Summer School: ACC Basketball

Basketball has taken center-stage a little this week as football is still two weeks away and the ACC released 06-07 Basketball schedules yesterday. (N&O Story, Durham Herald Sun Story)

A few quick hits:

* Did anyone note that Seton Hall was NOT on NC State’s schedule despite previous public statements that indicated that the Wolfpack would travel to the Meadowlands this year?

* How can the ACC protect the season-ended tradition of Duke-Carolina and NOT get State-Wake and Maryland-Virginia right? It’s absurd.

* 4 or 5 games will be shown on ESPNU, which is not on any cable systems in North Carolina. There will be alot of pressure for these systems to add ESPNU. You can avoid this problem by getting a satellite dish.

Earlier in the week we had some conversations surrounding Basketball recruiting and more specifically, Jamelle McMillan. So, today we will take a look at some recent work that the major media outlets have done this summer their look at the 2006-2007 basketball season to a higher level .

ESPN took time for a summer school primer of the ACC. (Link)

On the video provided, Andy Katz says

“At Maryland, Gary Williams is feeling a little bit of heat”

Can you imagine? A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP and ACC CHAMPIONSHIP within the last five years and the fans are putting on a little heat?

OMG! Those must be some horrible fans! Obviously, they don’t know that no other coach would ever want to coach their program after being so mean and ungrateful to their current accomplished coach. Just like Indiana and College of Charleston ran away very successful coaches this year and ended up having to shut down their basketball programs because nobody would come coach for them! (Flashback to IU’s Bad Fans and Flashback to Charleston’s Bad Fans)

Do you think that the coaching fraternity and media will be protective of Gary Williams if Maryland fans ultimately “run him away”? I am willing to doubt that (a) Williams is not a quitter and would never be a big *ussy and run away to another job while whining to anyone that will listen about how unfair his life is and how the mean fans “forced” him to make his own choice to leave, and (b) the coaching fraternity wouldn’t hate to see Williams disappear because he has proven the ability to kick their ass.

Fox Sports gives us a little more detail than ESPN in some of the links that are embedded in this piece.

You can expect some personnel losses in a coaching change, but North Carolina State’s Sidney Lowe, who is taking over for Herb Sendek, has seen that go to extremes.

During that time, Lowe learned that one of his top potential returnees, Cedric Simmons, was entering the NBA draft two years early. Two recruits, Dan Werner and Larry Davis, asked for — and received — releases from the letters-of-intent they had signed under Sendek.

Even if Grant returns, the Wolfpack look to be no better than a middle-of-the-pack team in the ACC. Traditionally, that often gets a team an NCAA bid, but the conference got only four berths in last season’s tournament.

SFN had previously mentioned CollegeHoopsNet.com’s countdown of the Top 144 Basketball teams for 2006-2007. Unfortunately, CHN picks up on the “depletion” story their countdown and log the Wolfpack in at #107. Unfortunately, they are still using the NSC diamond logo that has not been associated with the basketball program in any way in over 16 years and has not been associated with NC State athletics in over six years.

RAWFS commented on the piece and highlight that Andrew Brackman is the wildcard to the season.

If Brackman plays basketball, it will add much-needed depth. That’s not looking likely, but if it happens, there’s no way NC State is a #107 team. In fact, with or without Brackman, the crew that Lowe will bring to the court in his first season at the helm of NCSU basketball could well have them in the top 64 teams on Selection Sunday.

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54 Responses to Summer School: ACC Basketball

  1. packbackr04 08/22/2006 at 11:31 AM #

    vt^^ i saw that. nothing really new though, Lowe is desperate for Brack to play cause we got nothing else, i mean nothing else. i did see that Larry Harris son has transferred from Elon and is in similar situation as Farnold Deagon. Sitting out next year, any news on if this was a charity event or if the kid can play? is he getting a scholly?

  2. redfred2 08/22/2006 at 1:06 PM #

    ^pb04, I didn’t see anything on that in my neck of the woods. I’m really concerned about the mood right now. Did Lowe portray a positive outlook, or was he looking understandably overwhelmed with the situation?

    How he presents the program in public right now, one way or the other, will be a good indicator of how his early recruiting will pan out.

