Evans @ QB and Brown @ TB

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An Evans and Brown in the same NC State backfield.

Sound familiar?

(This is a chance for all of your old-schoolers to reminisce a bit).

I have send out major credit to SFN community member, ‘Stormin Norman’ for this observation and general call about Evans/Brown.

Before LAST SEASON Stormin was preaching to me that Daniel Evans would be starting before the year was over and that Andre Brown SHOULD be the Wolfpack’s starting TB.

Stormin isn’t the only one who has been preaching this. Take a look at this entry from RAWFS:

Red & White has been saying this since the start of the 2005 season. Our players have been saying this since the start of the 2005 season. Individuals close to the Wolfpack football program have been saying this since the start of the 2005 season. Daniel Evans (#7 in the 2006 Day of Champions photo) is the best QB wearing the Wolfpack uniform. After Evans’ strong play at the end of the humiliating 37-17 loss to USM, Chuck Amato also saw what everyone else has been saying.

It took the coaching staff more than half the season to get the Andre Brown thing right last year…and, now it looks as though that same tardiness may have impacted the unveiling of Evans under center. All we can do now is hope that the new ingredients can improve on these sad results.

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76 Responses to Evans @ QB and Brown @ TB

  1. class of 74 09/20/2006 at 6:17 AM #

    Because we lack dynamic, forward thinking leadership at NCSU we will be stuck with Chuck for sometime. It seems to be symptomatic of all government employees the reluctance towards change, that, plus the tenure syndrome work to Chuck’s advantage. But it is forums like this that can get an idea started and possibly wake-up the lethargic leaders.

    I wish Daniel Evans nothing but the best, but to think his insertion in the lineup will solve Chuck’s problems is far fetched. As many before me have said: “hope is not a strategy”.

  2. Wolfpack4ever 09/20/2006 at 8:07 AM #

    class of 74 Says:

    Our leadership is not quite as forward thinking and dynamic as say Oklahoma’s but the facilities that they approved and authorized the building of shows more than the conservative leadership of the Willis Casey era where the athletic department always operated in the black — if we didn’t have the money, we didn’t spend it.

    While Evans promotion may not solve Chuck’s problems, it sould solve our West Coast offense problems. Evan’s HS ran a wide open spread offense — 25 to 30 passes per game — whereas Stone was rated as one of the top RUN/pass quarterback prospects in the country in a more traditional offense that employed more of the verticle passing game some many here on SFN wanted Stone to throw.

    We are likely to see Stone run more — and I for one hope so — if he is relagated to back-up or secondary status. Who had you rather see on a QB sneak?

    I was one who did not favor callously benching Stone without going the route we took. Team chemistry and team morale could have taken a big hit. Not so now. Could Stone play TE or LG, areas we need improvement. Heck, let him put on 60 pounds and play tackle. LOL

    Good luck Daniel Evans and Go Pack.

  3. Red_Terrors 09/20/2006 at 8:08 AM #

    Not to stray too far off topic, but has anyone seen SI’s latest power rankings? They put us at 86 out of 119, while putting unx at 68 and that scum (nice description Wolfpack4ever) over in g-ville at 81. Just another example of the disrespect for our program by the media. Here’s to Evans getting it done on Saturday! GO PACK!!!

  4. choppack1 09/20/2006 at 8:21 AM #

    wp4ever – I chose those schools because they were schools w/ similar fan support, and w/ the exception of Colorada – not “the” university in their state and because those coaches played in BCS Bowl games – w/ the exception of Louisville. I would consider Louisville in that category as well.

    I suppose we could compare Amato to the most successful coaches of the schools you mention and throw in GaTech for good measure – but I doubt he’ll compare favorably there either.

    Also, regarding the linemen – I have no idea if the underclassmen are better than the current starters. I’m just saying that Chuck has shown he’ll stick by a veteran – even when the veteran is struggling, before putting in a younger player.

  5. Wolfpack4ever 09/20/2006 at 8:21 AM #

    Old-schooler reminicing a bit here — I have been wondering why I have been so defensive of Stone. Stone is fair-skinned, blonde version of another NCSU quarterback from the past — Roman Gabriel. Gabe was one tough SOB just like Stone. I ain’t ever been hit as hard as I was hit by Gabe combating for a rebound in old Frank Thompson Gym. Gabe was athletic and tough, no question about it. I see Stone the same way.

