was here and that men lilke Oblinger use our university as a vehicle for their careers and don’t really care which way she goes.

    RAWFS, Do you think Chuck would have left FSU were it not for MAF? We have no idea the shackles that LF and CA have to operate under. Fowler catches hell for EVERYTHING he does, mostly because he didn’t do or say ought to be done that which he could not do, i.e., fire HS. That was strictly Ob’s or MAF’s decision to make. Sure he’s a plain ole country boy from Tennessee, who lacks the polish and communication and political skills that many of us want in an our AD — kinda like Todd Turner had.

    I wonder what MAF saw that we don’t see?

  19. VaWolf82 10/22/2006 at 2:58 PM #

    Some of you saw a different game than I did….because the one I watched had plenty of blame to go around. However, the offense did far more to lose the game than anyone else…including the coaching.

    The OL gave up at least four sacks to a team rated 9th in the conference on sacks.

    The defense was not terrible, but once again gives up big chunks of yardage on nearly every mis-direction play.

    Two interceptions for 10 points + A RB fumble for 7 points. When the offense hands 17 points to the opposition, there are very few teams that can overcome that kind of deficit.

    You can blame the coaches if you want (and they certainly deserve some blame), but the player’s mistakes were the biggest contributors to the loss.

  20. Wulfpack 10/22/2006 at 3:02 PM #

    4ever, My basis is knowing very well a high-level booster who has told me on occasion that he has firsthand knowledge that many of Chuck’s assistants, both current and former, have been and are extremely unhappy with the way he treats them. The word “arrogant”, among others, tends to surface in these conversations. Take it for what it’s worth…

  21. Wolfpack4ever 10/22/2006 at 3:15 PM #

    justaguy Says: My assessment of the pack’s season thus far:
    Games that they should have won: 1-4 App St.(W); USM, Akron, WFU, Md(L) Games that they should have lost: 2-0 BC, FSU

    Just curious, why SHOULD we have beaten Wake and Md. Were we ranked higher? Do the have inferior coaches. Was our record against OOC teams better? And why SHOULD we have lost to BC and FSU.

    The real question might be why do we play the games, if we already know who should win and who should lose?

  22. joe 10/22/2006 at 3:18 PM #

    Regarding Fox , she left for a much better job. UC – San Diego is not well known because they don’t play 1-A sports, but it is a very highly rated school in research – much higher than NCSU. (They are division III for sports) I believe they have 5 Nobel Prize winners on their faculty – no school in the state of NC has one. It’s very common for chancellors/presidents to move to a new job after about 6 years if they do a good job. If you look at the chancellors at top schools you will notice that they held multiple chancellor jobs on their way up.

  23. vtpackfan 10/22/2006 at 3:20 PM #

    It was good to see Chuck up in Blackmans face after the diving into the endzone penalty. Even better was seeing Blackman make one of the finest one handed catches on a crossing pattern. I still would like to see Trestman allow Evans the chance to put more 50/50 passes up early in the game, preferably on patterns we don’t run over and over again. I liked the comment somewhere above showing that there are explosive offenses ranked in the top 25 who don’t exactly have heisman for a QB. Maybe some passes to receivers doing verticle routes on run downs where the QB reads it as a 50/50 ball would be good in bringing field balance to this team. Brown and Baker would probably be more effective as a 1st down decoy then a 3rd and 5 pass protector.

  24. PACDADDY 10/22/2006 at 3:23 PM #

    Some of you guys live in a fantasy land…There are an extremely small amount of programs that don’t lose many games they should win…many here think T Bowden may be the top coach in the ACC right now. The same coach they thought should have been fired 2 years ago and the same coach who has a worse winning % than CTC since his arrival at Clemson.

    Gailey at GT…how has he made it at GT as long as he has? Friegen?…he hasn’t done anything with his own players.

    You can look at our series with most of these teams including WF and point to 5 or 8 plays/TO’s that would completely change Amato’s record against them.

    We’re not talking about blowouts and blowups…we’re talking about mostly close games. THAT IS COACHING! Look at how many games Bowden has been blowout at Clemson.

    Penalites have been a problem…I saw a number of times where an official could’ve called Maryland and WF for holding and didn’t. It’s part of the game, but the refs can play a big roll in key drives.

    I agree the O coor is at fault, but Amato has a problem…Trestman has a contract and Amato has to deal with it because WE DON’T LIKE ATTRITION with coaches!

  25. vtpackfan 10/22/2006 at 3:26 PM #

    The “we beat teams we shouldn’t” theory is loosely based on Chucks big wins vs. Bowden. Look at our roster and the players home town and fills us in on all the facts concerning the situation. The other teams we beat who we “shouldn’t” beat really is an oxymoronic statement when yo look at the ACC’s track record in football recently. We don’t exactly have the USC’s, Michigans and Longhorns to deal with overcoming. We need to play more Florida teams evidently, maybe get Miami and FL. Atlantic in a “jamboree” type exhibition.

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