Lose The Pro Look, Chuck

The post-Rivers mediocrity of Wolfpack football has many causes. Jay Davis wasn’t Philip Rivers and at times wasn’t Tol Avery. The team was often poorly disciplined and poorly coached. An apparent – and hopefully eradicated – “star system,�? whose poster child was the insufferably annoying T.A. McClendon, took its toll. And assistants came and went at a rate that made carnies look like stable, long-term employment prospects.

Still, one can point to an overall issue: NC State football seems to require less of an injection of talent than an adjustment in attitude. John Bunting may be a boastful toolbox and all-around no-goodnik in our eyes, but let’s give the guy some credit. He’s regularly beating our (supposedly) more talented, glitzy program by producing teams with a simple, traditional desire to kick our ass every time we meet up. You know, the way Dick Sheridan’s teams used to punk Mack Brown’s spiffy blue chippers with our “inferior�? players. It’s as if the two programs have switched places.

Worse, Chuck Amato himself led the new Pimp My Program trend. Amato can be an immensely charismatic guy, but let’s be honest. With the red shoes and sunglasses, Chuck evolved into Hurricane Clown Show last season. A sad but undeniable fact of life is that the difference between winning and losing is also the difference between being an interesting eccentric and a laughingstock.

The clown outfits disappeared as the Pack went into meltdown last season, and Amato gets huge credit for reviving a team then lurching toward historic disaster. But Amato needs to go further. It’s time to get back to basics – the let’s get it done attitude of the Rivers era. And a good way to signal a return to seriousness is: Discard the cheesy, pro-style uniforms and go back to looking like a college football team again.

A minor point, you say? Perhaps. But it’s an immensely symbolic one. Does no one else recall the seriousness, and traditionalism, signaled by ditching the O’Cain uniforms (which were left over from Sheridan anyway) and returning to a solid Block “S�? and traditional red and white ? Does no one else agree that in temporal terms if nothing else, things began to unravel at precisely the same time as the traditional uniforms were ditched for the silly “pro-style�? togs the team now uses?

Look at this picture. Look who it is. Look at the uniform:

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ncst/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/a-rivers-092703.jpg

Now, this sadly familiar one:

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/mifl/galleries/footbl-102304/02-lg.jpg

The older uniforms are the symbol of the renaissance that marked Amato’s earlier years at State. They’re the uniforms in which Notre Dame was beaten – and UNC too, most of the time. Those uniforms said, “We’re serious, traditional, and here to play.�? The new uniforms say, “We’re a half-assed version of the Atlanta Falcons.�? I can’t imagine wanting to emulate the Falcons in any fashion, let alone sartorial.

Some, reading this, are no doubt claiming I’m making a mountain of a molehill. But seriously, this isn’t Queer Eye For The Football Guy here. Appearances say something. If you doubt me, and you are old enough to remember the great Dallas Cowboys teams of the Seventies, do you remember this picture?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000BW5C1.01-A2QUBZRFQD7A2Q._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Or do you remember this one?

http://www.kskssports.com/ksks_sports/sports_illustrated/1980s/images/si8233.jpeg

The Cowboys whipped everyone on their white uniforms and just as regularly imploded in the blue ones. Any time the Cowboys wore the blue uniforms in the playoffs, people worried – and usually with good reason. It got to the point where they were capitalized: The Blue Uniforms, as in, The Anthrax Virus.

And that makes no intrinsic sense. The team that played in white was the same team that played in blue. But, like I said, appearances mean something. Penn State’s simple blue and white means something, as does the blue and gold of Notre Dame. While the latter may do a “special uniform�? thing from time to time (and they usually seem to lose when they do), can you imagine either school getting rid of those uniforms with the goal of resembling, say, the Philadelphia Eagles or the Indianapolis Colts? Of course you can’t.

Lose the pro look, Chuck. Go back to being NC State again. Please.