  3. packbackr04 08/22/2006 at 1:20 PM #

    redfred^^

    http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/15329799.htm

    http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/477767.html

    let me know if these dont work, you can also link to them from acc basketblog. his tone is well, desperate

  4. redfred2 08/22/2006 at 2:17 PM #

    pb04^

    Thanks for those links. I was hoping maybe there was a video so I could check out his demeanor, probably wasn’t a filmed event.

    Sidney Lowe has been hung out to dry everywhere he has turned since he arrived. Not his fault. He can’t even ask a player for a very important timeline on a straight forward answer or demand anything from anybody right now. He’s clutching at every straw that may help him stumble through this first season.

    I will not forget this, and it will make it very difficult to tolerate even the slighest complaints about his job performance over the next several years. I may be pulling for him personally harder than I did Sendek early on, just because I already know him, but I will not beat him down as I didn’t Sendek in his first four years. I had my own opinions back then, but I gave Sendek the benefit of the doubt and kept them pretty much to myself.

    My opinion now though is that the “improved” program Lowe has been handed, is actually far worse overall than it was back then.

  5. ShootingGuard 08/22/2006 at 2:47 PM #

    I’m with you, RedFred…

    Lee Fowler really screwed Sidney Lowe. All that talk about how Lowe was just consulting with Fowler early in the search is total bullshit. Lowe called Fowler early on and said he was interested, and Fowler said he was on the list, and they “consulted” from there. Unfortunately, Fowler proceeded to lead one of the most public and poorly managed coaching searches ever—making the program look like total crap with all of the real and assumed rejections while allowing players like Ced, Werner, Davis and possibly Brackman and Wright wander away. The fact that Lowe has been able to get into the game with Wright, Hickson, Smith, Ebanks, etc. gives us hope that Sidney has some skills in projecting the image of NC State as the storied program that he helped guide to clobbering Coach K’s Duke and beating Michael Jordan’s UNC 2 out of 3 times on the road to winning it all—instead of the ugly loser image that nobody wants to be a part of as projected by Lee Fowler.

    I don’t expect much on the court this season as we have no depth to finish too many tight games, but I WILL BE THERE IN FULL FORCE EVERY GAME SUPPORTING SIDNEY LOWE AND THE BOYS!!

    (For some reason, although I have very low win expectations, I actually really look forward to seeing what Grant and Fells can do when they are not buried in a daytight compartment as well as *fingers crossed* seeing the energetic Andrew Brackman we used to know flying around again so happy to play the game—before Sendek sent him behind the woodpile for pitching of course…)

  6. packbackr04 08/22/2006 at 5:06 PM #

    redfred^^ there is actually some audio on packpride.com. and i dont think you have to be premium to hear it. i did not listen as i am too depressed. But agree wholeheartedly with you and shootinguard. Fowler realy f’d this up big time. we could be coming into this season with some hopes of an ncaa bid if we had davis, werner, and horner. He has left Sid in a precarious situation. It also makes me madder than hell at herb for leaving the cupboard so bare. If Herb had done HIS job and sold the university and not his silly ass system that roy and K shut down constantly, like he should have, those recruits would still be here. I’m glad he is gone, i didnt even like to be around the man for fear of catching whatever it was he had, he just looked confused, sickly, and pale all the time.

  7. redfred2 08/22/2006 at 10:16 PM #

    pb04, thanks again.

    Agreed, with both you guys.

    Before the season started last year I seriously felt that we would win the ACC regular season title. I still feel that way, looking around the league and considering the talent and exprience we had on that squad. But I wasn’t as excited as I should have been early on, even before the bottom dropped out. Hindsight tells me that my lack of enthusiam was once again more than justified.

    I’m with you SG, I’m just excited about the simple return of the game that I love. Every game I can possibly make, I’ll be right there with bells on, screaming my lungs out for the players and coach, no matter the outcome.

    Considering how many times he’s been blind sided in these few short months, Sidney Lowe deserves at least that.

  8. packbackr04 08/23/2006 at 12:27 PM #

    soes anyone know anything about Larry Harris’ kid??? is he getting a scholly transferring out of elon?

