BBall Recruiting & Scout’s 2007 Summer Top 100

I haven’t followed basketball or football recruiting with any real attention for quite a few years now. The slow death of my overall enthusiasm for NC State Basketball over the last decade combined with the exhaustion of the incessant spin from Herb Sendek’s basketball staff that almost every player the staff signed was a “diamond in the rough who is really going to suprise” completely killed my interest in the topic.

My disillusionment with recruiting (as it related to Sendek) started very early in Herb’s tenure in Raleigh when his first true recruiting class – ranked the #9 recruiting class in the country and 2nd in the ACC (with three top 60 players) never played in a single NCAA Tournament. Then I watched State’s HORRIBLE 2000-01 season unfold with the #9 class in the country playing as SENIORS on a squad supplemented by three highly ranked classes that included the #7 ranked recruiting class in the country (Gibbons).

To be fair, I don’t know what played a greater role in my dis-interested in recruiting — was it:
(a) the Groundhog Day-like selling of “the next great steal” or
(b) the relative underachievement of the more highly ranked recruits that Sendek landed. (Each of whom, of course, were supposedly much better than their rankings and were “steals” in their own right).

With all due respect to Anthony Grundy, Ilian Evtimov and Cornelius Williams…the ‘leaks’ of the last decade that every Rouldra Thomas, Dom Mejia, Mike O’Donnell, Justin Flatt, Trey Guidry, Adam Simons, Mike Bell and (insert name here) was going to be a huge surprise was just exhausting. The status quo lovers listened and believed all the while as NC State led the Atlantic Coast Conference in transfers and premature defections. These ‘secret weapons’ made zero impact on our program other than to kill our graduation rate and put us behind in the initial APR rankings released by the NCAA. (Trevor Ferguson and Dennis Horner are now on deck as the final two Sendek-recruited ‘sleepers’ that were sold to the world as ‘steals’.)

Additionally, a majority of the highly rated names that State did manage to sign in the last decade never really lived up to their high school rankings. Take a look at some of the following and tell me if their college performance matched their rankings (rankings primarily from Prepstars pulled from previous editions of ‘The Wolfpacker’):

Damon Thornton – Top 65, Prepstars
Archie Miller – #39 nationally, Prepstars; #36 nationally, Francis
Ron Kelley – #45 nationally, Prepstars; #47 nationally Recruiter’s Handbook, Gibbons
Kenny Inge – #57 nationally, Prepstars
Adam Harrington – #20 ranked recruit by Prepstars & Parade A-A
Keith Bean – #38 ranked recruit by Prepstars
Damien Wilkins – #10 nationally, Gibbons; McDonald’s AA
Marshall Williams – #32 nationally, Prepstars; Parade all-american
Clifford Crawford – #57 nationally, Prepstars
Scooter Sherrill – Top 25; McDonald’s AA
Marcus Melvin – Top 75 Prepstars
Michael Bell – Top 100 Prepstars
Julius Hodge – #7 nationally, Prepstars; McDonald’s AA
Levi Watkins – Top 40 nationally, Prepstars; Parade AA (same team as Rashad McCants)
Josh Powell – Top 80 nationally, Prepstars

Now that Sidney Lowe has been hired as NC State’s Basketball Coach, I have a renewed interest in following the recruiting game a little bit. The blog will definitely NOT go overboard with recruiting coverage…but we won’t totally ignore it, either.

Barring any unforseen defection and assuming that Andrew Brackman leaves the program to play baseball after next season, Coach Lowe/NC State should have five scholarships available to award in the 2007 recruiting class. Johnny Thomas, a swing forward from Greensboro, has already committed to one of those spots (Link to Thomas’ commitment as well as projected roster spacing)

Scout.com has released their updated rankings of the Top 100 high school basketball players in the Class of 2007. (Link) . The rankings will most definitely change as these players showcase their skills on the summer camp circuit that begins tomorrow and throughout their senior year in high school.

