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Chuck Amato Football Recruiting General49

After Saturday’s debacle (and we aren’t talking about the announcers) we needed to spend our time on some relevant analysis. We didn’t have time to include Boston College or Maryland, but I think that they would fall on the Clemson/Wake Forest side of the equation

…Talk amongst yourselves…

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Chuck Amato Football Recruiting General

49 Responses to Recent Football Recruiting Rankings

  1. BoKnowsNCS71 10/23/2006 at 11:42 AM #

    SFN: Whose fault is it that our coach promises playing time to freshmen every year and doesn’t take a more strategic approach to talent development? This is his SEVENTH year. It isn’t like he couldn’t have bit the bullet in the past and finally started redshirting.

    In fact, he did quite the OPPOSITE just two (or three?) years ago when he ridiculously decided to gamble on the mere the mention that NCAA may allow kids to have 5 years of eligibility. Remember the year he decided to play about half the freshmen class because he was convinced that the NCAA was going to give them all extra years. How did that work out?

    I do know that Chuck is on the NCAA rules committee that suggests changes and may have thought that the 5-year eligibility plan would play but that is supposition. And then again– maybe he had to play half the freshmen class because they were better and we all demand a better team today — right now. With that kind of pressure, we’ll be listed where our BB team is now. But that isn’t going to change many minds.

  2. Spin Wolf 10/23/2006 at 12:30 PM #

    SFN- This is your place and we’re just guests, but do we need the daily commerical from the ACC basketblog? Again, it’s your call, but I don’t think we need commercials in the comments section. Let them pay you for a banner if they want to use SFN to drive traffic to their site.

    Just my .02 !

    SFN: We appreciate it…and totally understand. Conversely, they are driving traffic to us from their site with their links and we appreciate their high opinion of us.

  3. BJD95 10/23/2006 at 12:48 PM #

    I don’t think Amato has the managerial skills to effectively manage and maintain a top-notch staff, nor does he have the mental makeup of a good game-day strategist (witness the assistant having to keep him from calling timeout after (i) a first down; and (ii) a play ripe for a replay challenge). He has recruited well here, but the above limitations will (IMHO) keep him from replicating or bettering the Gator Bowl year, because this is NOT FSU or Miami – you can’t simply “recruit over” these coaching limitations.

    It’s going to take a good to great game-day coach who can manage a staff very well to get us where we want to go. And he needs to be at least a decent recruiter (maybe not quite as good as Amato, but fairly close). Yes, I know that’s not so easy to find. But I’m 99% sure it will never be Chuck. The man is what, 60 years old? Does anyone expect him to grow into the job any further? Despite his sworn pledge not to change?

  4. class of 74 10/23/2006 at 12:58 PM #

    I subscribe to the Steve Logan method of rating recruiting classes. Wait until the class reaches it’s junior year before you rate that class. I do not pretend to follow the recruiting as closely as some of you but some of the guys that publish these lists will tell you after the top 5 to ten groups there is little difference for as many as fifteen to twenty places in the ratings. So if we are 15 or 35 what the heck does it really matter?

    I, for one, am not convinced CTC could win the conference with four back to back top ten recruiting classes anyway. IMHO, Chuck’s recruiting ability is only marginally better than some of his peers in the ACC and not enough to overcome his overall coaching ability.

  5. choppack1 10/23/2006 at 1:31 PM #

    BJD – I’m not sure. It may be as simple as Chuck letting assistants coach a little more. I hope you’re wrong, but right now, it’s hard to dispute that our tendency towards carelessness will yield any results that are different than what we’ve seen so far.

  6. waxhaw 10/23/2006 at 1:52 PM #

    Personally, I think the entire tone of the program (and message boards) would be different if we had half a QB over the last 2 1/2 years.

    So far with a decent QB, we are 2-2. We played well in 3 of the 4 games.

    I don’t know if CTC can get us to the championship level but I think we are beyond the levels we’ve traditionally been in.

  7. Sam92 10/23/2006 at 2:15 PM #

    i had forgotten that our recruiting classes were so highly ranked

    but then again, so were UNC’s.

    i think it’s really a statement about the coaching, i.e., what people do with the talent they’ve got.

