Evans @ QB and Brown @ TB

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An Evans and Brown in the same NC State backfield.

Sound familiar?

(This is a chance for all of your old-schoolers to reminisce a bit).

I have send out major credit to SFN community member, ‘Stormin Norman’ for this observation and general call about Evans/Brown.

Before LAST SEASON Stormin was preaching to me that Daniel Evans would be starting before the year was over and that Andre Brown SHOULD be the Wolfpack’s starting TB.

Stormin isn’t the only one who has been preaching this. Take a look at this entry from RAWFS:

Red & White has been saying this since the start of the 2005 season. Our players have been saying this since the start of the 2005 season. Individuals close to the Wolfpack football program have been saying this since the start of the 2005 season. Daniel Evans (#7 in the 2006 Day of Champions photo) is the best QB wearing the Wolfpack uniform. After Evans’ strong play at the end of the humiliating 37-17 loss to USM, Chuck Amato also saw what everyone else has been saying.

It took the coaching staff more than half the season to get the Andre Brown thing right last year…and, now it looks as though that same tardiness may have impacted the unveiling of Evans under center. All we can do now is hope that the new ingredients can improve on these sad results.

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76 Responses to Evans @ QB and Brown @ TB

  1. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 09/19/2006 at 1:55 PM #

    Speaking of the po’leece- Any person that seeks to have legal power over others has questionable sensibilities in my view. Obviously society can’t funtion without their services but I have little trust of anyone the pursues dominating others while holding a badge and a gun. Many of these people are individuals that cover up the killing of an inocent person but scream bloody murder if someone is a ‘cop killer’.

  2. Jeff 09/19/2006 at 1:59 PM #

    Unfortunately, I once encountered a situation in Raleigh where a Raleigh Policeman lied his ass off about something involving ME. I was from a small town and before then naively believed that all policemen were upstanding. The extent that this officer was willing to go to swear to God that something that was not true was the truth has forever soured my trust.

  3. redfred2 09/19/2006 at 2:03 PM #

    Sit his ass down.

    But don’t act like similar hasn’t already happen elsewhere. And don’t try to make others feel shame or beat NCSU into the ground over the actions of ONE, 1, foolish 305lbs kid.

    I am really tired of that.

    Did anyone of you read the police records of the players in Chapel Hill when they were presented on this site??? They’re not worth a damn in football, but they’re not ashamed of their university because of what a few dumbass kids did.

    Get real.

  4. BladenWolf 09/19/2006 at 2:33 PM #

    At this point, I say it’s good to tinker with playing Evans at QB. Stone may have arm strength, but his decision making has proven dismal. I still question why we can’t have both backs doing double duty behind Evans, especially since our OL appears like swiss cheese, and the two back strategey will at least slow the potential injuries from marauding linbackers.
    Still I wonder at how quickly all the talk of “great athletes” in the preseason evaporates after two or three games and we always find ourselves looking for “Plan B” before the mid-way point in the season. Are all the pre-season discussions really that much hyperbole or what? I seem to recall much talk about our OL being at least “dependable” and all that bullshit (which I never bought). Where’s the accountability?

  5. BoKnowsNCS71 09/19/2006 at 2:45 PM #

    What would you guys do with a Coach with this record?

    1987 (2-9)
    1988 (3-8)
    1989 (6-4-1)
    1990 (6-5)
    1991 (5-6)
    1992 (2-8-1)

  6. BoKnowsNCS71 09/19/2006 at 2:48 PM #

    Before everyone says fire him. Look at the rest of the record.

    1987- Head Coach, Virginia Tech
    1987 (2-9)
    1988 (3-8)
    1989 (6-4-1)
    1990 (6-5)
    1991 (5-6)
    1992 (2-8-1)
    1993 (9-3) Independence Bowl champion
    1994 (8-4) Gator Bowl
    1995 (10-2) BIG EAST, Sugar Bowl champion
    1996 (10-2) BIG EAST co-champion, Orange Bowl
    1997 (7-5) Gator Bowl
    1998 (9-3) Music City Bowl champion
    1999 (11-1) BIG EAST champion, Sugar Bowl
    2000 (11-1) Gator Bowl champion
    2001 (8-4) Gator Bowl
    2002 (10-4) San Francisco Bowl champion
    2004 (10-3) ACC champion, Sugar Bowl
    2005 (11-2) ACC Coastal champion, Gator Bowl champion
    Record at Virginia Tech: 146-79-2 (19 years)

    Kind of takes the itch off the firing trigger finger some don’t it? This is why you don’t want to trade coaches out every 6 -7 years.

