Poor Decisions Killing the Pack

“Poor decisions Killing the Pack”

Does that sound familiar?

Sure it sounds familiar to NC State football fans who have followed the Wolfpack in the 6+ years of the Chuck Amato era. Excessive penalties and turnovers indicated an extreme lack of discipline that helped wrecked the Wolpack’s most recent two football seasons. Even the Philip Rivers years saw the program consistently mismanage the clock, spend timeouts like a sailor in a whorehouse, and get out coached with game-strategy at most turns.

So, is it any real surprise that poor decisions continue to haunt the program today?

As an example from Saturday night – late in the 3rd quarter at Southen Miss, NC State was down 23-10 and had the ball with a 1st down and goal from the Southern Miss six yard line.

Despite having Andre Brown and Toney Baker in the back field, Offensive Coordinator Marc Trestman inexplicably decided to put Marcus Stone in a position where Stone would exercise judgement and need to make key decisions on the field.

Why?

Seriously…WHY!?

On the play, Stone scrambled away from pressure to his left and had a lane to pick up some yards and possibly score a touchdown. Instead, one of the most inaccurate passers in college football chose to throw completely against the momentum of his body and into the middle of the field to a spot where not a single NC State receiver stood. A USM defensive back intercepted the pass. USM then drove the field to make the score 30-10 instead of a potential 23-17.

It didn’t end there. On the Pack’s defensive series that followed, State’s Tank Tyler was ejected from the game for unsportsman-like conduct in one of a series of inexusable and embarassing penalties committed by the Wolfpack. In fact, after just three quarters of play NC State had committed 8 penalties for over 100 yards – at least 3 of those penalties had been late-hits or unsportsmanlike calls.

Most State fans don’t mind losing when our boys are obviously working their ass off and giving 100% effort on and off the field. As long as everyone does their best and conducts themselves like men should then asking for much more is a debatable stretch. But losing like State is doing tonight – with little visible effort on the field and with MORE thug-like unsportsmanlike penalties like we have seen the last few years is unacceptable. Period.

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111 Responses to Poor Decisions Killing the Pack

  1. WolfPup35 09/17/2006 at 6:41 PM #

    Everyone’s bitching about Amato…what..you want Tom Reed back??

  2. travelwolf 09/17/2006 at 8:20 PM #

    I just hope we start searching for a new football coach BEFORE Carolina!

  3. GAWolf 09/17/2006 at 9:01 PM #

    Bwahahaha. You’re trying to tell me you don’t think Norm Chow could do more with a quarterback who has been in his system for three (3) years and two potential superstars at running back than what we’re seeing right now????? I realize our offensive line is probably the worst in the conference, but you’re seriously trying to tell me that you don’t think Chow could move the ball better with what we’ve got than anyone else on the planet?

    That’s just nonsense. Give me Chow and an eightgrader at quarterback and I’ll trade you Marcus, Daniel, Justin and Trestman everyday of the week.

  4. redfred2 09/17/2006 at 9:05 PM #

    Went to Ocracoke for the weekend with a crowd who were about 75% UNC grads/fans. I avoided the TV like the plague and asked them not to tell me any scores so as not put any damper on the weekend. It’s times like these that make me ‘think’ I am so damn much wiser than my years, I just read the paper about fifteen minutes ago.

    I guess it’s official now, this is absolutely a “down”, “off”, “rebuilding”, whatever year.

    Nothing else to say.

  5. Wolfpack4ever 09/17/2006 at 9:11 PM #

    Sippit Says:

    “… if Burke has all the hype of being the quarterback of the future let him take over now as a freshmen. Maybe we’ll see how good he is if he can handle all that pressure. PR was able to do it.”

    Just a little reminder that Philip Rivers came to State and learned the offense in Spring Practice. Justin Burke was in HS and went to the Spring Prom. This is just not apples to apples. While JB might be the hope of the future, I wouldn’t compare him to PR just yet.

    I wasn’t going to say anything until I could say something positive.

    to be cont.

  6. Wolfpack4ever 09/17/2006 at 9:11 PM #

    Still looking…

  7. choppack1 09/17/2006 at 9:12 PM #

    “You obviously missed the off-season hype that comes up each and every summer since the Gator Bowl win. Then the overblown expectations turn into anger when the cold hard reality starts to sink in. I don’t necessarily understand it either, but I’ve witnessed it three years running.”

    Well, we expect more because we’ve got a coach who has been here 7 years. We expect more because, while some of us expected a struggle in the first 3-4 years, we’d really start to see the results of what Amato was building, years 5, 6, and 7.