  8. Mr O 10/23/2006 at 2:20 PM #

    http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/501828.html

    I figured you guys might have missed this from the N and O today:

    Rule of 24

    The next time Al Groh says you don’t understand coaches or if you find yourself confused by John Bunting’s definition of “progress,” stop them and tell them you know what it takes to win a college football game.

    Score 24 points. No really, it’s that simple. It’s easier than decoding Fergie’s “London Bridge.” (Your what goes down where? By the way, her next single is “I’m a Little Teapot.”)

    Anyway, since 2002, when teams currently in the ACC score at least 24 points they win 85 percent of the time (319-58). Every ACC team, even Duke, has a winning record when posting a Jack Bauer.

    Georgia Tech has turned it into an art form with 24 straight wins in “24” games.

    Just as telling, ACC teams lose 75 percent of the time (76-228) when they fail to reach the magic number. And guess what, nobody has a winning record in said games. Miami’s the best at 8-9, when they don’t score at least 24 points.

  9. Mr O 10/23/2006 at 2:44 PM #

    So based on those statistics, are we losing games because of poor game and staff management or is it just simply based on the fact that we haven’t been able to score more than 24 pts but a couple of times in the last 2.5 years?

    SFN: can’t our poor game management and execution be the reason that we aren’t scoring 24 points

    Throw this statistic in with us being near the bottom of the NCAA in TO margin and it doesn’t seem very complicated why we have only been winning about 50% of our games the last 2.5 years. Essentially, the last 2.5 years have come down to most of the time terrible to at best average QB play. And we have only had average QB play in a couple of these games.

    We seem to be consistent defensively. We seem to have a couple of QBs on the roster who make me feel pretty good about the future of that position going forward. Evans and Burke will most likely determine how many games we win the next several years no matter who is our coach.

  10. choppack1 10/23/2006 at 3:32 PM #

    O – at what point does the current staff become accountable for putting together a gameplan which fails to get to that Mendoza line? It’s been a bad problem the last 3 years – and some would say it’s only getting worse, when it should be improving…

  11. wallacepark 10/23/2006 at 6:46 PM #

    Don’t jump ship yet. There are still 5 games left to play.

  12. Mr O 10/23/2006 at 7:03 PM #

    SFN: I don’t consider Andre Brown having his first two fumbles in 180 carries in back to back games inside our own 20 game mismanagement. I also don’t consider a Wake Forest kicker kicking three 50+ yard field goals game mismanagement. Shit happened and we lost.

    Choppack: Our offensive problems have been about QB play. Unfortunately, we have had two highly rated QBs and they both ended up being busts. I think the offense has made some stride with Evans at QB, but he still has only made four starts. I don’t see it as getting worse.

  13. choppack1 10/23/2006 at 8:20 PM #

    “I think the offense has made some stride with Evans at QB, but he still has only made four starts. I don’t see it as getting worse.”

    It was certainly worse Saturday – our worst offensive performance since SMU. I think the first half vs. UMd was pathetic. When we finally got something going, they brought in Stone on a key 3rd and 6. Now I don’t know if Evans was hurt, but if you really want to catch UMd by surprise, have Stone throw it.

  14. Dan 10/23/2006 at 8:25 PM #

    Al this talk about X number of points is making everyone look a little small minded.

    I know this started on RAWFS in an article in which they incorrectly compared 24 points of offense to the Mendoza line. An article that was flawed in so many ways.

    But think about this? What is worse? An offense that routinely scores 23 points? Or a defense that gives up 25? I think its pretty clear. This nonsense about 24 points is getting freaking ridiculous.

  15. Woof Wolf 10/23/2006 at 8:39 PM #

    20.14 points for and 21.90 points against ain’t getting it.

  16. Mr O 10/23/2006 at 8:51 PM #

    Considering we have put about a dozen guys in the NFL the last two years from our defense, then IMO our D is doing about as well as could have been expected so far this year. We needed the O to step up this year and so far that hasn’t happened.