  6. vtpackfan 09/20/2006 at 8:50 AM #

    “Stone was rated as one of the top RUN/pass quarterback prospects in the country in..”
    I really don’t have much respect for those in the recruiting/coaching arena who read into all these specialty categories that are so prevelent these days. There has to be some underlying character factors that allow a head football coach of a major conference to offer a full ride to a great public university. These QB’s run simultaneously the same reps in front of the coachs, there are not special drills for the “scrambler” and another for the graceful pocket passer. MS has to be expected in a big game to be able to send a few balls downfield to a closely covered receiver where only our guy can make a play on it, and his mobility assets can’t prevent that from being demanded. On the same notion, DE during the course of a big game has to be able to pull the ball in and leave the pocket looking for positive yardage on the ground. His polished passing skill set will not get him off the hook from getting the tough yards the old fashioned way to keep the drive alive (just please get your scrony _s_ down the first chance you get). This types of things have to be preached in practice by the coachs when the two are practicing side by side, not left unsaid because they knew when recruiting the player that it was not a strength or weakness in his respected resume.
    The biggest storyline I’m looking for on thurs. night is not the early play of DE (although it is critical in States efforts to claim an early ACC W) but the body language MS displays. He is so desperately needed by DE and the whole O unit for his enthusiasm and vocal leadership role. He has done the back up QB role prior with Davis and that past experience will be crucial in getting DE the extra support an alternative set of eyes and ears can offer. He also knows who to come into a game as a substitute at this key postion, or fill in after an unexpected injury and give an emotional boost after an incident that can often demoralize a squad. His actions will show one thing very clearly. If he is the same gamer and competitor that we all know him to be then we can rest assure for atleast one week that all is acceptible in Chucky’s camp. If he seems tentative or broody then we will know for sure that there is a serious dissconect happening right before our eyes with Chuck and another asstitant coach.
    Obviously a win would be huge for morale, but the dynamics involving the attitude with the parties involved in this situation may or may not reveal a lasting problem that could resurface itself again.

  7. Woof Wolf 09/20/2006 at 8:53 AM #

    Gabe had a cannon for an arm. I remember the last play of the first half at Duke. He dropped back to our fifteen and fired. The ball hit the receiver, who shall go unamed, in stride between the fifteen and twenty on the other end of the field. He was five yards behind the defender and as he started to pull the ball in he tripped over the fifteen yard line and crashed to the ground. The ball bounced harmlessly away.

    We had a great quaterback but not much else. We may have had only one football scholarship back then

  8. GAWolf 09/20/2006 at 9:04 AM #

    The only applicable thing I see in the Beamer analogy is that we’ll be lucky to win 2 games in Chuck’s 7th year. I seriously don’t see a “gimme” game on our schedule the rest of the way out the way we’re playing and handling ourselves on and unfortunately off the field.

    I’m not going to personally scream “fire him!” because from what I see come January our record will be saying that loud and clear. Here’s to hoping Chuck turns it around and takes us to another “successful year” and a shitty bowl game. But here’s also to hoping our administration does the appropriate thing if we only win 2 games this year.

    If y’all don’t think we’re greatly in danger of losing to UNC and ECU to finish up the year, you’re crazy. They smell blood and they’ll be hungry. Do you think our boys will feel the same way? I highly doubt it. Regardless of what happens between now and then, if Chuck and Co lose out to those two schools, expect a lynch mob like we’ve never before seen.

  9. Wolfpack4ever 09/20/2006 at 9:34 AM #

    choppack1, This is not an argument for or against what you had to say comparing us to other schools. Your posts are of the group I read with interest in what you have to say. While fan base is a valid basis for comparison, I assert the fan base is more likely to create pressure than to insure success. A school’s tradition, recruiting base and style of play weigh in more heavily in a coach’s success I would think.

    I was glad to see Tressman because I initially thought his pro-style of play and ability to coach and prepare quarterbacks and periphially receivers for pro fb was an asset. However, IMO the decision to force the players he had into this mold was a mistake.