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82 Responses to Lose The Pro Look, Chuck

  1. 94wolfpack 08/03/2006 at 12:36 PM #

    “I really don’t know why you have such a problem getting the point, but I’ll try again: It is not an issue of how the uniforms “look.â€? It is an issue of the ATTITUDE the selection of those uniforms professes. ”

    And what attitude is that? .

    Did state change their uniforms last year to close out the season? No they changed their game plan. Penalty reduction, focusing on the running game and winning 5-6 to me was a sign of an ATTITUDE change. And THAT means much more to me than the “issue of the ATTITUDE the selection of those uniforms professes.”

    I simply don’t see how YOUR perception of what their attitude is based on uniform selection equates to NCState not being focused on the task at hand. Like I said earlier winning cures all.

    While I disagree with your premise the unitard thing was funny.

  2. RickJ 08/03/2006 at 12:43 PM #

    BLS –

    Is the USC-Columbia job that much better than the one at UNC-Chapel Hill? If not, it seems pretty reasonable to think he might have accepted or are you saying that they just wouldn’t have offered? That I can believe.

  3. Cardiff Giant 08/03/2006 at 12:54 PM #

    ^ 94Wolfpack, I am glad you like the unitard comment, and on the basic premise, I believe we have reached the point where we should cordially agree to disagree. No?

  4. BobLee 08/03/2006 at 1:13 PM #

    Rick:
    Actually for Spurrier, USCar is a much better situation … 80,000 rabid fans guaranteed … less stringent academic standards … SEC … FB is #1 (aka no Roy).

    PLUS … TheTarPit, rumor to the contrary, does NOT represent the ruling class of UNC-CH. Our “powers that be” are pretty much all over 18 and have lives and occupations. Some do have very bizarre socio-political beliefs. As the “Spurrier is coming” rumors spread across the Internet like a Malibu brushfire, the actual UNC PTBS just shook their heads and asked “who ARE those people?”

    BLS

  5. redfred2 08/03/2006 at 1:46 PM #

    Amato’s personal taste’s in apparel wouldn’t even enter my mind if the player’s he is coaching were down to business and simply getting it done on the field, without the repetitive, careless mistakes, and childish superstar behavior.

    That not being the case at all, the flamboyant attire comes off as not quite seeing things in their true reality.

  6. WV Wolf 08/03/2006 at 3:37 PM #

    “Did state change their uniforms last year to close out the season? No they changed their game plan. Penalty reduction, focusing on the running game and winning 5-6 to me was a sign of an ATTITUDE change. And THAT means much more to me than the “issue of the ATTITUDE the selection of those uniforms professes.â€? ”

    I totally agree with what 94Wolfpack said there. After the Clemson booing debacle, there actually WAS an attitude change. And it shows in the stats.

    After the Clemson game, penalties per game dropped from 9.6 to 6.4 and penalty yardage per game dropped from 80 to 49, a difference of 31 yards.

    Turnovers per game dropped from 2.6 to 1.6. State turned the ball over 4 times in our last five games and never more than once.

    The defense clamped down and yards allowed per game dropped from 342.6 to 267.3, a difference of 75.3 yards.

    There’s your attitude adjustment right there, which resulted in a 5-2 record post Clemson. All while wearing the same uniforms. Not to mention making the decision to bench a 5th year senior quarterback. Chuck even quit wearing the red shoes and ditched the Oakleys. Seems to me he made changes to everything you are all complaining about and with positive results.

    Sure Chuck still has some work to do in a lot of areas but give the man some credit here.

  7. packpigskinfan23 08/03/2006 at 4:31 PM #

    ^thats what I am saying…. or thinking…. whatever.

    if the wins are coming in, then NOTHING else matters. Its only at low times that we tend to worry about something so trivial as a few stripes on a shirt… or a NAME on a jersey. I like to believe that THIS is not a low time for NCSU football. We DO have a competitive team… there is only one thing left to do. prove it. worry about the fashion later.

  8. redfred2 08/03/2006 at 4:32 PM #

    I hope Chuck Amato has a great season and feels like wearing a red sombrero while dancing a jig and playing the pan flute on the sidelines. And even if he doesn’t have a good season this season, I am one who still believes that he deserves a few more years in Raleigh.