  9. nycfan 08/23/2006 at 3:01 PM #

    QUOTE: What is going on with regards to JJ Hickson? There’s a 5 star recruit out there, ranked #3 at his position nationally, who has/had? NC State as one of three schools in his high interest column. He has visits scheduled to the other top two schools listed as Tenn and Fla, also a visit to Arizona, along with the school I never liked and despise more and more with every passing day, Georgetown. Also showing Kentucky and Illinois listed as medium interests but no visits scheduled to date.//

    A mod on PP reported last week that Hickson called to schedule his fifth visit with NCSU but that Lowe was on vacation and that the assistant coaches agreed to set it up with Hickson after Lowe’s return. Scout says the visit date is likely in October (after AZ, Florida & TN, maybe before (just guessing here) midnight madness at G-Town), but has no updates if that has been done since Lowe’s return.

    FTR, the stories about Lowe recruitng Brackman reminded me of the stories about Doherty recruiting (but failing, due to his own personality dysfunction, in part, and in part due to the obvious stupidity of Pep risking his draft status playing hoops) Peppers and Curry to play hoops for UNC before the 8-20 season. Not saying that State faces that sort of utter disaster (looking at the schedule, worst case I see State winning 12 games, best case maybe 18), just that is what the story made me think of.

  10. redfred2 08/23/2006 at 3:17 PM #

    ^nycfan

    Thanks for the info on Hickson. So are you telling me that Hickson has already had four visits? That’s good news, but definitely new news to me. I must be looking in the wrong places, I’ve seen nothing recently. Are we talking all with Sendek before Lowe took over? If recent history is a gauge those earlier meetings don’t mean too much. How many meetings has Lowe personally had with Hickson?

  11. packbackr04 08/23/2006 at 4:56 PM #

    i think his visits will start in september, i had brought this up on another post and i think chopack or cfpack stated he would set officials to his top 5 schools and that he just hadnt scheduled onE with us yet. Sighting the “Pearl eyes big man” article on scout.com as their source. Mighty bad time for Sid to go on vacation dont ya think???? and HOW MANY SCHOLLYS DOES GEORGETOWN HAVE TO OFFER, HOLY COW! IS IT EVEN LEGIT TO HAVE SO MANY OFFERS OUT THERE? time to sit down with this kid and tell him we want to build a team around him and Wright. Imediate PT as a true freshman, whatever he wants to hear, get er done sid.

  12. vtpackfan 08/24/2006 at 7:52 AM #

    Larry Harris has a son that is now joining the Pack. That is rich, you can’t make this up. Maybe Degand needs someone to practice against. Fells is only a back up point guard and Atsur never was and never will be a true point guard. I love what Elgin brings to the table each and every game but I garauntee that he will move back to his natural 2 guard position in some European league. I too want to hear more about Hickson, good or bad. Is it time for Sid to make some phone calls to some old friends? Rasheed, McDyesse, Ben Wallace…anyonbody there. Probably not, these are the types of things that will have to be included in the learning curve. If Sendek got a five year window to establish a cohesive stragegy for recruitment, then giving Sid that much time still isn’t on par. Sendek sat those years next to Pitino and then had a little fun (or lack there of) in Ohio. Its apples and oranges anyway and there is still the air of excitment that something big can happen to set this Wolfpack team apart from the past decade and a half. It is still hard to distinguish the past ten years (all about the process) with the feeling that the old cardiac days of catching lightning in a bottle are back upon us. Who knows, maybe Larry Harris’ kid is the answer.

  13. redfred2 08/24/2006 at 10:18 AM #

    ^The return of the pure game of basketball, that’s enough for me right now.

    Astur has been pretty much forgotten on this site. I think he will provide some experience and leadership and will surprise in an up tempo game.
    About the Harris kid, who knows, but there’s nothing gray involved and he’s definitely coming from what I’ve read. There’s at least some clarity in that one scenario anyway.

    I’m hoping and praying that Lowe can stay afloat long enough to swim out of this cesspool that Fowler drop kicked him into, blindfolded, with his hands tied behind his back. That’s our boy Lee, outa sight, racked back and taking her easy, while two coaches struggle for their coaching lives right in plain view.

  14. packbackr04 08/24/2006 at 11:10 AM #

    LOVE IT REDFRED^ lees sitting by the pool drinking a key lime koolada, instead of doing his job.

    i hope this harris kid can play, is he on Scholly from what you know?

