Barnes Update – 11:45 am

Dave Glenn is doing a phenomenal job covering the NC State coaching search. A phenomenal job. In fact, he deserves a free plug and hyper-link to his blog and the ACC Area Sports Journal. Additionally, this link to 850 The Buzz is relevant to this entry.

Dave Glenn appeared on 850 AM “The Buzz” this morning. He said the following:

* Barnes has been offered huge money, but it’s all been done through back channels. Fowler has not met directly with Barnes yet. Fowler will only meet directly with Barnes if he knows what his answer is. Texas is trying to rework his contract and will do so.

* Barnes has not told State “no” as of this morning.

* Our offer to Barnes is structured similarly to Pitino’s and Tubby’s contracts. It includes retention bonuses, meaning if you are still here at Year X, you get a huge pot of money at that time. That is how our package is being “styled.” He thinks our “pot” in Year X is $5 million. It would make him one of the top 3-5 paid basketball coaches in the country.

* Glenn thinks we are handling this the right way and have really tugged on his heart strings through back channels. But he still thinks that unless Texas screws it up, he will stay at Texas in the end. He admits that is purely a guess on his part, though.

* He says his sources are Barnes’ proteges, Texas officials, ACC officials, and WPC contacts.

* He is adamant that Fowler had not met face-to-face with Barnes yet.

* Glenn says we have contacted as many as 10 other candidates behind the scenes, but no names.

* Glenn’s source at Texas told him they thought Texas would have had a press conference by now and is surprised at Rick’s level of interest in our job. Lawyers are involved, it is so complicated. Barnes want to see everything in writing.

The following are some comments that we feel comfortable sharing in light of Glenn’s public comments:

* Lee Fowler has NOT met with Rick Barnes in person; Lee Fowler has spoken to Barnes on the phone, as have many with NC State connections.

* Eddie Biedenbach was one of the first Wolfpackers to connect with Barnes. This was both appropriate and the right move as Biedenbach gave Rick Barnes his first college job in the early 1980s at Davidson. Barnes has always held Biedenback in very high regard.

* Lee Fowler is NOT TALKING to almost anyone about his role and his thoughts on the search. This is a very good thing.

* We feel comfortable in sharing that Chris Corchiani also reached out to Rick Barnes (and he may not have been the only other former Wolfpack player). We think that exhibiting this kind interest from old-guard NC State greats is a positive step in emphasizing the fanbase’s unity and the commitment that the entire program has to its future and to Barnes’ ability to unite us all.

* Chris Wright’s mother has indicated to NC State that there is a great chance that her son would remain committed if “certain” coaches were hired at State. Barnes was one of those coaches.

* Glenn’s comments regarding the financial package serve to help explain where some of the wild rumors related to the money State was offering Barnes. The rumors were close on dollar figures, but (of course) wrong on structural issues.

* That back-end, retention structure serves many positive purposes and few negative ones. Not the least of which allows State to present similar/identical “annual compensation” numbers to potential other candidates without bruising their egos by offering them less money.

* Additionally, sources told NBADraft.net yesterday that PJ Tucker will declare to enter the NBA draft a year early just one day after word spread that LaMarcus Aldridge was hiring an agent.

* We have also heard from some folks in Texas’ administration and booster organization that are very nervous behind the scenes about the potential that they could lose Barnes to State.

* Glenn says that State has spoken with at least 10 potential candidates through various channels. It is unclear if Glenn means that State has initiated contact with those candidates or if State has spoken with 10 potential candidates in part because they chose to reach out to us. As we shared with you in a previous entry, this job has created huge buzz amongst many more (prominent) coaches than Lee Fowler ever imagined.

* Representatives for John Calipari expressed interest in the position early in the week. But, there is reason to believe that Calipari’s ego may not allow him to be “second choice”. We hope that State has been prudent in any potentail conversations with Calipari to position the search as having no #1 choice in our initial “gauge interest phase”.

* We have heard that Jay Wright is not a candidate based largely on his wife’s love of Villanova and the area. We have no insight into the impact that an offer of over $1 million dollars would impact those feelings.

* You get to a point where the fear of being “Beamerized” by Barnes makes the pressure on the situation almost unbearable. We hope that State is running parallel conversations with the likes of John Calipari and Billy Gillispie so that hypothetical agreements are in place so the trigger can be pulled very quickly in the event that Barnes is a no go.

Dominos?