  17. Wolfpack4ever 10/23/2006 at 10:55 PM #

    choppack1 Says: “O – at what point does the current staff become accountable for putting together a gameplan which fails to get to that Mendoza line? It’s been a bad problem the last 3 years – and some would say it’s only getting worse, when it should be improving…”

    I assert that they accountable right now but Trestman can only be accountable for the last 1.5 years, not 3. What’s a mother to do? Trestman for all intents and purposes seems intelligent and has a world of experience at his job. But the buck stops with Chuck. At some point and it is about now, he has got to make some changes in strategy.

    We are a living example of Rita Mae Brown’s definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

    Our performance in the first half at Md made it clear to me that we weren’t just in need of a QB change, and I never thought that was what was needed early on anyway, but something is amiss. I wish I was smart enough to see what it is but I suspect it goes beyond simplistlic, “you go long” from my playground days.

    My hope was and is that the strategy of a short passing game to augment what should be an outstanding running game to use control that ball, would work. and it still might but even I know with my 6th grade mind that time is running out on any development stage.

  18. johnny 10/24/2006 at 12:19 AM #

    Doubt if many need to view recruiting ranking to know the wf has one of if not the best coach and staff in the league. He just does a great job.

  19. primacyone 10/24/2006 at 9:48 AM #

    Yeah. That’s a great idea. Let’s follow his plan. Let’s stop recruiting the top talent in the country and only recruit talent condisdered in the middle of the pack from a ranking perspective. Let’s then put everything on hold and just forget about the next 2-3 season while we red shirt every single freshman that comes in. That way, five years from now we can play we a loaded team of redshirt seniors and win some ball games. Chuck could then take all the credit for growing a program and developing talent that is not NFL calibar. You know, exactly what Wake Forest and Jim Grobe have done. Let’s do that. Let’s start right now. It must be nice playing a ton of redhirt seniors.

    Oh wait. I forgot. We have fans. That would never work.

  20. Mike 10/24/2006 at 10:52 AM #

    Primacy, Grobe recruits the players that are overlooked, not wanted, or slip through the cracks. Not knocking our school or any other but Wake and Duke both struggle to get guys into school that are accepted at public universities. Grobe does one heck of a job with the talent he is able to get. Give Grobe Chuck’s talent, watch what happens.

  21. primacyone 10/24/2006 at 11:23 AM #

    Mike,

    I agree with everything you said. I’m just saying that we as fans will not let Chuck coach the same way.

    Grobe has had five years to devlope his best players. Imagine Chuck being able to play as many reshirt seniors this year as Grobe has. Imagine if he could have redshirted Phillip Rivers one year. He did not have that luxury.

    I not saying Grobe is a bad coach. He is an awesome coach. Most importantly his guys are disciplined. I am just relating to the subject of this thread and the statistics above. Most of Grobe’s guys this year are from the 2001 class. Chucks are not. And because of that we are comparing apples to oranges and that is not fair to Chuck.

  22. Mike 10/24/2006 at 12:32 PM #

    So true Primacy. And yes he is using 5th year players and letting others sit. Next year will be the same story. Part of that is the expectations of the incoming guys – they know they are going to sit for a couple years. Our guys all want to play right away. My opinion is once established, the method Grobe is using will be consistent and successful. Based on the talent level, probably never competing for the BCS title, but could be competing for ACC division rights most years.

  23. redfred2 10/24/2006 at 3:51 PM #

    “Oh wait. I forgot. We have fans. That would never work.”

    I wasn’t quite following that reasoning until I thought all of the whinning and complaining in anticipation of this upcoming basketball season. You are right though, people cannot wait for real development of a PROGRAM. It is all about the last/next game, THIS season, and nothing else.

    I can handle a loss to WFU, or almost anybody, even UNC on occasion, if the team shows some consistency and a constant direction. We still haven’t found any rhythm, nothing new or old is developing overall from week to week, and that is the part of this football program that I cannot tolerate anymore than I could in basketball.

    I can tolerate losing games, but there had better be something learned and carried over into the next game that will benefit the team. Every game looks like we’re starting from square one again, and still just waiting for the other team to give us to react upon.

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