For those that care about rankings, Johnny Thomas was not included in Scout’s Top 100; he was listed as the #29 swing forward in the country. You need to realize that NC State’s coaches believe Thomas is the best player in the State of North Carolina next year and made a conscious decision to pursue Thomas over more highly rated recruits at the same position like Eric Wallace (to UVa) and Evan Thomas (to Ohio State). A word of caution if you follow the rankings — Thomas he turned down an invitation to the prominent ABCD Camp this summer where he would have had the opportunity to raise his personal ranking because his AAU Team has a tournament scheduled during the camp and he did not want to fall short of his team responsibilities.

Ignoring any swing forwards that may still be listing the Pack as option (because of the Johnny Thomas commitment), the following are the (currently) most highly rated names the Wolfpack is known to be pursuing for the final 3 or 4 scholarships in the 2007 class:

Chris Wright, PG, #18
JJ Hickson, PF, #24
Julian Vaughn, PF/C, #34
Dorenzo Hudson, SG, #48
Jamelle McMillan, PG/SG, #98

Quick Bytes:

* Some people close to the program have hinted that State may choose to use only four scholarships in next year’s class in order to have at least two scholarships for the 2008 class.

* Despite this^ conjecture, I would expect Coach Lowe to use his full allotment of five scholarships if State was in a position to land fantastic recruits a position of particular need – like in the paint. For example, I wouldn’t be suprised if the Pack took both Julian Vaughn and JJ Hickson if the program could be so lucky as to receive commitments from them both.

* Despite a lower ranking, Jamelle McMillan (Nate’s son) is somewhat of a key recruit because of his versatility to play both the point or the shooting guard position.

* With the presence of Courtney Fells on the roster for three more years, shooting guard is the least of State’s priorities in 2007. This need would be further decreased with a commitment from McMillan.

* The recent commitment of Farnold Degand will end up being fantastic insurance if State fails to land both Chris Wright and Jamelle McMillan…OR Degand may ultimately create a logjam at the guard position in 2008 – 2010 if State does land both of these guard prospects who could play the point.

* Degand’s presence would be PERFECT if the NCAA would allow him to play this season as opposed to mandating that he sit out of a year because of the transfer.

* We can dream about a “Fab Five” class of Thomas, Wright, McMillan Vaughn, and Hickson can’t we?

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62 Responses to BBall Recruiting & Scout’s 2007 Summer Top 100

  1. RickJ 07/06/2006 at 8:38 AM #

    “I did NOT criticize the concept having players on the roster that probably won’t play much but may ultimately grow to contribute in year 3 or 4 as contributors holding the #11, #12, and #13 scholarships. I COULD have spent a lot more time criticizing the last staff’s inability to retain those types of players in the program…but I didn’t�

    This is a very interesting issue for me as it has plagued our program for a long time. Ncsu96 makes a great point about Mike O’Donnell, who to me is a classic #11, #12 or #13 player in a program like NC State. Mike contributed as a freshman, stated that he loved everything about NC State but he wanted to be a starter and transferred to Central Florida where he does start. He could have been a huge asset to our team the last two years, particularly during the periods Bethel was hurt or ill (60% of the time?)

    Sendek basically quit giving the 12th & 13th scholarship and sometimes the 11th too. I distinctly remember Valvano making a comment something like – “We can’t keep 13 players happy at NC State� and he didn’t give the 12th or 13th scholarship in the last few years of his tenure. This is not a problem only for NC State. An example would be Georgia Tech – they have a chance to have a great team next year and they lost Zam Frederick, their starting point guard and one of their leading scorers because Hewitt signed Javaris Crittenton, a potentially great point. This could hurt Tech if Crittenton is injured, has foul trouble or wears down during the course of the year.

    I don’t think Lowe has any choice but to give the full allotment, particularly for the right players but there could be some roster shake out as a result.

