CLT OBS: Butch Davis Interested in Carolina Job

The Charlotte Observer reported today that former Miami Hurricanes and Cleveland Browns Head Coach, Butch Davis has expressed an interest in the vacant UNC-CH Head Football Coaching position.

Former Cleveland Browns and Miami Hurricanes football coach Butch Davis told the Charlotte Observer on Tuesday that he is interested in North Carolina’s coaching position.

“I don’t know what direction they’re going to go in,” he said by telephone, “but I definitely am interested, and I’m interested in getting back into coaching.”

From SFN’s perspective, Butch Davis would be huge home run for Dick Baddour and Carolina. We think that Davis is far and away the best potential name that will have a legitimate interest in the Carolina job.

Interestingly, the manner in which Carolina has chosen to execute this transition (in the middle of the season) has the potential to end up being sheer genius or complete folly.

With Butch Davis currently unemployed, it would not be bad form for either side to get connected during the season. Carolina could ultimately land this year’s coaching prize while all other potential suitors (Miami? Michigan State? others?) are still playing out their seasons waiting for December to arrive. In the end, Carolina could lock up Davis and ultimately save – or even improve – their strong 2008 recruiting class.

Of course, if Davis chooses to wait and see what fate ultimately befalls coaches like Larry Coker at Miami, Mike Shula at Alabama (Davis is rumored to have a big interest in the Crimson Tide’s job) and Dennis Franchione at Texas A&M then Carolina may have to walk a very tight rope with potential “back-up” options like the head coaches of Tulsa and Rutgers.

Something unexpected inside of college football could always arise as the season ends (Florida State? Penn State? Etc?) and start a chain reaction of changes for which Davis may want to make sure that he is available. I know that it is HUGE reach…but to illustrate the point, consider if Bobby Bowden chose to retire and Mack Brown decided to end his career at his alma mater. Davis would be an amazing catch for the University of Texas. It is just fun speculation; but that is what we do as fans.

If nothing else, wouldn’t Davis be smart to wait until all the chips fall in the off-season to make his ultimate decision?

If UNC ultimately lands Davis, then the heat on both Chuck Amato and Lee Fowler will increase significantly.

People will be quick to (righfully) point to Baddour, who is roundly viewed as being an idiot, landing a big fish for the secondary sport at UNC. Compared to Fowler who executed a search to allow NC State to be publicly rejected by at least four coaches during his search for the primary sport at NC State.

Something to ponder regarding NC State’s frustration with Carolina football in recent years. Consider that UNC-CH has had 9 straight years of mediocre-to-poor-to-downright bad football, yet NC State is 3-5 against them in those 9 years despite the Wolfpack being favored in six or seven of the eight games. Yuck.

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76 Responses to CLT OBS: Butch Davis Interested in Carolina Job

  1. Mr O 10/24/2006 at 5:19 PM #

    It is always amazing to me how people get banned from posting on rivals boards.

  2. Mr O 10/24/2006 at 5:21 PM #

    Blockbuster Bowl? Or was it the Micron PC Bowl whe Edguerrin James went nuts?

  3. redfred2 10/24/2006 at 5:26 PM #

    Tarheel86

    Was that Charlotte Disturber article you pointed out there about Sidney Lowe before or after the article concerning Roy Williams questionable actions. I now the article about Lowe absolutely made the front page and the Williams thing was buried way back in the back, that’s a given, but I’m talking time wise? Any idea?

  4. redfred2 10/24/2006 at 5:57 PM #

    I wonder if ERskine has spoken with Butch yet?

  5. Woof Wolf 10/24/2006 at 6:05 PM #

    choppack1:

    I’m not saying that Davis is not a good coach, and I don’t want to see him in Chape Hill. I just think he may be a little over rated. The year before he beat us in the bowl game, he coached the only losing season in Miami since 1979.

    In the game against us, he had better talent and our coach was MOC. Having said all that if we needed a head coach, he would be just fine. If he gets ends up in CH, I could be happy with Coker.

  6. beowolf 10/24/2006 at 6:47 PM #

    Folks, please don’t feed the troll, no matter how rock-stupid he is.

  7. wolfonthehill 10/24/2006 at 6:52 PM #

    Agreed that this is worst-case for NC State. Absolutely worst-case. I cannot imagine another coach who’s not firmly entrenched somewhere and who would more quickly take them to national prominence. In 3 years, I honestly believe that unc-ch will be able to make our favorite argument, but against us instead… “Why are we even talking about NC State? Our rivals are Florida State, Miami, Va Tech, Clemson, and Boston College.”