    Well, right now, the results are pretty damning, the bigger the Amato stamp, the worse we appear to be getting.

    When Amato arrived, we needed toughness and heart. We now need discipline and execution. There is NO excuse to lose 2 Mid-majors back to back the way we have lost. The blame falls solely on the staff.

    Don’t get me wrong, Amato can still turn this ship around. However, if we go 2-6, I challenge any one to tell me this program is going the right direction and prove it.

  8. Wolfpack4ever 09/17/2006 at 9:12 PM #

    nothing yet.

  9. Wolfpack4ever 09/17/2006 at 9:12 PM #

    maybe tomorrow.

  10. WolfPup35 09/17/2006 at 9:29 PM #

    We’ll see….sometimes bad press can be a good thing…you feel that sting?
    That’s pride f***ing with you.

  11. Wolfpack4ever 09/17/2006 at 9:47 PM #

    WolfPup35 Says:

    “My next statement may get a few nods and a few eye rolls, but Tyler should not play vs. BC. PERIOD.”

    At a minimum suspend him for a half. If I were certain about the handshake thing, I’d want to know why he played at all last night.

    These are hard times to be with. I was so pissed I would not post last night or all day today. Thank all of your for expressing the dark side of my mind.

    The wheels of justice grind slowly. I for one am going to give the AD and the Chancellor time to make a decision and take action before I jump to any conclusions about what they are doing or are not doing.

    When action is taken, I don’t expect a public trial or skewering. Chudk may go down hard. He’s a fighter. My druthers would be that he turn the program around and that includes himself.

    In this day and time the standard procedure is to first give a verbal warning and then a written warning or notice, before termination occurs. We here at SFN (I know I am) can get sick and tired of losing to UNC, losing to underdogs, poor decisions, bad play-calling, penalties, etc., but the Chancellor will not instruct the AD to fire Chuck for those reasons.

    While at this time I find it distasteful to defend Chuck for ANYTHING, I have to say that his maintaining an optimistic facade is a must if this team has any chance at doing anything positive this year.

    It is so easy to find fault with everything he says once someone like Chuck fails out of our good graces. I know I have a ton of shit — down from 10 tons — I would like to lay on him tonight. And I’m not.

    Our very best scenerio IMO is for Chuck to be put on notice, take it seriously and start disciplining the team and individuals even if it meant losing 1, 2 or more games due to the disciplilne. Another good move on his part would be to be public about being put on notice and make promises about cleaning up his act and promising to resign if he doesn’t.

    BTW Is Trestman’s contract up this year or next? Anybody know?

  12. WolfPup35 09/17/2006 at 9:55 PM #

    They gave him a contract?? There’s ANOTHER bonehead play!!

    If it were up to me, he’d be paid by the point.

  13. Wolfpack4ever 09/17/2006 at 10:16 PM #

    WolfPup35 Says:

    “They gave him a contract?? There’s ANOTHER bonehead play!!”

    I get the frustration but giving multi-year contracts to assistants is the ONLY way to lure want appears at the time to be top flight assistants. And Trestman appeared to everyone but Mike to be a good hire. Why I asked the question? Top save our breath calling for Trestman/s head if he has another year to go on his contract. Don’t even THINK about not honoring his contract. Sorry to say it but the same is likely true for Chuck.

  14. WolfRed 09/17/2006 at 10:20 PM #

    The only thing about the game that was even slightly hopeful was Dan Evans.

  15. Wolfpack4ever 09/17/2006 at 10:52 PM #

    WolfRed Says:

    “The only thing about the game that was even slightly hopeful was Dan Evans.”

    Daniel did a nice job. On another thread it was pointed out that he was throwing underneath against a prevent defense against 2nd stringers and I believe he threw an INT as well as his TD. I’m sure Johnny was proud of his son but he wasn’t effusive about the accomplishment.

    Success doing mop-up duty against 2nd stringers may not be something to base your hopes on.

  16. brown pelican 09/17/2006 at 10:53 PM #

    i’m in the play evans this year and let burke win the job next year camp—to continue down the same path will be disasterous—we don’t have the defense to play without the viable threat of the vertical passing game—for all of our woes at qb, the defensive production against akron and so miss has to be the most distressing and alarming occurance yet this season—hang tough—go pack!

  17. Hoosyodaddy81 09/17/2006 at 11:55 PM #

    “Somewhere Mike O’Cain is laughing his ass off” that Somewhere is Blacksburg, Va, where, last time i checked..there’s a real football team playing. however I am perplexed as to how VT’s usin #7…I thought the Hokies were all about Mike?