    I am admittedly old school, but I believe that there is something to be said for simply keeping an eye on the task at hand without any need for flashy distractions. Most kids these days come in already loaded to the gills with an over abundance of cockiness and lack of discipline. That has been in clear evidence for everyone to see on the football field already in Raleigh. Let’s step back, tone it all down, and play football for the simple reason that that is what we were recruited for, not to do cartwheels in the endzone and draw attention to ourselves after we score on a one yard run, and against Appalachian even or similar non-factor opponent. That stuff can all wait until when they reach the next level, or at least until they reach a level in the college game that justifies a little of it.

    Is this the same SFN where I hear Jim Valvano’s name still being mentioned in a derogatory fashion more often than the facts deserve? Let’s put a lid on the professional persona and mentality before some kid screws up the program for us, and doesn’t have the slighest idea why.

  9. wolfpack80 08/03/2006 at 4:44 PM #

    The uniforms look good, pro-style or not, and I liked the old ones. Someone mentioned the opinion of 18-22 year olds; which do you think they prefer? It is everyone of those kids dream to play in the league and I’d bet you they like the new unis. But as far as playing the game or worrying about how they look, do you really think they’re thinking about that while playing? An attitude ajustment comes from displine within, not on the outside.

  10. primacyone 08/03/2006 at 4:58 PM #

    Maybe the pro-style uniform was the reason Jay Davis seemed to throw the ball with less zing during a live game than he did in practice with an old sytle practice jersey last year.

    Wow. That’s it. It’s all coming together now. Those uniforms gave Jay more resistance during the throwing motion therefore making the ball move through the air more slowly and allowing the defender to be able to get to the ball, intercept it, and run it back for a TD on all those short out passes last year.

    I’m glad that’s settled.

  11. redfred2 08/03/2006 at 6:24 PM #

    Discipline comes from every aspect, every day, at every practice. The uniforms have been blown out of proportion to deny the fact that discipline was sorely lacking and was just starting to show up in the later portions of last season. The word discipline is to be avoided at costs no matter what form it comes in these days. Kinda like an old necktie, you’re not cool if you wear one of those either. To avoid wearing one when you are expected to, is a small signal that says we don’t have to do it by anybody’s rules but our own, we’re way too cool for that. Let’s park the street mentalities at the curb where they belong, and play a disciplined brand of college football for a change.

    The basketball players will find out that even the NBA has enough sense to realize that there is a need for some kind of dress codes these days.

    Clearly showing my age, but what the hell.

  12. wolfpack80 08/03/2006 at 6:25 PM #

    ^^^^good stuff primacyone

  13. Glen Sudhop54 08/03/2006 at 9:59 PM #

    Hesitate before you make too much fun of the unitards. The last year they were worn is also the last year the Pack won the regular season in the ACC basketball standings (1989)

    Does anyone else besides me want the basketball team to drop the “NC” on the front of the uniform and go back to “State”?

  14. redfred2 08/03/2006 at 10:22 PM #

    ^Glen, you’ve apparently been away for a while. Apparel styles and colors are getting much more attention on this site than they are on “Queer eye” right now.

  15. johnny 08/03/2006 at 10:28 PM #

    I kinda like the red shoes and Oakley sunglasses. I can picture him riding into a game on a Harley(Like at the recruiting PC).

    But what I don’t like is watching him pitch oil, chicken , etc on the big screen.

  16. redfred2 08/04/2006 at 12:57 AM #

    It is STATE, plain and simple. No need to embellish or further dignify, and no need to waste time searching for a new identity, the old one “suits” just fine.

  17. cfpack03 08/04/2006 at 9:36 AM #

    Those uniforms gave Jay more resistance during the throwing motion therefore making the ball move through the air more slowly and allowing the defender to be able to get to the ball, intercept it, and run it back for a TD on all those short out passes last year.