    Regarding Farnold Degand – I suspect this is a pretty talented player that will play immediately. It doesn’t make much sense if he is not. It is my understanding that his appeal to the NCAA is to be granted a sixth year of eligibility so that he will be able to play 4 years at NC State beginning with the 2007/2008 season. I could be wrong on this.

    Johnny Thomas (not rated in Scout 100) vs. Robbie Hummel (#60 in Scout 100) – This is probably a good one recruit snapshot of how our roster may be changing in the coming years. In spite of the big rating difference, I’m glad we have Thomas.

  2. VaWolf82 07/06/2006 at 8:56 AM #

    Sendek was much more consistent than any of those programs in terms of recruiting and performance. Did those coaches have better individual seasons? Absolutely. But he also didn’t have the low points these programs have had the last five years either.

    We can argue about this forever. It all boils down to how you feel about being stuck on pretty good. Sendek never once moved beyond that. For me, I would rather have Maryland’s results over the last six years than State’s.

  3. yannes 07/06/2006 at 9:21 AM #

    Odds are that big-time wins without big-time recruits will be few and far in-between
    Plenty of teams that don’t recruit every blue chipper on the board (like Duke and Carolina) have really great seasons and win big games. You don’t need five gold stars next to your name to be a solid college player. It doesn’t hurt to have those players, but it isn’t necessary to win.
    Sid is well on track to bringing in quality recruits. Thomas could be a four star Top-100 recruit with some play in the shoe tourneys. Degand is ready to be a starting point guard after developing under two of the top guards from last season (Stinson and Blalock). He probably could have been listed as a four star if he played in prep school instead of sticking in public school.

    It is my understanding that his appeal to the NCAA is to be granted a sixth year of eligibility so that he will be able to play 4 years at NC State beginning with the 2007/2008 season.
    My understanding is that the appeal is to play in the 06/07 season. The appeal is supposed to cite the alleged infractions at the Iowa State program.

    An example would be Georgia Tech – they have a chance to have a great team next year and they lost Zam Frederick
    And Duke lost Boateng – a McD’s AA. Somehow UNC has a stacked roster, though. My guess is that they are going to have more than their one projected scholarship open at the end of next season.

  4. Mr O 07/06/2006 at 9:35 AM #

    Vawolf: Definitely would prefer Md’s results too. But I wouldn’t prefer GT’s.

    The larger point is that Sendek’s results were in the ballpark of the programs I mentioned. In some categories, he didn’t measure up. In others, he surpassed those programs.

    The main point I was addressing was that IMO Sendek didn’t really underachieve based on his recruiting.

  5. choppack1 07/06/2006 at 10:17 AM #

    I think as a rule, you’ll need a gold star recruit or two to win consistently in this league. If you don’t have superstars, you’ll be on the bubble. Now, I think a gold star recruit is someone capable of starting and competing against the rest of the league effectively as a freshman.

    These guys may not be the highest rated players in the country. Chris Paul was a very good recruit, but he blew up as a senior. (I’m not sure he was offered by Duke or Carolina until right around the time he committed to Wake.)

    You can build a team of Top 35 to Top 150 recruits that can win and acheive great things in the ACC. Can you do it on a regular basis? I don’t think so.

  6. Tau837 07/06/2006 at 10:28 AM #

    Mr. O, I agree that Herb was reasonably successful as a recruiter. There were some near misses that might have made a difference in the program, like Randolph & Paul, but overall I agree that Herb drew some very good recruits to State, along with a number of lower ranked recruits with good potential (think Thornton, Inge, Kelley, Bennerman, etc.).

    The obvious problem was that Herb did not achieve the level of success on the court that we as fans expected given that his recruiting was generally successful. Sure, transfers were an issue, but I don’t think many would have made a big deal of it if we won more games.

    As for those who suggest that we were “very good” in Herb’s tenure, I’d disagree. I put more faith in RPI ratings and the like than in record, when there was a distinct lack of quality wins.

