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Couple quick links on the Miami/FIU brawl. Article from the Miami Herald. Video from ESPN.com On a strange note, Pete Garcia who was the Asst AD at Miami, was named the AD at FIU this week.

Link to follow-up from The Sporting News that needed to be archived.

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  1. CaptainCraptacular 10/15/2006 at 7:00 PM #

    ^*This is a game, not mortal combat.*

    If the other team is intentionally trying to injure players on your team, then does it not become a form of combat?

    *It is the job of coaches to control thier teams…….I have seen coaches in both football and basketball remove their teams from the field to wait for the referees to gain control.*

    Do you really think the coaches were not trying to get control? The Miami coaches *were* out there trying to get things under control. There are what.. 7-8 coaches vs at least 60 players on the home sideline during any given game (for some schools that number can be 100+ players). The situation escalated very quickly. It would take a minute for ANY coaching staff to gain control given the situation where the benches completely emptied as quickly as they did there.

    *If Coker and his staff are men they will resign, admitting they are not up to the task of controlling thier student-athletes.*

    I think you are being WAAAY too dramatic and harsh about what happened. How many coaches in the history of college or pro sports have resigned because there was a bench clearing brawl? There’d be a severe shortage of major league managers if every one resigned after a bench clearing brawl. As ’74 mentioned: Tommy Bowden didn’t resign at Clemson after his teams brawl against USC. Were you saying the same then? If this had been Wake Forest would you be calling for Jim Grobe’s resignation, given his reputation for integrity?

    A bench clearing brawl is unfortunate, but every once in a blue moon its unavoidable. And certainly not something coaches should be fired over unless it happens more than once in a season. Coker is a stand up guy who has shown nothing but class in his time at Miami. From my perspective he’s been the classiest, cleanest head coach of the University of Miami since before Schnellenberger. He’s on his way out anyway for performance reasons, so I wouldn’t worry about him being gone. But asking for his immediate resignation is ridiculous.

  2. Woof Wolf 10/15/2006 at 7:33 PM #

    How about canceling the season; a 2 1/2 month vacation withoui pay for the coaches; and revoking the scholarships of the flagrant offenders. For both schools of course, FIU did start it.

    Baseball brawls: Someone charges and tackles an opponent. One or two other guys pile on. The rest of the guys charge onto the field, find somebody the used to play with, hug and talk about the wives and kids. No bats, no helmets, nothing like what happened last night.

  3. Wolfpack4ever 10/15/2006 at 7:53 PM #

    Fowler is wrong. We don’t have a lunatic fringe, we have a righteous fringe.

  4. Woof Wolf 10/15/2006 at 8:24 PM #

    No logical arguement. Stoop to name calli9ng.

  5. BJD95 10/16/2006 at 6:40 AM #

    Watch the youtube, listen to the crowd and the UM announcer. I found that more damning than the fight itself.

  6. class of 74 10/16/2006 at 7:59 AM #

    ^I just saw and heard the youtube. I don’t know who the announcer was but that was disgraceful. And the shots of the crowd at the game made me think it was a WWF event not a football game. But I think Coker and the ACC have made the proper moves in the suspensions levied.

  7. BoKnowsNCS71 10/16/2006 at 8:01 AM #

    Hey! How many rounds is the Miami – Va tech game?

  8. GAWolf 10/16/2006 at 8:28 AM #

    Speaking of the UM crowd… pay attention to the crowd the next time you see UM play a home basketball game. Half the crowd is wearing red or blue instead of orange or green.

  9. 66pack 10/16/2006 at 8:39 AM #

    “they have lost the ability to lead student-atheletes”
    are you serious- students?

  10. noah 10/16/2006 at 8:45 AM #

    “From my perspective he’s been the classiest, cleanest head coach of the University of Miami since before Schnellenberger.”

    Buh?? Were you in a coma during the Butch Davis years?

    And the announcer who made the absurd comments about meeting outside the locker room was Lamar Thomas…former thug WR at Miami during the Dennis Erickson (I think) years.

    The Miami Board of Trustees is scheduled to meet today and will take up the issue of “the future of the Miami football program.” I would like to think that it means they’ll radically scale back the program and institute Duke-like admissions policies and zero-tolerance policies on personal conduct.

    But what it really means is they’re going to talk about firing Coker.

  11. MatSci94 10/16/2006 at 9:36 AM #

    I doubt its going to happen, but I would like to see the helmet swingers, and the guy stomping on the legs of a guy on the ground get multi game suspensions.

    I can kindof understand the “we had to protect our guys” logic for players involved in the fight, but these two examples go way beyond that.

