Dave Glenn’s Accurate Take

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This is a must read article. How Dave Glenn describes the situation with Barnes is extremely consistent with what SFN has learned from our sources. Expect the “Barnes matter” to be resolved in the next 24 to 48 hours. We’ll let you know more as the situation develops.

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116 Responses to Dave Glenn’s Accurate Take

  1. Mr O 04/04/2006 at 1:04 PM #

    Haith is a good fallback choice. Young, relentless recruiter with ties to our recruiting base and other regions as well (Texas and now S. Florida).

    The guy I want is Wright.

  2. CaptainCraptacular 04/04/2006 at 1:12 PM #

    Was Mike Montgomery saying he wasn’t interested confirmed anywhere else? Personally, I’d rank him near the top 3, and way above Haith on the excitement meter.

  3. JeremyHyatt 04/04/2006 at 1:13 PM #

    Haith is a poor fallback choice, let me explain.

    We have every reason to do everything possible to gain a well-known successful elite coach that can compete with Coach K and Ol’ Roy, and can bring in instant talent. Christ, Chris Wright will fall over himself in an effort to recommit if we get a Calipari or a Barnes. Big name means everything when it comes to recruiting, someone with an great track record for coaching.

    I think the Villanova coach is a potential middle ground, but i know nothing of him. But Haith hasn’t really be able to hold his head above water in the ACC in Miami, what makes you think he will do it in Raleigh?

    Got to bring in some thunder rather than bring in a Sendek-caliber coach, else we are where we started……

    By the way, is Barnes really a good coach? What was his record at Clemson? Let’s think about that for a second before we sell our hogfarms and tobacco fields for season tickets.

  4. Bill C 04/04/2006 at 1:17 PM #

    I’m in agreement with Mr. O – would love to see us make a push for Wright. I think he’s a guy that would be in place for years and put us at the level that we want to be for the long term.

  5. EFFFFDuke&Carolina 04/04/2006 at 1:26 PM #

    Rick Barnes Clemson coaching record is 114-71, averaging 19 wins per year while at Clemson. They were also ranked in the top 5 during his tenure. Getting Clemson Basketball to the top 5 can be compared to walking on water.

  6. scott 04/04/2006 at 1:33 PM #

    Haith, I think, would be a big disappointment at this point. Would much prefer Calipari or Wright, somebody who has proven they can win big, if possible.

  7. db321 04/04/2006 at 1:35 PM #

    Barnes is good, but there are other good coaches out there as well. I’d like to see RB in Raleigh, but if not, it isn’t the end of the world. 1.5 plus million can bring a good coach to Raleigh.

  8. CaptainCraptacular 04/04/2006 at 1:37 PM #

    “By the way, is Barnes really a good coach? What was his record at Clemson?”

    ’95 15-13 5-11
    ’96 18-11 7-9 ncaa first round
    ’97 23-10 9-7, sweet 16, lost to minnesota in single or double overtime, not sure. Clemson was ranked as high as #2 in the nation during ’96-’97
    ’98 18-14 7-9, ncaa first round.

    Texas, 8 straight NCAA tournies, 1 final 4 and another final 8 and multiple sweet 16s. Coupled with Clemson’s run, he now is working on 11 straight NCAA appearances.

    was 1-10 vs Carolina while at Clemson (now 2-10 overall). 2 wins, one was in the ACC tourney and the other in the NCAA tourney

    was 4-5 vs Duke (now 4-6 overall, I believe).

    I don’t know, but in my opinion any coach that can lead Clemson to the absolute doorstep of the final 8, along with 3 straight NCAA tournies is doing something right. Plus he took a school with virtually no previous basketball success to 8 straight tournies and a final 4.

  9. DavidThompson 04/04/2006 at 1:38 PM #

    How long do you think this hiring deal will take? Will Rick Barnes let us know something soon? This is killing me….lol but I love it.

  10. class of '85 04/04/2006 at 1:40 PM #

    Jeremyhyatt, Definetly need a big name but Barnes is. How can you argue with his success at Clemson and now at Texas? Also, look at his recruiting. Sell it all, just get him here.

  11. Trout 04/04/2006 at 2:00 PM #

    Gregg Doyel reporting that Aldridge, Texas’ big center, is hiring an agent.