    I believe that Chuck hiring Tressman ultimately will result in success but we will have to suffer from the square peg/round hole syndrome until players of the mold are on campus.

    With Dunbar guiding the defense and Tressman guiding the offense, we have the potential for big-time success here at NCSU. If Chuck has enrolled his AD in this concept, it is not likely that Chuck will be fired in this transition period.

    What we are likely to have is an organization similar to the one that Bobby Bowden built at FSU. BB was CA’s mentor. While Chuck has had enough time to aleady have done this, he has failed to hire assistants who were up to the task. Luring top assistants is not as easy as wanting them. Mazzone SEEMED like he was a good OF. One never knows if the HC is calling the plays or if it is the OC. Mazzone’s prior success could be credited to his assistants and the HC without Chuck knowing.

    I think Chuck is slowly, emphasize slowly, but surely putting the pieces together. It is difficult to be generous in appraising the job an HC is doing when expectations are so high without results to match.

    IMNSHO bringing in another former assistant HC would be a mistake. Assistant coaches don’t have a team of other assistants to bring in. Luring a successful HC to a school without a rich football tradition would not be as easy as some think. Betting on a mid-major is our best bet — unless NCSU is viewed in HC circles as career suicide — and that’s entirely possible in light some of our previous hires such as Reed and Kiffian and what we have done to our successful HCs such as Sheridan. Bo Rein was long gone as was his successor, Lou Holtz.

    NCSU is a stepping stone for successful coaches to build resumes for the job of their dreams. This IS the job of Chuck’s dreams. For many reasons I hope cooler heads prevale and continue to support him and keep him and work with him on his public presentation. If we the fans stop singing “I don’t like anybody very much,” his job will be that much easier.

    He has the world on his back and as I have said before those that deserve support the least are the ones who need it the most. If my wife spent her time trying to find my warts instead of looking for the good in me, my ass would have been kicked to the curb a long time ago.

    It’s not going to happen but IMNSHO the best thing for Wolfpack football would be for us to start a thread looking for Chuck’s good points. They are there. We hired him for the good points. But what will likely happen is that for the near future, everything Chuck does and doesn’t do will be spin-doctored into a negative position.

    It must be human nature to tear down leaders. Catch a look at the Tar Heel blogs.

    Being talked to death is a terrible way to die. I hope this preposterously long post doesn’t kill-off any of our bloggers here on SFN.

  10. Woof Wolf 09/20/2006 at 10:21 AM #

    Good Points:

    Works and plays well with others? Wait, maybe we should ask present and former assistants and the media that love him so much before we sign off on that.

    Couldn’t cme up with anyting else. Some of the not so good points:

    HUGE EGO; short fuse; raspy voice that sometimes is so bad it affects his ability to communicate; terrible taste in sunglasses and shoes; and football teams that have under achieved for the last 3+ years. But it couldn’t possibly be his fault; just ask him.

  11. choppack1 09/20/2006 at 10:38 AM #

    wp4ever – Good post. You make some good points.

    If you would have told me 3 years ago, I’d be feeling this way about the state of our program, I would have laughed at you. I hope you are right. I haven’t given up on the season or Amato yet. Like I said, it could be just a QB problem. Ultimately, my biggest concerns are w/ Amato’s ability to adapt, learn and overcome. It’s not unusual for leader’s with strong personality and drive to experience initial success – and then experience hardship once they’ve settled. The same traits that created the initial success can result subordinates jumping ship.

    I really think Amato has the organizational skills and the ability to assess to be a great coach. I do wonder about his overall tempermeant and ego. Basically, if he can learn from the mistakes of the last 4 years – I believe we’ll be fine.

  12. class of 74 09/20/2006 at 10:48 AM #

    Chuck ain’t no Bobby Bowden, no matter how long he worked for Bowden and how much he “learned”. His people skills aren’t 1/100th’s of Bowden’s, and no matter how hard he tries he has never shown the ability in that very critical area.

