N&O Analyzes Lowe’s Contract

See full article here.

Personally, I have no problem with the 6-year term. I do worry about converting the contract to a perpetual roll-over with a $500K/yr buyout figure. I certainly hope/expect Lowe will succeed here, but I don’t want NC State to tie its hands forever (for the first 6 years, though, this seems quite equitable).

On the plus side, there is a reciprocal clause forcing Lowe to pay US the same amount if he chooses to ply his trade elsewhere (presumably, a return to the NBA). Heaven forbid, is Lee Fowler getting more business savvy in negotiating contacts?

Update
The N&O made some comments about this in their ACC blog. (Link)

N.C. State AD Lee Fowler bended his own personal preference for a five-year contract by giving Lowe a sixth year because, “he decided he need to have six years to make sure he could get done what he needed.”

Even in Braille that translates to “the first year’s a mulligan.”

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19 Responses to N&O Analyzes Lowe’s Contract

  1. Trout 08/04/2006 at 3:54 PM #

    I think the buyout is too high for an unproven coach. In a worst case hypothetical, if he had 4 straight bottom of the ACC finishes, and we decided to fire him, we would owe for those 2 remaining years what we would have owed Herb for 5 years. (Herb’s buyout was base x number of years remaining)

    Now, if Lowe has a fantastic years 1-3, that’s when I would have restructured the contract to include a $510k+ buyout.

    Other points:

    1)I thought deals longer than 5 years were against UNC System rules (the Valvano Rule). I guess that rule no longer exists (may have been an “urban myth” type of thing). I know Roy got a contract longer than 5 years as well.

    2)Nice incentive packages for Lowe to strive toward.

    3)He has a 55% grad rate goal. I hope it is higher, but that corresponds to the student body rate. I wonder how 55% would impact the APR #, which is actually more important.

  2. BladenWolf 08/04/2006 at 4:30 PM #

    Thoughts about the contract:

    Similar in framework to most other contracts with exception of the six year duration. I like that.

    I’m not sure the buyout troubles me (due to Trout’s reasoning above) or if it comforts me (that Foulup actually is capable of seeing a bigger picture). Maybe they wash each other out.

    The 55% graduation rate is a red flag. I assume it parrallels the overall student body graduation ratio, but should that really be tied into the coaches contract? Maybe an incentive to graduate “better” than the student body ratio? (What a concept).

    I would have liked to see more specific incentives for certain milestones… let’s say… Lowe gets a Rolex every time we sweep the smurfs (tarholes) in regualr season play… or how about an all expenses vacation in late April if we eliminate Dook and UNX in any given NCAA bracket?

    The devil’s in the details as they say.

  3. Cardiff Giant 08/04/2006 at 5:11 PM #

    Trout, I also heard about the five year rule. I can’t find any trace of it in the General Statutes, though.

  4. redfred2 08/04/2006 at 5:31 PM #

    Did I ever mention that Bobby Knight graduates four year players at a 98% rate down at Texas Tech. I might have, I really can’t remember.

  5. Tau837 08/04/2006 at 8:14 PM #

    redfred, are you aware that we all wish you’d stop talking about Bobby Knight? IMO this is one of those posts that SFN seeks to avoid, given that it isn’t on topic.

  6. redfred2 08/04/2006 at 8:30 PM #

    Tau837

    I said that jokingly because someone was expressing their concern about graduation rates expected for Sidney Lowe and Co. That was just a slight attempt at humor, I haven’t mentioned ” ” ‘s name around here in forever and thought it might get a laugh from anyone who got totally sick hearing me talk about him before. Maybe my humor is too subtle, or just not really humorus at all. I enjoy the hell out of it anyway though.

  7. Wulfpack 08/04/2006 at 8:46 PM #

    To me this signifies the fact that Lowe clearly recognizes this will be quite an extensive rebuilding job. Six years seems just about right. We’ll surely know by then whether or not he can lead his own college program.

  8. bTHEredterror 08/04/2006 at 9:08 PM #

    I’m glad we chose to pay Sid in a comparable, actually better manner than Herbert. And Coach didn’t care what clauses Lee added to retain him, it’s kind of like compelling a 6 year old to keep liking ice cream.

  9. redfred2 08/04/2006 at 9:13 PM #

    It will just about be, in all honesty, “his own program.” This is going to be rough and hard to take for all of us, especially Sidney Lowe. Irregardless of what, or who, any of us think brought us to this point, we need to give this guy all the support we can muster, no matter how hopeless it may appear at first.

    This now is so much resembling the circumstances that Les R was handed, that it is scarey.

  10. JeremyH 08/05/2006 at 12:15 AM #

    redfred2 – I can appreciate your honesty, but where is your enthusiasm! Its been reiterated and recycled that the “fire in his belly”, ties with Valvano, and experience in the NBA will translate into good things. Its ok to be skeptical especially with the recent defections, but the recent peeling away of player should be expected with a coaching change; let Lowe work his magic, we may be surprised this year. By the way I am glad there is a basketball topic again.