  15. nycfan 08/24/2006 at 12:04 PM #

    Sorry for confusion redfred, Hickson has scheduled 4 visits between Sept. and Oct. with other schools; one left to be scheduled, the assumption being that will be with NCSU.

  16. ShootingGuard 08/24/2006 at 12:33 PM #

    ^^^^^

    Guys, SERIOUSLY…

    The team needs BODIES to practice as well as finish games. Lowe came late to the party, but, even though he seems to be getting on some GREAT recruits’ lists, the guy is not stupid—late in the game, you will be very lucky to get 1 of those top rated much less all of them but you STILL need bodies to practice as well as finish games.

    No one in their right mind expects Harris’ kid to light up the world, but he fills a slot in practice and maybe even in the games as we are so damn short on personnel right now. Lew and Degand fill the same kind of slots.

    NONE of these guys were brought in in place of McMillan either—that’s just stupid.

    The rabble rousers that helped escort Herb to the door want a contender, and Lowe is shooting for the fences with the recruits that remain for 2007 and 2008 in hopes of attaining that goal while addressing the fact that you need some bodies for practice and maybe games in the interim.

    It’s a damn shame that all of the Herb lovers are trying to sneakily uphold Herb and his “accomplishments” by pummeling Lowe’s recruiting, etc. before he even gets started. You guys were happy to let Herb have 10 years and counting to actually do something (which he never did)—you could at least give an alum who brought glory to State before a couple years to prove himself…

    I’m fine with Lowe shooting for the fences, and, if he misses, fine. At least he tried to get us back to the mountain top…That long line of *great* Herb recruits from Anderson to Harrington & Bean to Marshall Williams to Flatt to MOD sure as hell didn’t win anything for us. If we end up missing on the big timers, I won’t feel any worse NOT winning championships with Harris, Lew, and Degand than I did NOT winning championships with all of those *great* Herb teams!!!!!

  17. redfred2 08/24/2006 at 12:56 PM #

    ^ShootingGuard

    That’s another post in the winner’s column. You’re on a role.

    A contender, that’s the desire. A team that plays their hearts out every time they hit the court, that is the must.

  18. redfred2 08/24/2006 at 3:21 PM #

    ^^^nycfan

    I didn’t think that 5 visits with NCSU sounded quite on the up and up. That just was my too literal with no thought interpretation of your post anyway. Thanks for clearing that up. No need to appologize for my confusion though, I learned to live with it.

  19. vtpackfan 08/25/2006 at 8:11 PM #

    Thought my response to Dan the Man might move ahead from recruiting in DC to this thread.
    What I really want is for Sid to get his props and see what this “best conference in the nation� stuff is all about as a head coach. I want him to use his assets (note that consistently having empty schollys is not going to cut it any more) to his and his respected staffs best abilities. I want to see how it all shakes out year after year and I want to hear Sid in his own words ascess how things are going. In short, this is the process that is now going to be firmly entreanched in our minds as we follow (willingly or not) Wolfpack basketball. Process is a word that leaves a bad taste in many of out mouths after witnessing the Herbert “Hoover� Sendek era. He made it all into a process, but with the situation that we’re in we have no choice but to take it one step at a time. My hope is that once done Sid will have gathered enough knowledge from this process to drop the training wheels and see what this NC ST vehicle can do. “Its Grease Lightening!�, well heres to the process anyway, two star recruits, 7′ bean Poles, assistant coachs’ sons and all.

  20. packbackr04 08/28/2006 at 2:20 PM #

    vt…. ^^ i have to agree, we need to give sid a chance. i mean he hasnt even stepped on the court as our head coach yet and he is dealing with heat. we gotta give him a shot, but as i ahve said many times on this site, its all about what have you done for me lately. that said i think Sid is going to do a great job in the coming years but it is a little concerning that we have a 7′ plus Pole that noone has ever heard of or seen play and he is on scholarship. What about Harris’ kid, is he on scholly? anyone know?

    And as for just filling the roster with some decent players in this first year due to the circumstances Herb and JEd have left Sid in, i understand the logic, but that makes the Jamelle situation a little troubling… because if as some of you are stating Sid is looking for players who are 2-3 star caliber to just fill the roster, add depth, etc.. then wouldnt Jamelle have fit that bill perfectly? heck this Rashad Green kid doesnt sound as good as Jamelle but we are going after him? anyone have any thoughts on this?