  7. Jeff 09/19/2006 at 3:05 PM #

    ^ That example is SO TIRED (and generally irrelevant) that I can’t believe that people still talk about it.

    Point #1: VPI was in the midst of scandal and NCAA troubles when Beamer took over from Bill Dooley. Doesn’t such a problem immediately buy a coach a few extra years? Hell, Herb Sendek got a 5 year pass and he was hired FIVE YEARS AFTER NC State had been put on probation. So, by NC State standards, probation = 10 years of no expectations.

    Point #2: VPI was HISTORICALLY SO BAD (pre-Dooley) that Beamer’s first 5 years weren’t really that bad.

    Point #3: VPI was seriously considering GIVING UP FOOTBALL altogether when Beamer took over. What is the “expectation” of a coach who is coaching a program that is considering dropping the sport altogether?

    Point #4: VPI built their success in large part by playing in, and becoming a part of the Big East where they had only 1 or 2 decently difficult games per year. Look at 1997…they got a GATOR BOWL bid with a 7-5 record (and got spanked by Carolina). It isn’t very hard to build a program when 8-4 and 7-4 records are getting you into the Gator Bowl.\

    Point #5: VPI’s best pre-ACC years came…coincidentally…when Miami’s program was completely dismantled with probation and they were the only thing left standing.

    Point is…everything is different and unique. The “Frank Beamer 7-year” example has a lot of unique qualities to it (NCAA problems, etc) that people always seem to ignore and evade when they use it as a point of reference.

  8. BoKnowsNCS71 09/19/2006 at 3:13 PM #

    Guess we have no precendent. We’ve never kept/retained a coach longer than what 6 or 7 years at the most?

  9. choppack1 09/19/2006 at 3:25 PM #

    Bo – So, now that Chuck is in year 7, can we expect 9-3 this year – I mean, he is the next Frank Beamer, after all, he’s told us so. (He’s also the next Coach K, too.)

    I do want to point out a couple of things though. First off, you see initially a steady improvement, then 2 years worth of dips. After that, the rest is history. With Chuck – you saw immediate improvement from the previous regime and a historic 2002 season. However, since then, he’s failed to capitalize on the momentum he’s built.

    This year isn’t over – so yea, we could finish 8-0 in the ACC and win the championship and some BCS bowl. But – if we have the year it looks like we’re having – how long do you wait around for Chuck to morph into the next Beamer?

  10. BoKnowsNCS71 09/19/2006 at 3:47 PM #

    Actually Chuck is in year 6 (not year 7) according to http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/north_carolina_state/coaching_records.php

    Personally, I think until we stay with a coach for more than 6-7 years, keep assistants for some time, etc then we will never ever do any better than we have in the past.

    We can’t be as stepping stone to a better coaching job. We also can’t chase away everyone who is willing to stay and who has proven they can coach but is going through a downturn. All major teams have had downturns. Some have comitted self suicide continuously firing coaches. Others endured and got better.

  11. BoKnowsNCS71 09/19/2006 at 3:48 PM #

    My bad. it is year 7. Remarks are still the same.

  12. Jeff 09/19/2006 at 3:59 PM #

    Wow. Check out this “original thought” about an Evans & Brown backfield over on Pack Pride today. (Link)

    You would think that they would at least give a little nod to where they read it first.

  13. redfred2 09/19/2006 at 4:04 PM #

    I have been there with CA forever, but I’ll be honest and I hate for Evans, this QB switch had better work and show some immediate improvement. This thing was starting on to take on the apearance of Wolfpack basketball, another Ron Popeill, “set it, and forget it,” and I am disliking it more and more every week.

    Amato can’t let the players down and write the season off by publicly stating that this is an off year, but he can try to improve the team by shaking things up early on. That would be a lot earlier on, than the conference opener in my mind.

    Is Evans being given serious consideration only right now, and straight up to a starting role no doubt, after a two game skid, evidence that the tail is wagging the dog pretty hard right now?