    Clever theory, and let me elaborate further. Not only did the said uniforms offer more resistance, they also altered the flight path of the thrown object (“football”), effectively delivering it to an opposing player, to the tune of roughly 25% of all pass attempts, 37% of all pass attempts at critical moments during gametime. Cue hand off to McLendon, cue fumble, cue injury.

  18. Cardiff Giant 08/04/2006 at 11:26 AM #

    “redfred2 Says:

    August 3rd, 2006 at 10:22 pm e
    ^Glen, you’ve apparently been away for a while. Apparel styles and colors are getting much more attention on this site than they are on “Queer eyeâ€? right now.”

    Thanks Fred! Keep giving us those “Queer Eye” updates. I don’t watch it myself, but it only helps a site to have folks posting who are knowledgeable about different things. Even if it’s being our resident “Queer Eye” content expert. 🙂

  19. Cardiff Giant 08/04/2006 at 11:34 AM #

    “primacyone Says:

    August 3rd, 2006 at 4:58 pm e
    Maybe the pro-style uniform was the reason Jay Davis seemed to throw the ball with less zing during a live game than he did in practice with an old sytle practice jersey last year. ”

    Gosh, we are having a little reading comprehension trouble, aren’t we? Let’s see if we can clear the mist from your eyes:
    1. Do you deny that the football team has exhibited an attitude problem?
    2. Do you deny that this attitude problem has been harmful?

    If you answered “yes” to those questions, answer this one:

    3. Do you deny that symbolic acts have meaning?
    4. Do you deny that symbolic acts can help remedy or change attitudes?

    If you answered “yes” to these questions, then I am sure you realized your comment is somewhat ridiculous. I never claimed or implied that Jay Davis’s mechanics would improve by wearing a different uniform. In fact, I stated pretty much the opposite (here’s where the reading comprehension issue really kicks in):

    QUOTE: “And that makes no intrinsic sense. The team that played in white was the same team that played in blue.”

    HOWEVER, as wiser minds than I have noted, college football in particular is a game of intangibles and tradition. I genuinely believe that returning our traditional uniforms would provide intangible benefit.

    You are free to disagree with that. My only objection is when you make nonsensical contentions, as you do here, in support of that disagreement. Carry on.

  20. redfred2 08/04/2006 at 11:49 AM #

    Does anyone here think that C Amato didn’t spend hours upon hours submitting ideas and revisions while going over detail after detail for months on end, when getting those pro-style uniforms designed just exactly the way he wanted them to look? I’ve been around that before, on a much, much lower level, and with all the big ego’s involved and eveyone wanting to add their two cents worth, there was so much time wasted for the sake image that it just wasn’t worth the hassle to me.

    As stated before, the old ones were just fine. Maybe Chuck shoulda spent his time teaching the DL how to line up by keeping their helmets on the right side of the line before the snap, or teach the OL how to get about one more foot of surge into the defense on run blocking, or teach a running back how to hold onto the football, among many other things. I can think of any number of games where all factors came into play, but Ohio State jumps out.

    It’s too late for that now but I would have prefered more time spent on getting taking on those immediate problems first and getting a grip on the basics. Then later we could have start showing off and spending valuable coaching time with costume designers.

  21. Cardiff Giant 08/04/2006 at 12:05 PM #

    ^ Redfred, I assume you know from the smiley that I was kidding you on the “Queer Eye” reference. I actually don’t even know if the show is still on (is it?). I’ve never seen it, myself – perhaps it’s HBO, which I don’t have.

  22. redfred2 08/04/2006 at 12:16 PM #

    ^Cardiff,

    That didn’t bother me in the least, don’t worry. I’ve never seen the show either, don’t keep up with TV so the show has probably been cancelled. It was the only name I my mind come up with that late in the evening.

    The smile on your smiley face did look a little different than normal though, was that supposed to mean anything?