  7. choppack1 07/06/2006 at 10:54 AM #

    “Sure, transfers were an issue, but I don’t think many would have made a big deal of it if we won more games.”

    I’d buy this explanation if we weren’t so close to turning the corner during the last 4 years. Would we have collapsed vs. Duke in the 2002 ACC finals if we’d had a Marshall Williams or Mike Bell. Would we have collapsed as badly vs. Vandy and UMd if we had better depth those games.

    I really believe in the Sendek era that we were very close to turning the corner. We never turned it and there wasn’t enough evidence that we were ever going to turn it. A key recruit here or there, or a kid who didn’t transfer could have been the difference of just 1 or 2 games. If those one or two games get you an ACC championship, a Sweet 16 or Final 8, then entire feel of the era is different – and I’d argue, the overall feeling surrounding the program would have been different.

    It looks like Sidney plans on beefing up where Sendek “skimped.” For example, it looks like he’s going to try and carry at least 2 PGs. I think this is a good start and will hopefully lead us to have better “luck” when it comes from being a good team to becoming a great one.

  8. redfred2 07/06/2006 at 11:10 AM #

    I think similar success can be achieved, if not a lot more, along with winning a big game or two here and there, with less talented players than Herb had on the court. I hope no one expected Sidney Lowe to jump right out of the gate recruiting blue chippers left and right. He may get lucky early on, but he won’t have any consistency at it until he showcases his own style and until the stigma of the old style of Wolfpack basketball fades into the past.

    And no, we were never as good as we should have been. If you don’t believe it, or weren’t paying attention when it happened in reality, please review all of the game films to get a grip on where the talent was ignored. Also note the inability to inspire confidence which was blarringly evident in the bewildered faces of the players in the last five minutes of any tight game.

    The Cal game is burnt into my mind as a prime example of what could have been.

  9. Girlfriend in a Coma 07/06/2006 at 11:26 AM #

    IMO if Sid can recruit as well as Herb we will have much more on-court success. Herb’s problem was never recruiting-class rankings. It was translating those recruits into wins.

    I don’t think even the most ardent Herb supporter would argue that he won enough ACC games and postseason games given the alleged talent we had.

  10. choppack1 07/06/2006 at 11:37 AM #

    “The Cal game is burnt into my mind as a prime example of what could have been.”

    Well, that would have only put us in the round of 32, but it was a good example of Herb’s micromanaging and not letting certain players play.

  11. Rick 07/06/2006 at 11:41 AM #

    “Sendek was much more consistent than any of those programs in terms of recruiting and performance.”

    Who cares if he was consistent? He did not win anything of consequences and the others did.

    And Sendek out recruited all schools not named UNC or Duke. There is no question he underacheived based on his recruiting.

  12. Lock 07/06/2006 at 11:49 AM #

    do dead horses bruise? I figure when the bloodflow’s stopped, it makes bruising impossible.

    But I haven’t tried it yet.

  13. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 07/06/2006 at 12:01 PM #

    Putting the ‘four corners’ offense behind us 20+ years after the shot clock will go a long way to improving the Pack’s perfomance.

    Seriously, Sendek proved he able to produce acceptable results with limited talent but as the decade rolled on he was never able to excel when better talent became available. I think he is an excellent fit for Arizona State and I wish him many years acceptable performances for the Sundevils.

  14. Tau837 07/06/2006 at 12:42 PM #

    ““Sure, transfers were an issue, but I don’t think many would have made a big deal of it if we won more games.â€?

    I’d buy this explanation if we weren’t so close to turning the corner during the last 4 years. Would we have collapsed vs. Duke in the 2002 ACC finals if we’d had a Marshall Williams or Mike Bell. Would we have collapsed as badly vs. Vandy and UMd if we had better depth those games.”