  14. Woof Wolf 09/19/2006 at 4:19 PM #

    At the press conference yesterday Chuck got into a long discussion / argument with the reporters over whether he has been successful and the hot seat deal. I thought he let it go on entirely too long. He used the Coach “K” analogy and a lot of other stuff we’ve all heard before. The thing that got to me the most was when he was asked how he woukd define a successful year, he thought about it and then he said, “A successful season is when you have a winning record and go to a bowl game.”

    Maybe my expectations are too high but with eight bowl tie ins for a twelve team conference, I don’t think going to Charlotte or Boise is anything to be especially proud of. I know that achieving that five out of six years is better than we have done it the past. I don’t know where I got the idea, but somehow I thought we were aiming a little higher.

  15. vtpackfan 09/19/2006 at 4:21 PM #

    That Tank Tyler story was interesting for something that doesn’t add up for me. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, period, but what happened at the captains coin toss was what baffles me. After the coin flip Tyler refused to shake the hands of the So. Miss. captains. WHAT THE HELL WAS TANK TYLER DOING OUT THERE AS A CAPTAIN! Is Chuck f-ing insane and just so stupid he’s innocently going through life without a care in the world save, “hey don’t scratch the car, its a classic”.

  16. redfred2 09/19/2006 at 4:57 PM #

    Where was Lee Fowler during that press conference I wonder? There must have been something more important for an AD to be doing. I’m guessing something like flying the heli to the home towns of each and every official from the Akron game personally apologizing to them face to face for our improper behavior after the game.

    Jolly good show there Lee. They’ll know when they enter C-F again, that there are no consequences no matter how poorly they perform.

    It’s become an NC State tradition in every aspect of their athletics department.

  17. WolfPup35 09/19/2006 at 5:11 PM #

    I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH VA. TECH!!!! Ever since the “injury” in the Peach bowl….Some will remember the footage of the VT player being “hurt”, but not too hurt to look up and see if the clock had been stopped. Then he got off the field under his own power, and joined the rest of the team jumping around after the last-second FG beat the ‘Pack!!!
    I’m not saying he was faking, but…….ok, yes the hell I am. I think that was when we had Sheridan….I still miss him.

  18. choppack1 09/19/2006 at 5:28 PM #

    “Personally, I think until we stay with a coach for more than 6-7 years, keep assistants for some time, etc then we will never ever do any better than we have in the past. ”

    You may be right, but when do you pull the trigger?

    I did some quick research on some other “successful” coaches at schools w/ a similar background to see how Chuck compared…

    Kansas State – Bill Snyder
    89 1-10
    90 5-6
    91 7-4
    92 5-6
    93 9-2-1
    94 9-3
    95 10-2

    (Notice Bill’s general trend.)

    Bill McCartney – Colorado
    82 2-8-1
    83 7-4
    84 1-10
    85 7-5
    86 6-6
    87 7-4
    88 8-4

    Washington State – Mike Price
    89 6-5
    90 3-8
    91 4-7
    92 9-3
    93 5-6
    94 8-4
    95 3-8
    Note: Here’s the coach who doesn’t really have a clear trend, his record at WSU was 83-78

    Louisville – John Smith (note: the year before Smith became HC, the ‘Ville went 1-10.)
    98 7-5
    99 7-5
    00 9-3
    01 11-2
    02 7-6
    (These actually look like Amato’s first 5 years.)
    Here’s what Petrino has done
    03 9-4
    04 11-1
    05 9-3

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Amato’s first 4 years were very good. His 5th year was forgiveable. I liked the way he battled back last year – but this year is starting out awful. It concerns the hell out of me that his best years are years 1 and 3. I would feel much better about the future if they were 5 and 6 and his worst years were 1 through 3.

    You see – I still think barring disaster – Chuck has earned next year based on those first 4 years. However, I think we’re being about as naive as possible if we tell ourselves that the program is heading in the right direction. I wonder if Amato’s personality is such that the ceiling of his success was reached in 2003 – where we went 5-3 in the “old” ACC. OTOH, maybe it just has been the QB play these last 2 years and 3 games and Saturday will usher in another “feel-good era.”

  19. Wolfpack4ever 09/19/2006 at 5:52 PM #

    ncsu96 Says:

    ^absolutely. This happened in July… why was he even allowed to play?

    Come on, ncsu96. I just don’t see the “death penalty” as punishment fitting the crime.