    Bobby Bowden is beloved by nearly all in the media inspite of the many player problems that have occurred during his tenure at FSU. He is a very pleasent person to deal with on a day to day basis and this is why his program has been as stable for so long as it has been. In contrast, in seven short years you have media all over the ACC region that detest Chuck. That’s very telling in what kind of guy we have running our program not to mention his mediocre level of success and the lack of stability with his assistants. You could make a strong case the only way for us to retain assistants under Chuck is we must pay them above market wages just to stay here. He is a classic example of a peter principle business killer IMO.

  13. GAWolf 09/20/2006 at 10:50 AM #

    Not to mention, Bowden is a PR genius. Amato… well… not so much.

  14. redfred2 09/20/2006 at 11:03 AM #

    “It must be human nature to tear down leaders. Catch a look at the Tar Heel blogs.”

    I’d say, look at the world in general. There is a fine line of being too successful and becoming a target of everyone out there for that single reason, or not successful enough and becoming a much easier target to destroy.

    As far as putting the pieces together and the slow part goes, this season in particular, it has been excruciating. Changes should have been constantly implemented and experimentation should have already taken place from day one.

  15. Wolfpack4ever 09/20/2006 at 11:20 AM #

    GAWolf,

    Well said. Certainly can’t argue those points. The issue IMO isn’t whether we fire Chuck and replace him with an outstanding coach, the issue is if we fire Chuck will we have to endure 6 to 10 years of Kiffin. Reed, etc., before we find the coach to lead us to the promised land.

    IMO working with what we have to get better is a more viable option than hoping for a good coach from the unknown and unproven like, again Kiffin and Reed. If we are hoping for the second coming of Earl Edwards, an assistant at Penn State before we hired him, we may have a long wait.

    I just might be driven by the fear that I won’t live long enough to see success here at NCSU.

  16. Wolfpack4ever 09/20/2006 at 11:20 AM #

    To bad we could’t “red shirt” Chuck. 😉

  17. redfred2 09/20/2006 at 11:31 AM #

    ^Wolfpack4ever

    Since you’re here. How about kindly refering back over to the “Evans @ QB…” thread.

  18. redfred2 09/20/2006 at 11:34 AM #

    ^4ever

    ^My boo boo.

    That would be the “Evans to START…” thread.

  19. class of 74 09/20/2006 at 12:33 PM #

    We can find the right coach but LF will need to be left out of the loop until the contract is extended, that’s all.

  20. Wolfpack4ever 09/20/2006 at 12:55 PM #

    Sorry redfred, I guess I got confused when I read this:

    redfred2 Says:

    September 19th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
    I’ll never condone it, but it happens to athletes and regular college students as well, and it doesn’t take a kid, athlete or not, doing something totally childish, to embarrass me about a whole university.

    Never will.

    We’re be subjected to enough embarrassment from the adults in Raleigh anyway.

  21. redfred2 09/20/2006 at 1:55 PM #

    What in the hell have you ‘read into’ that post now. That has not one thing to do with giving a back up QB playing time, which was the subject of your smart ass rebuttle to my comment.

    Try to stay on track here.

    Please read the posts literally, just as the writers intended. And how about going back and answering to the direct questions posed in my first post on the dreaded “Daniel Evans starting…” thread again.

    Again, what’s the matter?

  22. redfred2 09/20/2006 at 2:27 PM #

    4ever,

    Slight apology here, though it still has absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter of your again, smart ass post from earlier.

    What I meant to say there was, that the action of a single, or small group of individuals will never make me feel ashamed or cause me to change my outlook on any university as a whole. That is any university, anywher, not just NCSU.

  23. Wolfpack4ever 09/20/2006 at 4:01 PM #

    fred, Whatever…

  24. redfred2 09/20/2006 at 5:03 PM #

    Wolfpack4ever

    “fred, Whatever…”

    Come on now, what kind of adult behavior is that?

    Some people just can’t face up.

  25. Wolfpack4ever 09/20/2006 at 6:36 PM #

    fred,

    I love the give and take here on SFN. You seem to be a little sensitive so I will not be reading and/or responding to your posts.

    e-mail me if you like but I don’t intend to get into a long, drawn out pissing contest here on SFN of a personal nature.

    my e-mail is [email protected]

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