  11. bTHEredterror 08/05/2006 at 4:25 AM #

    The cupboard isn’t all the way bare, now. There’s an intersting mix of players, and despite the fact we have no dominant force inside, we have some scrappers and the young guys playing now will pay off over the next couple of years. I think we should hope for a bubble run, and not be crushed if we end up in the NIT. Probably a better comparison is to Herb’s first club than Les R’s, with the shallow (non-existent) bench and no size. Although Bartosz might be good for a block and a few boards a game.

  12. RickJ 08/05/2006 at 8:57 AM #

    Trout – “He has a 55% grad rate goal. I hope it is higher, but that corresponds to the student body rate. I wonder how 55% would impact the APR #, which is actually more important.”

    I remember reading that the threshold APR score of 925 would equate to about a 50% graduation rate so a 55% rate should be fine for the APR.

    I thought our overall student body grad rate had improved over 55% to something like 65%. You are so knowledgeable in this area I hesitate to bring this up.

  13. 4NCSU 08/05/2006 at 12:05 PM #

    I expect Sid’s first team to make the NIT. I like the incentives put in there. But I wouldn’t do it the same way. The only incentives in there, if I was boss, would be as follows: ACC regular season title, Final Four, or national title.

    Getting a bonus for graduating players? No. That’s part of your job: to monitor that. Getting a bonus for making the Sweet 16? No. That’s what you’re paid to do: win games and make your fans happy.

    My question is: If a coach gets bonuses for those things, what exactly is he paid to do? Show up to work every day? I just don’t agree with that.

    I know the market says pay major university D-1 coaches $750,000-1.5 million dollars a year, but they’re way, way overpaid. Coaches say their gig can come to an end at anytime as a justifiable reason for the exorbitant, huge salaries. But if you’re paid (Notice I didn’t say “make.”) close to one million dollars a year for five years, you’re pretty much set for life unless you’re totally idiotic with your money.

    College coaches should be paid $200,000-300,000 a year, with the great ones making close to a million. It will never happen, but they’re an overpaid group.

    I like the incentives part though in Lowe’s agreement. It gives him something to work hard for. You get godlike status by leading State back to an ACC title; you also get some extra money not part of your normal salary.

  14. stejen 08/06/2006 at 7:16 AM #

    The people that have a problem with this contract need to remember the Bill Guthridge era at UNC. Other schools were able too secure talent that UNC wanted by simply saying “Is Gut going to retire this year? Next Year? You know he is going to retire but when?” While I am glad Sendek is gone everyone has to admit that every year his job was in jeapardy. Now with a solid contract, Lowe and Larry Harris can recruit by truthfully saying Lowe is going no where for six years (and do you think Lowe is crazy enough to break the contract)? So this was a good move for everyone. Had this been a ten year contract (think Dick Crum) I might have reservations but State needs to puts its’ faith behind Lowe. Afterall it was pretty much accepted that he was going to get another NBA head coaching job soon (Flip Saunders said so himself) so if he can coach in the NBA he can coach in the NCAA. Can he recruit? If not that is what we have Larry Harris for.
    Steve

  15. redfred2 08/07/2006 at 12:35 AM #

    ^JeremyH,

    Sorry to be a drag. I am as enthusiastic about Sidney Lowe as anyone around and I have confidence in all that he will bring back to Wolfpack Basketball. I think no matter who he has available to put on the court this season, we will be proud of the effort shown all around.

    What is bothering me, and maybe it’s just me, is I don’t think Sidney Lowe had any comprehension of how screwed up things were. Especially with the so called “recruits,” if that is what anyone still wants to label the SOOS’ers. I blame the AD, Mr Fowler, first for his involvement and mishandling in the search, but much more importantly in the interim when Sidney was working so hard to get here. My take on that is that Fouler muddied the waters so badly, even way back before Lowe was even named as the coach, that there was never real opportunity for Sidney to land those already “commited” recruits. They had already been granted an “unofficial” release back when Barnes and Calipari turned Fowler down. All they were required was one simple stipulation and were asked nicely to drop by, before really going public so the whole thing wouldn’t blow up in Fowler’s face at once and in order to save Fowler’s ass form the chopping block.

    Now it’s Sidney Lowe who job looks a hell of a lot more difficult than it did when signed on and Lee is sitting pretty. Sidney couldn’t have anticipated all of that nonsense and he definitely has his work cut out for him now. I’m behind him 110% and I expect excitement in Raleigh again. But for the near future, patience is what I need most. That and a new AD!

  16. class of 74 08/07/2006 at 6:45 AM #

    The contract concessions just illustrate how weak the program really is inspite of the “great turnaround” performed by the former coach. I expect 1 or 2 seasons of struggle before we see a real turnaround occur.

  17. Rick 08/07/2006 at 9:13 AM #

    I agree with 74.
    This would have been an ugly year with HErb as the coach.

  18. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 08/07/2006 at 12:03 PM #

    4NCSU- A quick lesson in economics… Products are worth what people are willing to pay, not a penny more or less.

  19. redfred2 08/08/2006 at 5:29 PM #

    “This would have been an ugly year with HErb as the coach.”

    Nah, better not, time to rise above…I’ll let that one pass on by without even commenting.

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