    I have to disagree. IMO we lost most of our close games during the last 4-5 years due to coaching, not due to lack of talent or depth. It is possible that we might have gotten over the top in one or two games… but the underlying problems would have remained… insufficient development of talent, insufficient use of existing talent on the team, poor coaching.

    You mention a key recruit or one or two fewer transfers as possibly making a difference. Well, like I said, I agree that if we got Chris Paul or maybe one or two others that were near misses, things could have turned out differently. Then again, I am forced to also wonder if Chris Paul would have looked the same in our program as he did at Wake. I think the answer is no… Again, same underlying problems, regardless.

    The right thing ultimately happened. The bottom line is that I think Herb consistently underachieved with the players he had, at least in the second half of his tenure. I am optimistic that Sidney can overachieve with his players. So if Sidney is able to recruit at level equal to or better than Herb did, I believe we will get better results on the court. And I don’t see any reason why he can’t recruit as well or better than Herb.

  15. redfred2 07/06/2006 at 1:06 PM #

    Mr O

    “Some players panned out moreso than others(Marcus Melvin, Cameron Bennerman, Ilian Evtimov).”

    Thanks for posting these names for me. Now, do you honestly believe that even one of these guys, the ones that you consider worthy of pointing out as developing, were ever placed in a system that allowed their natural abilities to benefit the team? Those guys had real talent that would have been a factor on any other basketball court and under any other coaching style in the land. There were many others who never got a chance to contribute at any time.

    Furthermore, don’t blame the number of tranfers for the lack of success. Blame the lack opportunities in sight, and the dead end road they were traveling on, for the number of players who had the good sense to tranfer out of here.

  16. yannes 07/06/2006 at 1:27 PM #

    I think as a rule, you’ll need a gold star recruit or two to win consistently in this league. If you don’t have superstars, you’ll be on the bubble. Now, I think a gold star recruit is someone capable of starting and competing against the rest of the league effectively as a freshman.

    You can build a team of Top 35 to Top 150 recruits that can win and acheive great things in the ACC. Can you do it on a regular basis? I don’t think so.

    I gave the example of Boston College earlier as a team that has had success without 4 & 5 star recruits filling the roster. They placed 3rd in the ACC, finished 11th in the nation, and had great regular season success in the Big East without high school superstars (the only player on their team that was ranked out of high school was Sean Williams).

    George Washington had a 27-3 season and ended the year at #19 without a single player that was ranked in high school. West Virginia’s only ranked recruit was Pittsnogle and they finished near the top of the Big East, All of the mid-majors with tournament runs like Bucknell, George Mason, and Witchita State (this isn’t the Shocker’s first big trip either) finished high nationally without any ranked recruits.

    Heck even Gonzaga won big with some 3-star forward named Adam Morrison.

    My point is that you don’t need all blue-chippers, burger boys, and five star recruits to win games on a regular basis. It helps, but it isn’t necessary even in the ACC. On the other hand, being in the ACC probably means that you will end up with some top quality recruits that want to play top quality ball.

  17. choppack1 07/06/2006 at 2:51 PM #

    Yannes – BC has only been in the ACC one season. Let’s see how they do next year and the year after that. Things have a way of catching up w/ you – just ask FSU. They came in early and set the world on fire – but they’ve slowly but surely moved to the back of the line. And keep in mind, we’re talking about consistently winning. Over the last 3 years, you know who the 3 most consistent were right?? Duke, UNC-Ch and State.

  18. redfred2 07/06/2006 at 3:19 PM #

    Chop

    How about Duke, UNC-Ch
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    and then NC STATE with their patsy padded scheduling which eventually blew up in their faces at tourney time.

    It is unbelievable how much pride people can derive from under achievement and total mediocrity.

  19. yannes 07/06/2006 at 3:39 PM #

    BC has only been in the ACC one season.
    But the Big East isn’t exactly full of cupcakes and they were consistently good there. They are not projected to drop-off next year in the ACC, either. I don’t care much for BC, but they have managed to do a lot with mid-level ranked talent.