    Anyway, we obviously need to do something with Chuck, Trestman, and Good Ole’ Lee-roy. The three stooges of NCAA football. I’m afraid Chancellor Oblinger has to step in and get rid of fowler…i mean..MAF got rid of O’Cain…its time foulup rode his horse to pasture

  18. class of 74 09/18/2006 at 6:16 AM #

    Well Chuck may have solved the tailgaiting problem we have. Who needs to witness the lousy product he is now producing. Just remain in the parking lot cooking, eating, drinking and visiting with friends. At least that part of gameday is enjoyable.

  19. Cardiff Giant 09/18/2006 at 8:15 AM #

    “Everyone’s bitching about Amato…what..you want Tom Reed back??”

    (hic)

    Nice false dilemma. Of course we don’t want to return incomptence to replace incompetence.

  20. Wulfpack 09/18/2006 at 8:34 AM #

    Well we just might get Evans:

    http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/colleges/15545845.htm

    We have 3 crucial home games coming up. BC, FSU and the almighty 3-0 Demon Deacons. Striking out here gives us no hope. Time to strap it up and go to battle. We pretty much stunk the joint up these first 3 outings.

  21. BoKnowsNCS71 09/18/2006 at 8:52 AM #

    I checked the Chinese calendar and horoscopes. For the Wolpack this is the year of the Wolf — Lickin wounds.”

    I’ve pretty much written off this year and see this as one of those down years that many programs get due to the unexpected loss of Senior talent to the NFL or other negative things, unfortunate and untimely injuries (Blackman, AJ, our center,etc.) Add to that a less than steller QB. Time to regroup. Clemson should have a down year next year when they lose 4 Srs off the OL.

    How many times have you seen a new coach come to a team, have a great year followed by a bad one? Happened to Sheridan. Amato, and others. Changing coaches leaves a hole in recruiting that leaves you relying on Freshman talent too soon. Wake Forest did it smart. They gave their coach a 10-year contract. Since he did not have to worry about his job and wins early on, he was able to redshirt every freshman (unless a really bad hole existed) so his players are now more mature and know the system. Right now WF is looking good. Building that base is a formula for success versus playing musical chairs with coaches every 7 or 8 years when adversity sets in.

    Larry Coker is the coach more on the hot seat than anyone in the ACC. The Miami fans want to fire you when you lose 1 or 2 games. And the last few years have not been good to them.

    I think most other ADs at Duke, UNC and NCSU will keep their coaches.

  22. Wulfpack 09/18/2006 at 8:57 AM #

    ^How about Groh and Friedgen? Not looking good in those parts either. Agreed that Coker is feeling the heat. Not even competitive against Louisville after stomping all over the Cardinal logo prior to the game. Ugly.

  23. for2n8son 09/18/2006 at 8:59 AM #

    ^”Well Chuck may have solved the tailgating prob……”

    You know guys, it’s time for us as fans put up or shut. How many times have you read that one of our recruits came because they wanted to “play for those fans”? You want to really screw up our program for years to come? Start not showing up for the games. Stop cheering for the team.

    We all get frustrated because we live vicariously through these kids, but they are just kids. When you start not showing up or boo, you hurt them a lot more than the coaches and that just isn’t right. You want them to start showing more character, heart, courage, discipline? Then lead by example! Show some yourself. Any season ticket holder that doesn’t show up and support these kids with all they have got has no right to criticize them on the basis of a lack of character.

    I’m still going to be there this weekend even though I suspect we may get the living crap kicked out us. I’m going to cheer as hard as I can for the intros. I’m going to cheer everything they do well and try my best not to moan too loud hen they screw up. It’s tough to be a Wolfpacker right now so we are going to have to get tough. It’s not going to be fun. It’s not going to be easy. We got to ask ourselves, do WE have what it takes to build a championship football program? It’s easy to bitch, but can you fight?

  24. packpigskinfan23 09/18/2006 at 9:18 AM #

    “Any season ticket holder that doesn’t show up and support these kids with all they have got has no right to criticize them on the basis of a lack of character.”

    I agree completly!!! Hell, if any of you guys dont want to go to the games, then let me know. I would be glad to go in your place. I have no problem being a loyal fan that praises anything positive.

  25. BoKnowsNCS71 09/18/2006 at 9:28 AM #

    I think the definition of maturity is when you stop living and dying with the Wolfpack.

    Enjoy the wins when we get them. Revel in the sun when we are great. But don’t whine when we are down. This too shall pass.

    Guess I am waxing philosophic after being “waxed” this weekend. I don’t think that was a good choice of words for CA. I think we got lubed and bent over.

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