  21. vtpackfan 08/28/2006 at 3:50 PM #

    I with you 100% as far as these signs being troubling. I meant what I said about wanting to see Sid just do his thing, AND here him ascess the situation after. Your right, he has’nt set foot on the court as new head BB coach. Looking ahead, we’re all pulling for him and I with I think most others are looking forward to the pressy;s after the game this first year almost to the games themselves. There I hop alot will be reveiled.
    To come up with some logic (if I could find were I left it) on some certain topics, heres a shot anyways. No matter how well Sid does looking back at his first months at State there are some things we know we will never get the truth on, not until he wins a few championships a writhes the memoirs atleast. We know that by covering Lee’s tracks by saying that during most of the coaching search he was idling as “consultant” that he can play the save face game when needed. The conflict of having his buddies son play on his team in only his second year of being a NCAA coach certainly played a role. There will be guys that Sid inherited with this job that were sold on Herbs ideals to come play for the Pack. Sids needs them more then he needs Wright and Hickson. It sounds crazy, but the what have you done for me lately crowd will be at Sids throat if Grant, Fells, Costner, and McAuley can’t rise to the occasion. Will a five star recruit like Wright or Hickson help, certainly, and the veterans will know whats going on the second they (please arrive soon) step on to the court. I imagine it would’nt have been a crystal clear knowing the backgroung relationship involving there new head coach and frechman McMillans old man. And don’t let Dan or any fat man who could’nt play tell you different about Rashad Green. He is rated in the top ten coming out of the city, and all reports lead someone who has never seen him in action to beleive that he is extremely faundamentally sound player. What you see is what you get. That aint so bad to have a recruit come in looking like that when you already have a project in big “Lew”. Lastly “Lew” is Towes man, obviously Sid had the last say, but we know that with the timing of everythingand with Ced going early and Sid taking his test that his staff had to step up in ways that vitually no staff has had to in the history of the game. He played a prep year a Brewster Academy (ME) so we know that he can find the court from outta the locker room. With so many established players ahead of him he rode the pine alot, but that is common in many of these pre ivy leaugue post prep schools. His coach had some very encouraging things to say about the young man from Poland, no more impressive was the fact that he runs the court and fill the lanes very well.

  22. redfred2 08/30/2006 at 7:46 PM #

    ^packbackr04

    “but that makes the Jamelle situation a little troubling… because if as some of you are stating Sid is looking for players who are 2-3 star caliber to just fill the roster, add depth, etc.. then wouldnt Jamelle have fit that bill perfectly?”

    Jamelle McMillian without the protection of a self limiting style of play, playing real basketball in none other than the ACC, and a without summer camp coach that he has known since he was a very young kid, that may have been more than the young man wanted to face alone. The kid, or at least maybe his dad, may be smart enough to know that he isn’t yet ready to face a situation like he would be placed into right off the bat, as an expected immediate contributor, at NCSU right now. ???

    No names on uniforms, no individual expectations, it’s was perfect system to sell to kids who are little unsure of how they will size up on the collegiate level. All of that is still available, Jamelle had already decided it was what suited him best.

    “troubling” you say?

    Not to me anyway.

  23. packbackr04 08/31/2006 at 11:39 AM #

    red^ point taken. do you think sid knew this was too much pressure for Jamelle and that is why he chose not pursue him? or do you think He just knew Jamelle wouldnt fit what he was looking for? Because personally i would rather have Jamelle than Rahsad Green… And i W

  24. packbackr04 08/31/2006 at 11:41 AM #

    red^ point taken. do you think sid knew this was too much pressure for Jamelle and that is why he chose not pursue him? or do you think He just knew Jamelle wouldnt fit what he was looking for? Because personally i would rather have Jamelle than Rahsad Green… And i Would aslo rather keep the scholly from Rashad Green and offer it elsewhere. Even if we miss out on Wright, there are other fish in the sea.

  25. StateFans 08/31/2006 at 2:03 PM #

    Some ridiculous speculation about Jamelle.

    Had Coach Lowe and NC State wanted to make a run for Jamelle then we would have made a run for him and gotten him. We didn’t.

    So much of what has been said here is so offbase that it is sad.

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