* At some point, the pace of this courtship is could have negative implications on Barnes (and NC State). For example, Frank Haith has been mentioned as a top candidate for the Oklahoma job. But, if Barnes leaves for NC State many believe Haith would be the natural replacement (since he was on Barnes’ staff before getting the Miami job 2 years ago). Additionally, Haith has been rumored as NC State’s ultimate “fallback” coach. If Barnes doesn’t take the State job, Haith’s potential to land the job increases.

* Additionally, John Calipari’s name has been mentioned in Oklahoma. He is also a favorite of many Wolfpackers. If Barnes says no to State at the same time that Calipari says yes to Oklahoma, the dominos don’t fall well for NC State.

* IMHO, a doomsday scenario exists where Barnes says no to State, while OU hires Paul Hewitt from GT (a rumor out there) and GT hires John Calipari. Suddenly, the stakes in the ACC are raised even higher. I don’t place a high likelihood on this scenario (especially since Hewitt has a great recruiting class coming in next year).

* The plane tracking has been useless so far. Someone tracked one of Murphy’s planes from Rose Hill to Augusta National this morning, could he be at the Masters Golf Tournament?

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143 Responses to Barnes Update – 11:45 am

  1. GAWolf 04/06/2006 at 11:58 AM #

    Several thoughts:

    1) Good point about Austin, although a fantastic place, still being in Texas. No mountains in Texas and at the beaches people have to surf behind oil barges.

    2) Roy Williams has committed more NCAA violations than Calipari (UK gifts to graduating seniors).

    3) Heard today that our basketball office is empty. Literally. No one to even answer the phone. Even Levi and Jordan have gone to Arizona.

    4) Didn’t know Murphy had left the hog biz. Interesting, though irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

    5) Regarding Jay Wright’s wife… I’ve never seen a lady who loves an area so much that she wouldn’t trade it for a limitless Saks card. I don’t doubt Jay would defer the decision to her if she’s that content, but women are more easily tempted with cash than most men I know. She’d probably move to Buis Creek if the Camel’s offered Jay enough cash.

  2. Jon Smith 04/06/2006 at 12:06 PM #

    $1.5 mil is a limitless Saks card? I think that will cover about 20 outfits there. 🙂

  3. JimmyVguy 04/06/2006 at 12:07 PM #

    NC State A.D. to Discuss Coaching Search on Inside Wolfpack Sports With Lee Fowler

    http://www.gopack.com

  4. Wolf's Eye 04/06/2006 at 12:09 PM #

    Wendell’s plane landed at Augusta at 0715L. I don’t have the pax manifest, though. 🙂

  5. yannes 04/06/2006 at 12:10 PM #

    Wolf’s Eye:
    Isn’t it funny that the Master’s also start today?

  6. Jason2413 04/06/2006 at 12:11 PM #

    Mr.O: Frankly I think Calipari is a slam dunk better recruiter than Barnes. He’s brought excellent talent to Memphis and UMass. How did Barnes recruit at Clemson and Providence? As well as Calipari? I don’t think so. Barnes didn’t make the Final Four until he got to Texas, Calipari did it at UMASS! At Texas Barnes has shown he can rake the talent in his backyard while at the premiere athletic institution in his state, Calipari has shown he can go after a more national talent base, which is what you need at State. Calipari hands down. That doesn’t mean Barnes couldn’t do it, but as of right now Calipari has PROVEN it as best as I can tell.

    Needless to say, Calipari is now my #1 guy. It kills me when I hear he might not even be considered.

  7. GAWolf 04/06/2006 at 12:12 PM #

    True, Jon, true. What was I thinking?

  8. Wolf's Eye 04/06/2006 at 12:14 PM #

    Yeah, unless a high profile coach is seen at the Master’s, he’s there having a good time — nothing to do with the “search.”

  9. GAWolf 04/06/2006 at 12:15 PM #

    I think everyone agrees that we’d all be thrilled to have Barnes or Calipari. Any grumblings about either one of these guys can be attributed to the “new lunatic fringe.”

  10. jeff_c 04/06/2006 at 12:19 PM #

    “NC State A.D. to Discuss Coaching Search on Inside Wolfpack Sports With Lee Fowler”

    Yea, on Saturday. That’s like a million years from now.

  11. booman Group 04/06/2006 at 12:24 PM #

    heelbent, last time I checked we have an excellent history and tradition in BB. how quickly you forget the troubles y’all had with Roy saying no the first time, Coach Doh (no comment) and the athletes revolting to get a new coach. In Herb’s case, the majority of rank and file alumni like myself wanted a change at the top. Herb had the backing of the school, faculty and most of the big money folks. Personally I think we’ve handled the Herb situation far more better than y’all did with Doh. that’s my two cents.