  8. redfred2 10/24/2006 at 7:26 PM #

    wolfonthehill

    That is truly a grim thought.

    Chuck, the breaking in period and apprenticeship has just ended. Get your raspy, squeaky, top heavy, ass in gear and produce on the football field, RIGHT NOW!!!

  9. Dan 10/24/2006 at 7:32 PM #

    First off. Tarheel, you serve the stereotype well. Thank you for confirming our long held convictions regarding Chapel Hill degrees and the ability to read.

    2nd. I ABSOLUTELY reject the notion that the next coach at Chapel Hill has any influence on the temperature under Chuck Amato. If it does, we are all freaking idiots. Failure is failure. Success is success. Right now Chuck needs to improve in the years to come. I am 100% behind him. However, I am behind him because I think he can produce the needed improvement. Right now I’m looking at 2007 and 2008. If we are not substantially better by then, I will be open to a change NO MATTER WHAT THE CHAPEL HILL TEAM IS DOING.

    SFN: But, haven’t you absolutely accepted the notion that the coaches in Chapel Hill and Durham have a huge impact on our baskebtall coach and program? You have taken this exact position dozens of times in past comments. How can you try to have it both ways?

    The moment we start being a reactionary fan base is the moment we become too shortsighted to understand what the hell is going on.

    Note: This is not to disagree with the previous article on SFN regarding the hire’s effect on NC State. It will effect us. It may very well become more difficult. However, the difficulty of the matter just doesnt change expectations. He has to win games

  10. justaguy 10/24/2006 at 7:38 PM #

    As someone who followed Butch as head coach of the Browns, I can’t say I’m all that impressed with his coaching abilities or his eye for talent. But in the college game, as former UNC coach Mack Brown illustrates, recruiting and assitant coaches count for far more. Davis would be able to assemble a very good staff and recruit both high quality players. That being said, college football has changed in the short time since Davis left UM: there’s more talent in the college ranks. The days of an FSU dominating the ACC are over. In the ACC he is going to have 5 or 6 competitive league games rather than 3 or 4 like the old big east.

  11. redfred2 10/24/2006 at 8:56 PM #

    Dan

    Right now is not the time to get worried. But, seven years in comparison there and who knows. Amato clearly has to win games. NOW

    I don’t think you are denying the factor that is unfortunately and innately powder blue. Give that factor some momentum, whether appreciated by the BB fans or not, and it will grow. It will make a huge difference for the small group that matters, the HS football kids in NC and surrounding states. Those who grew up and already like UNC because of BB.

    Spongelike.

  12. TomCat 10/24/2006 at 9:36 PM #

    Wouldn’t be a stretch… for Davis to hire Logan as OC. fyi: Logan defeated Davis’s Miami team- both times he faced them: once in Raleigh, once in Miami. Davis is very… familiar with Logan.

  13. GAWolf 10/24/2006 at 9:40 PM #

    A monkey could recruit talent to U of M. Countless Five Star recruits grow up in UofM’s backyard and thus grow up Miami fans. It takes more than a monkey to recruit that type of quality athlete to a NC school. While this hire bothers me to some extent, I think it’s a much safer hire for us as Pack fans than a Petrino or the like. I think Davis will find life in Chapel Hill, playing second fiddle to hoops and having to fight his ass off for recruits, to be quite different than what he experienced at Miami.

    You stat guys can probably bring up Butch’s classes at UM. What percentage were from South Florida? Also, did Miami at that time have the type of standards the ACC requires of them now?

  14. Woof Wolf 10/24/2006 at 10:02 PM #

    Actually, compared to all the others who haved coached at Miami since 1978, his stats may be the worst.

  15. Wxwolf 10/24/2006 at 10:41 PM #

    This was mentioned in an article in the Miami Herald several weeks ago.

  16. bTHEredterror 10/24/2006 at 11:34 PM #

    They can have Butch Davis, he is the only Miami coach to post a losing record since the 70’s (5-6 in 95?96?) and he couldn’t beat ECU remeber?! Hell he should be having nightmares about comig back to CArter-Finley! Hire him ‘Holes! Do it now!

  17. bTHEredterror 10/24/2006 at 11:37 PM #

    They can have Butch Davis, he is the only Miami coach to post a losing record since the 70’s (5-6 in 1997) and he couldn’t beat ECU remember?! Hell, he should be having nightmares about coming back to Carter-Finley! Hire him ‘Holes! Do it now!