    “I’m embarrased for our universtity.” ncsu96, such hand wringing. A football player gets in trouble in the summer and you’re embarrassed for the university? And I thought my wife was a drama queen.

  20. Wolfpack4ever 09/19/2006 at 6:08 PM #

    choppack1 Says:

    Regarding the OL – as bad as it is, it is senior ladden – I believe we have 3 seniors starting at this time. Now, the question is, are these 3 starting because they’ve put to their time in or do they deserve the job.

    Good question, choppack1.

    LeRoy Harris has screwed up more than once but he is on the Rimington watch list, So I’d say he earned his time. Lathan has a concussion, Heppe has some nagging injury, Meares Green has been in the games and others have played so it’s not as if Holt and Newby start and play the entire game. I think it’s a stretch to suggest preferential treatment because they are seniors and “put in their time.”

    What do you have to offer to suggest otherwise?

  21. Wolfpack4ever 09/19/2006 at 6:37 PM #

    choppack1 Says:

    “I did some quick research on some other “successfulâ€? coaches at schools w/ a similar background to see how Chuck compared…”

    Kansas State – Bill Snyder
    Bill McCartney – Colorado
    Washington State – Mike Price
    Louisville – John Smith

    I like what John Smith is doing at Louisville, and maybe I’m naive, but is the recruiting competition in Kansas, Colorado and Washingtion what it is in North Carolina? A more fair (as if fair mattered) comparison might be UNC, UVA, VT, Md, USCar. I leave out Duke and WF, 2 other major colleges here and also the Pirates even tho they are CUSA scum. 😉

    Or we could compare how Chuck is doing compared to other first year head coaches such as brother Bunting.

    I’m not a statistician but is Chuck’s conference record over the 6 years a trend? Hardly. One win or lose here and there and the ‘sameness” of his record would be eeirie.

    Some of us don’t like Chuck’s offense or lack of it, some of don’t like losing to the tarholes, and some of us just don’t like Chuck, I wouldn’t get my panties in a wad and over excited about the prospects of Chancellor O directing the AD to fire Chuck because of what we perceive as a “trend” in his record. Chuck may be disappointing and we can diss him on an internet blog, but our disappointment is not even close to getting him fired.

  22. jimmy 09/19/2006 at 6:38 PM #

    Like STEWMAN07 SAID ABOUT NORM CHOW I here he is not happy, Who wouldnt want to play college football for a legend like NORM CHOW. hE WOULD PROBABLY JUMP AT THE CHANCE TO BE THE HEAD COACH OF A COLLEGE TEAM AND THE OFFENSE COORDINATOR AS A PLUS. ALL THESE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS WANT TO PLAY FOR A WINNG PROGRAM. ASK YOURSELF IF YOU WERE A GREAT HS FOOTBALL PLAYER, WHERE WOULD YOU WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL. WHERE WOULD YOU HAVE NC STATE ON YOUR LIST.

  23. noah 09/19/2006 at 6:55 PM #

    Norm Chow? The guy who only took jobs where he didn’t have to recruit because he hated it so much??

    Yyyyeah….

  24. jimmy 09/19/2006 at 7:11 PM #

    GREAT COMMENT FROM NOAH , GET CHOW AND WE DONT HAVE TO RECRUIT AS MUCH .i DIDNT THINK OF THAT, IT ALL STARTS WITH COACHING GUYS.

  25. WolfPup35 09/19/2006 at 8:47 PM #

    Hey, regarding CTC’s presser….I’m just really glad he was finally able to shut some of the media up and stop the ignorant questions. I’m not saying ALL of their questions are ignorant, but when the coach makes a change to try and put the best team together and a quality product on the field, the media STILL tries to put a more negative spin on it. Just goes to show the limits of a UNC journalism degree. I will say that I was very impressed with Tudor’s column in this morning’s N&O.

    1. Commenting on Amato finally being proactive on the offensive side of the ball. Even if CTC is a defensive coach, he realizes that the offense has been struggling and a change needed to be made.

    2. Saying that now BC has VERY little time to prepare for Evans, who is more of a passing threat and a different type of QB than Stone.

    It’s about time that the sportswriters in the N&O started writing semi-pro State articles instead of the “true blue” bullshit we’ve all become numb to.

    Good Luck to Daniel and the rest of the boys of Saturday night…..GO WOLFPACK!!

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