  12. BJD95 04/06/2006 at 12:50 PM #

    Jason brings up an interesting point, which I think applies to why I DO NOT want John Brady under any circumstances. IIRC, this Final Four LSU team is made up ALMOST ENTIRELY of local recruits. Thus, he seemingly had some good fortune fall in his lap – or at the very least, has not shown the ability to recruit NATIONALLY as one must do to compete for championships in the ACC.

    I think Calipari and Barnes are essentially dead even in aptitude. So, I would have offered the one most likely to come first – i.e., Calipari. But if Wendell’s money won’t pay for Calipari (or at least not until Barnes is out of the picture), then we have do deal with that reality. It is too bad, though.

  13. Sam '92 04/06/2006 at 12:53 PM #

    I still think Barnes is using us as a stalking horse to get a better deal from Texas, but I tend to pessimism.

    The one thing we’ve got that Texas doesn’t is the ACC stage (of which our school history is a part) — if Barnes is hungry to go head to head with duke and unc, that’s our big advantage.

  14. site admin 04/06/2006 at 12:56 PM #

    ^I’m at a point that if he was that hungry then he would have said yes by now.

  15. '81packer 04/06/2006 at 12:57 PM #

    I continue to hold out hope for a top tier coach…….

    I agree with chin’s statement….it is like Christmas …I just hope we have “the best” present (coach) to show off to the neighbors!–(Roy & Mike)– remember envey & jealousy make for “good” fights……

    Seriously, I stopped attending basketball games and contributions 4 years ago and I’m sure I’m not alone in saying that if we get the “best present”…. I will put my money where my mouth is ….4 years back-pay+ “interest”

    I think/believe there is a large enough base of renewed “interest” to easlily structure an offer to “rivial” our neighbors!….

    “…..wheeen can weee open our present…???!!!!???”

    >..interesting info from Jason2414 on Calipari / NC connection

  16. AirWolf 04/06/2006 at 1:00 PM #

    What’s more interesting is the Learjet 55 that flew from RDU to AUS this morning… 🙂

  17. beowolf 04/06/2006 at 1:07 PM #

    Info on that flight? otherwise I won’t flip out. Just on the inside.

    Criminy, but this has been an insane — and insanely fun — few days.

  18. packfan 04/06/2006 at 1:08 PM #

    o. temple sloan’s learjet

  19. BJD95 04/06/2006 at 1:09 PM #

    The best way to convince yourself for hope is if Barnes is waiting for his lawyers to bless the “fine print” so to speak. He’d obviously have much less leverage in negotiating the document once he publicly says “yes.”

    I’m a transactional lawyer. One thing I really do understand is document-related leverage. 🙂

  20. choppack 04/06/2006 at 1:09 PM #

    “I’m at a point that if he was that hungry then he would have said yes by now.”

    That’s true.

    A couple of thoughts:
    1) He could have said “yes” in principle and they are working out details.
    2) he could be mulling it over (IMHO, this is most likely)
    3) He could have said, “no” and we’re quietly on to plan B.

    Unfortunately, I have no clue and no one I know does or has indicated as much. Oh vell.

  21. DavidThompson 04/06/2006 at 1:11 PM #

    One thing that sticks out in my mind id if he was surely not coming to NCSU. Then he would have said it the Monday after it was announced that Herb left for ASU.

    Please Rick get your ass down here. The support if you come will be like never seen in college basketball.

    Just put this to rest so we can sleep at night and get some work done during the day.

  22. BJD95 04/06/2006 at 1:13 PM #

    He could also be giving Texas a chance to counter.

  23. boknows 04/06/2006 at 1:17 PM #
  24. CaptainCraptacular 04/06/2006 at 1:19 PM #

    Rumors continue to persist that there will be a (positive for NCSU) announcement tonite or tomorrow involving everyone’s favorite current Austin resident. Its all I can do to contain my hopes that this is true to keep any potential letdown from ruining my weekend.

  25. Pack36 04/06/2006 at 1:20 PM #

    What about Tubby Smith?

    It sounds to me like we are just increasing the pay for a lot of these coaches at other universities. I hope that is not true. I would love to have Barnes or Calipari. However, Barnes could not win @ Clemson, so what makes any of us think he can win @ State. Calipari is probably a sure thing.

    I really like the idea of Tubby Smith! Whoever it is, has to be big!

    Not Haith, Altman, Turgeon, Larranga, Martelli, etc. These guys are not bigtime, they are below Herb!

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