    SFN: 1997? Isn’t that at the beginning of him dealing with scnadal and the ashes left by huge NCAA sancations? What real relevance is that to his overall performance and the manner in which he built their program back?

  18. WolfPup35 10/24/2006 at 11:57 PM #

    The fact that all the big, bad ‘Holes fans can say about Sid is that “he does not hold an undergraduate degree” shows that since there is uncertainty, there is fear…will NCSU finish 12th?? Maybe, maybe not….remember, even Robinson beat UNC (several times).

  19. Dan 10/25/2006 at 9:29 AM #

    “But, haven’t you absolutely accepted the notion that the coaches in Chapel Hill and Durham have a huge impact on our baskebtall coach and program?”

    No, but what I have accepted, and what you guys wrote in that last article, is that other coaches make the job here more difficult. Roy has raised the stakes. He has put some talent out there and that makes it harder to compete. It takes a better brand of ball to win now. But the goal is still the same whether Roy is there or not. Whether its easy or difficult. To win and be consistently competitive. If we were a 1-4 seed every year (not a 7-11 seed), I wouldnt care what Chapel Hill and Duke were doing. I’d love the coach.

    Its a fine line. But I dont think the fire should get hotter if Bear Bryant comes back from the dead and goes to UNC. I dont care if its Bear Bryant or Carl Torbush over there. If they are 1-11 or 11-1. I expect us to compete with the best teams in the conference whether they wear blue, orange, garnet, or gold.

  20. CaptainCraptacular 10/25/2006 at 10:07 AM #

    Wow. Just.. wow. Hard to believe the comments labelling Davis as overrated and that Carolina can have him. Miami was completely gutted by the NCAA at the end of Erickson’s stint there. Loads of scholarships lost and lots of other internal restrictions. Think similar to the Les Robinson years here. If Les had taken our program to the final 4 by 1997, that would be somewhat comparable to what Davis did at Miami.

    Keep on thinking that Carolina can have him. I’d say it would take 3 years, and by the middle of his 3rd year you’d be very sorry you ever thought that.

  21. redfred2 10/25/2006 at 10:24 AM #

    Dan

    Your own coaching talent has to be comparable with those others in the same conference, otherwise you don’t win a game. The more talent at the head coaching positions throughout the league, the more thinly the local recruiting talent gets spread about. All I’m talking about, just like with Chris Wright, is familiarity and proximity.

    The recruiting talent that Amato has brought to NCSU has been good enough to beat not only FSU, BC,… but even moreso those in the middle of the pack. Is it possible that if Amato were losing to the ranked teams, defeating the ones where his team considered to be equal or even hold a slight edge, that he could possibly add a few ice cubes to his derriere right about now? He should be dominating the lower tier.

    Showing the ability to step up, but just on occassion, is where all the heat is coming from.

  22. Dan 10/25/2006 at 10:38 AM #

    “Showing the ability to step up, but just on occassion, is where all the heat is coming from.”

    I agree. And it needs to get better. I hope for Chuck’s sake those of us who think he WILL do it are right. But, again, regardless of who is coaching where, he has no later than 2008 to give us a team we feel can win at least 8 wins a year with peaks in double digits and valleys at 6-7.

    And I do feel he has to recruit with Chapel Hill’s coach. But I dont care if its Torbush or Lombardi over there. Whether its easy or hard. He has to do it.

  23. redfred2 10/25/2006 at 10:51 AM #

    I’m confused with the situation week in and week out, but I am with Chuck Amato, he has accomplished some great things, “concrete” and intangible. I hate to lose all of those intangibles because of something that appears to just out of reach at the moment, but fixable.

  24. BoKnowsNCS71 10/25/2006 at 11:09 AM #

    Agree with you Redfred. Having some “consistency” in Assistant Coaching staff, their getting experience against our rivals, getting our offense settled in will help next year. (i.e. Cignetti at UNC said when he was at Fresno that it took 3 years for the West Coast Offense to “sink in” to the players heads but after it did Fresno was pretty darn good).

    We also have some holes that CA has recruited to replace. Having those early departures did not help. Also, when you get a bunch of stars — few people behind them get playing time. Now this year — they have been thrown in.

    Mistake prone players this year will be better next year. If they will stop fumbling and turning over the dang ball. we might get better this year.

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