  12. Trout 04/04/2006 at 2:02 PM #

    Also, NC State finished #26 in the final Coaches poll

  13. JeremyHyatt 04/04/2006 at 2:04 PM #

    from what CaptainCraptacular posted Barnes is done well, but subpar versus Duke and Carolina combined; but of course that the latter isn’t his total body of work ; ] (wait a second, didn’t the chasing of Herby out of town start with the second Carolina loss… uh huh).

    You have me sold though, AD MacFarmboy get on the horn.

    I agree about Austin though, it is the Paris of the US, it is a great place to live. Why would anyone leave that for second-hand cigarette smoke and bacon.

    Calipari would be awesome too.

  14. wolfpacker 04/04/2006 at 2:09 PM #

    well packman just said barnes will be in town, hickory for the sportsman club next week! on wfnz. he will be at home lets give him an old state homewarming!!! Packman also said don’t get excited this was scheduled all year!

  15. JeremyHyatt 04/04/2006 at 2:15 PM #

    cool

    “Rick Barnes, what do you think about the NC State job?”

    “Can you just pass the slaw please”

  16. EFFFFDuke&Carolina 04/04/2006 at 2:22 PM #

    What ticks me off is the fact that Texas fans are saying, “Why would be leave a top tier program for a second tier?”. What was Texas before Barnes got there? Do the last 10 years of a program define the complete history of a program? Texas has had some great years and great atheletes such as Earl Campbell, Roy Williams, and Ricky Williams. Problem is they all played football.

  17. BJD95 04/04/2006 at 2:23 PM #

    Trout’s point on Aldridge is very interesting. RB can come to NC State and coach the man who shut Aldridge down in 2006-07. Or he can have a rebuilding year at Texas!

  18. Only One 04/04/2006 at 2:38 PM #

    >>Do the last 10 years of a program define the complete history of a program

    according to the smurfs they do. lol

  19. Packgal 04/04/2006 at 2:56 PM #

    I personally am not suprised at the way this is unfolding. There are too many mitigating circumstances on both sides for anyone to reveal their hand this early. I do think Barnes has a tough decision to make, the known or the unknown. There will be much more pressure on him to succeed and relatively quickly in Raleigh; that said, I do believe he is the catalyst the Pack needs.

  20. pack6125 04/04/2006 at 3:06 PM #

    Rick,

    Come home. You are wanted and will be appreciated here where basketball is king. The triangle is the world’s greatest stage for basketball. You deserve your shot at it. Texas is big-time…in football. Come home. We’d love to have you over for bbq and grilled ram.

  21. Mr O 04/04/2006 at 4:10 PM #

    Jeremy Hyatt: Fallback candidate is the first coach we go to IF the “big names” don’t come.

    Everybody knows we should call the “big names”. How many times does this need to be said? That is the obvious part. The more complex part of understanding this is how far we would have to come down the list to have a “definite” and which coaches are on this portion of the list.

  22. JeremyHyatt 04/04/2006 at 4:16 PM #

    Just expressing the sentiment: if we got with a fallback candidate of the caliber mentioned we are almost better off with Herb, almost, we don’t really make out well from the transition. (avoid at all cost, we cherish our college basketball). In other words, i won’t want to think about that happening, let’s focus on the top of the list for now, unless there is a part of this process that requires us to acknowledge our entire top 20 ranking of desired coach.

  23. zeke 04/04/2006 at 4:42 PM #

    ^i could not disagree more.

    Having Haith as a fallback is an awesome situation in which to be sitting.

    Over the next 10 years, I’d rather have Haith’s upside than Herb’s redundancy.

    Reminds me an awful lot of MOC to Amato transition.

  24. beowolf 04/04/2006 at 4:49 PM #

    I agree with Zeke.

    Getting Odom or Iowa’s coach or WV’s coach would be a case of we’d have been better off keeping Herb.

  25. David C. 04/04/2006 at 4:58 PM #

    I don’t have a problem with the possible hiring of Tubby Smith as he is a known commodity…

    Like some others have raised, this is a questionable decision because he hasn’t exactly been lights out recruiting there… and if you can’t recruit to Kentucky???

    however we need to be VERY weary of hiring a minority who is not a know commodity such as a Haith…. cause we risk the fanbase and University labeled racists if the fanbase turns on that individual like they did Herb if the results don’t come….

    just a key thing to keep in mind…

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