  12. BoKnowsNCS71 10/16/2006 at 10:49 AM #

    “I do have a grip on this program,� Coker said. “Don’t ever doubt that. Don’t ever doubt that.�

  13. BoKnowsNCS71 10/16/2006 at 11:22 AM #

    Dang – deja vu from another thread. Now Coker is speaking double — like Chuck. See quote above. Maybe they all do it.

  14. CaptainCraptacular 10/16/2006 at 12:43 PM #

    ^ *Buh?? Were you in a coma during the Butch Davis years?*

    Were you? Butch Davis could be a royal jerk at times. Coker may be 1/2 the coach, but he’s twice the man.

  15. GAWolf 10/16/2006 at 1:12 PM #

    The helmet swingers and the stompers and anyone blindsiding anyone should get freaking prosecuted. There’s no room for this in sports anywhere.

  16. GAWolf 10/16/2006 at 1:18 PM #

    Boknows… I work in a job where I see public speaking all day everyday. I’ve found that people who “double-speak” are either a) unintelligent and/or b) not sure what they want or need to say. Only very rarely is it used strategically to influence the audience as an oratorical tool.

  17. GAWolf 10/16/2006 at 1:20 PM #

    And while I have the floor, I hate it for some of the UM players. After watching the youtube clip for a third time, there are some Miami players clearly trying to hold back or get between their players and the opposing players. It’s quite unfair for those guys to get scaulded in the media and on the internet for something their “keepin’ it real” teammates did.

  18. noah 10/16/2006 at 2:00 PM #

    “Butch Davis could be a royal jerk at times. Coker may be 1/2 the coach, but he’s twice the man.”

    You mean like when Davis suspended his best players for taking a ride in a limo provided by an ex-Miami player? When he made his players sign personal behavior standards and held them to it??

    Yeah…that guy was out of control…

  19. BoKnowsNCS71 10/16/2006 at 2:17 PM #

    No one has mentioned the fight in the Notre Dame — Michigan game. Have Carr and Weiss lost conrol of those programs also?

    Miami is an easy target — but then they have more thugs than the everage school. Probably the biggest problem they have is thinking they are better, stronger, faster than everyone else. They don’t understand that they are just a bunch of somewhat talented kids who are talkin the talk — but not backing it up with action.

    They also got baited bvy FIU and Miami players have no self-control.

  20. CaptainCraptacular 10/16/2006 at 3:22 PM #

    ^*You mean like when Davis suspended his best players for taking a ride in a limo provided by an ex-Miami player? When he made his players sign personal behavior standards and held them to it??*

    Yea… and? Coker suspended several starting players for the FSU game at the start of this season for violations of team rules. Their biggest game of the year. Any difference there? After what happened this weekend, it appears Coker is also holding his players very accountable for their actions. Coker may also have a similar personal behavior signature requirement, do you know otherwise? The signature is all well and good, but its not normally going to prevent you from coming to a teammates defense when they are on the ground being punched by the opponent.

    *Yeah…that guy was out of control…*

    I never said he was out of control. I said at times he could be a jerk. Implying some of the time, not all. Jerks and classiness aren’t mutually exclusive, but pretty close. If you are a jerk, I usually don’t define you as being classy.

    I respect your opinion Noah, but I stand by my statement: All other things being equal in my opinion Coker is the cleanest/classiest head coach the Hurricanes have had in my lifetime.

  21. noah 10/16/2006 at 4:04 PM #

    Coker’s career at duhhhh-u will probably outlast Lamar Thomas’s…but only by a couple of weeks. Comcast is suspending Thomas and will work with U of M to decide how he’ll be fired.

  22. GAWolf 10/16/2006 at 5:51 PM #

    I signed one of those statements for all three sports I played in highschool. A piece of paper is all it is unless action is taken when it’s violated. Glad to hear some action appears to be going on in Miami.

  23. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/16/2006 at 6:15 PM #

    Duke Lacrosse had their year cancelled and they just had a party with some drunk and drugged dancers and they had a shot at the National Championship. I agree this was one one of the most bone headed move by a university administration in the history of college athletics but it does show that it can be done even without a reason.

    What about the hit the Carolina Hurricanes player took this weekend? That appeared to be criminal as well. I’m not much into prosecuting athletes for on field/ice/court fights and hits but you do have to draw the line somewhere.

  24. packpigskinfan23 10/16/2006 at 6:23 PM #

    ^the hit on the Hurricanes player was awful… but not intentional at all. it was just a slight second to late. thats hockey. it happens. glad the guy is ok.

  25. Woof Wolf 10/16/2006 at 11:40 PM #

    I like the indefinite suspensions. I think most of them are appropriately FIU. But there was inappropriate behavior on both sides. Identify all of the thugs and let them know that this is not what we want in college sports.

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