    Over the last 3 years, you know who the 3 most consistent were right?? Duke, UNC-Ch and State.
    Yeah, over the last THREE years. If you want to talk about real long-term consistency (5 years, maybe more), then really the list is just Duke. I’d attribute the consistency of Duke’s program more to K than to the recruits, anyhow (again, not that the blue-chip recruits hurt). I’d also attribute UNC’s current wins and future consistency to Roy over the recruits.

  20. redfred2 07/06/2006 at 4:40 PM #

    choppack1

    “Well, that would have only put us in the round of 32, but it was a good example of Herb’s micromanaging and not letting certain players play.”

    I guess your statement is some kind of an agreement. What I saw in that particular game was a team that when allowed, had the ability to blow by people in the open court when the chance presented itself. All I am saying is that IF there had been a mixture of the styles of play, with fresh faces coming in off the bench to confuse the opposing defensives and force the issue from time to time, I really believe last season could have one to remember for a long time.

    They did it very successfully for that one game, almost as if they had been playing that way all year. Imagine if they had practiced and become familiar with that style early in the year. But nothing was gained in that win over Cal, next game it’s right back OPTION #1, strictly motion offense, chaulk another big “1” in the loser’s column. Just another good team headed home early from the NCAA tourney.

  21. Wulfpack 07/06/2006 at 5:01 PM #

    “He didn’t recruit UNC or Duke well, but he recruited Maryland, Wake and GT well and his results were in the ballpark of those programs.

    Depending on which results you concentrate on:

    UMD…ACC regular season championship, ACCT championship, Final Four, and National Championship

    WF…ACC regular season championship and one Sweet 16

    GT…Final Four

    NCSU….One Sweet 16”

    My take:

    UMD — Tanked

    WF — Tanked

    GT — Tanked

    NCSU — 5 straight NCAA’s = Consistently Solid

  22. wallacepark 07/06/2006 at 8:40 PM #

    Everyone keeps saying they expect Lowe to use 5 scholarships to fill the roster for 07. Does this mean he is likely to ditch Braxton Albriton & Chris McCoy? Wouldn’t it be wiser to just use 3 scholarships for the 07 season since we are already behind on recruiting and still have a good bit of rising talent left on the team? If lowe gets enough commitments from steller players to warrant using 5 scholarships this year I will be blown out of my socks. Realistically I just don’t see that happening.

  23. StateFans 07/06/2006 at 8:49 PM #

    ^ Braxton and Chris are not scholarship players.

    We stated that we expect Lowe to use four scholarships in 2007 unless State can land a particularly strong, key recruit with the 5th scholarship.

  24. VaWolf82 07/06/2006 at 9:49 PM #

    NCSU — 5 straight NCAA’s = Consistently Solid

    Sendek was consistently solid until State had to play NCAAT caliber teams….then he consistently $#@!. If you were happy with that, fine…but it got really old to me.

  25. redfred2 07/07/2006 at 12:52 AM #

    I don’t know about our boy Wulfpack there? All I can figure is that maybe his parents were overjoyed when he came home with C’s on his report card and that feeling has carried over for him right up until this day.

    I’ll just say this, NC State fans know we made it to the NCAA tourney 5 times in a row, and exactly how and why we accomplished that feat. The sports media also knew why NC State was there and that’s why we were never really considered a contender or shown any respect by any one of them. The fact still remains that nobody else out there really even gives a rat’s ass about 5 short trips, except for maybe the bus driver.

    I’ll admit it, I love beating up on Herb as hard as I can, he robbed me of the enjoyment of Wolfpack basketball for the better part of ten years of my life. But even I, am tiring of this debate now.

    Let’s just put a final end to it the only sensible way I know how with:

    Wulfpack + Sendek = blind LOVE forever X’s O’s X’s O’s (those are supposed to be hugs and kisses, but interpret them however you like)

    There, that should do it.

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