  23. primacyone 08/04/2006 at 1:39 PM #

    Cardiff Giant Says:
    August 4th, 2006 at 11:34 am
    “primacyone Says:
    August 3rd, 2006 at 4:58 pm e
    Maybe the pro-style uniform was the reason Jay Davis seemed to throw the ball with less zing during a live game than he did in practice with an old sytle practice jersey last year. “
    Gosh, we are having a little reading comprehension trouble, aren’t we? Let’s see if we can clear the mist from your eyes:
    1. Do you deny that the football team has exhibited an attitude problem?
    2. Do you deny that this attitude problem has been harmful?
    If you answered “yes� to those questions, answer this one:
    1. Do you deny that symbolic acts have meaning?
    2. Do you deny that symbolic acts can help remedy or change attitudes?
    If you answered “yes� to these questions, then I am sure you realized your comment is somewhat ridiculous. I never claimed or implied that Jay Davis’s mechanics would improve by wearing a different uniform. In fact, I stated pretty much the opposite (here’s where the reading comprehension issue really kicks in):
    QUOTE: “And that makes no intrinsic sense. The team that played in white was the same team that played in blue.�
    HOWEVER, as wiser minds than I have noted, college football in particular is a game of intangibles and tradition. I genuinely believe that returning our traditional uniforms would provide intangible benefit.
    You are free to disagree with that. My only objection is when you make nonsensical contentions, as you do here, in support of that disagreement. Carry on.

    Gosh Cardiff, we are having a little take myself to serious problem, aren’t we. Let’s see if I can get you to loosen up a bit. And remember, you dragged me into this.
    I needed a little humor and I made a joke. It’s 100 degrees outside, I’ve been working my tail off at the office, and there have not been any good sports on the tube and nothing of really good interest sports wise to talk about other than one of our potential five star basketball recruits verbally committing to Florida State which we have chosen not to discuss.
    Anyway, I do deny that there was an overall attitude problem on the football team last year. In fact, I feel completely opposite. I’ve been on some decent football teams in my life and most of those would have given up after the dismal start to last season. Instead that team regrouped and refocused and ended the season going 5-1.
    There was nothing wrong with anybody’s attitude last year. IMO all the problems were execution problems. Anyone care to guess how many more wins we would have had if Jay Davis had thrown 4 or 5 less interceptions? Anybody care to guess how many more wins we would have if Jay Davis had just taken a knee on those plays versus turning the ball over?
    So since I did answer NO to your above questions – I don’t think my comment was ridiculous. Humorous, but not ridiculous. What I do think is ridiculous is calling our coach a “Pimp� and a “Clown�, calling our uniforms “Clown Outfits� and “Cheesy�, and doing it all in the context of a lead post on a thread at this particular blog. Therefore I think it is potentially more an issue of writer’s comprehension rather than reading comprehension – since you brought it up.
    I don’t deny that symbolic acts have meaning. The white shoes worked out nicely. The red shoes worked out well for a while. Symbolic acts do have great motivating power. So, to get to your main topic, I really and truthfully wish we would go back to the old-style uniforms for the same reasons you do.
    But to get back to your subsequent post, I was just making a joke. But had Jay Davis thrown fewer interceptions last year it would have lead directly to a higher count in the win column and that would have been a fact even if he had played naked.

  24. WV Wolf 08/04/2006 at 1:43 PM #

    “Maybe Chuck shoulda spent his time teaching the DL how to line up by keeping their helmets on the right side of the line before the snap, or teach the OL how to get about one more foot of surge into the defense on run blocking, or teach a running back how to hold onto the football, among many other things. I can think of any number of games where all factors came into play, but Ohio State jumps out.

    It’s too late for that now but I would have prefered more time spent on getting taking on those immediate problems first and getting a grip on the basics.”

    Redfred, go back and read my last post. CHUCK DID ALL OF THOSE THINGS. We all would have liked them to happen sooner, but the coaches and players did make changes. After the Clemson boo-fest, penalties went down, turnovers went down, yards allowed went down, and the win total went up.

    Cardiff, regarding primacyone’s comments, check your sarcasm detector. I think the batteries are dead. Which I think primacyone just pointed out himself.

  25. primacyone 08/04/2006 at 1:45 PM #

    Not sure what happened to the formatting above. Feel free to clean it up and delete this.

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