Sprouts of Ineptness

I have not added much to this blog for far too long. I have been trying to get into the supporting Sendek mode and so have been avoiding writing anything negative (you know what your mother told you about not being able to say anything nice). And since Vawolf is the master of anything statistical, I have been sitting back and relaxing. But after the embarrassment that was the ACC tournament I feel like I should now speak up. Granted I could be taking a chance on posting this before a magical NCAA run but I am honestly not too concerned about that.

I think everyone remembers the marvelous piece of prose entitled “Seeds of Greatness� that compared Herb to John Wooden. After 4 years, I would like to see what the seeds sprouted into (everything has to grow right?). Using ineptness is too harsh a word for what Sendek has accomplished here, but I think he is as close to being inept as is he to being great. So here are the problems I think Herb has as a coach and it explains why I do not think NCSU basketball will ever be any better than it currently is.

1) Inflexibility – Herb has repeatedly shown that he will not change what he is doing. It either works or it does not. This week on his radio show a caller asked him about using a press when we were down big to Wake and Herb responded that you keep doing what you are doing. This sums it up. If you keep doing what you are doing, you will get the same result.

2) Not seeing the big picture – Herb does not seem to be able to prepare for future events. He does what will provide immediate gratification. For example, he does not play the freshmen. We all know that the freshmen are not going to be the best players and they may do something wrong, but you play them, not because they will help in this game, but you play them because it will help later in the year. It will reduce team fatigue, reduce injuries and enable the team to absorb the injuries that do occur. As a by product, it will make the transition to the next year easier.

3) Game management – Herb’s inability to construct a play to get a shot in high pressure situations is his most glaring weakness. Who does not cringe when you see Herb call a time out? In the BC game alone there were 5 time outs that netted zero good shots. You cannot win a championship if you cannot score in important situations.

4) Lack of emotion – In some ways it is good to keep your emotions in check (except when accosting fans of course), but for college kids it is imperative that a coach is able to instill a fire in the team that will allow them to perform at a higher level than they would normally. This is not the NBA; college players need emotional leadership to enable them to reach peak performance.

5) Marriage to the Princeton offense – This offense, as we run it, will not win a championship. If you want to be the best you imitate the best. This offense is unproven. He is now recruiting players to fit this offense. These slow, smart players are not able to play the type of defense it takes to win championships. Double whammy.

6) Lack of self reflection – Herb does not seem able to see his own faults. If something is not working it is not because his idea is bad; it is because it was executed improperly. Every post game interview after a loss Herb mentions the players not hitting their shots, is that always the problem? Another time on his radio show someone asked him why we are not getting the ball to Ced more. Herb told the caller that we are forcing the ball down low a lot. If he is incapable of seeing the problem, he is incapable of fixing the problem.

To summarize, the things that have propelled Herb to his current level of “greatness” are the very things that will hinder him from accomplishing anything greater. Combine that with his stubborn refusal to change and I do not see an end to this quagmire.

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1992 and 2002 graduate from NCSU. Born and raised an NCSU fan. I remember the good ol' days and they weren't in the last 20 years.

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42 Responses to Sprouts of Ineptness

  1. VaWolf82 03/15/2006 at 3:48 PM #

    and we, NC State Fans/Alums continue to make noise for his exit long into next season, contibuting to another year where recruiting is hurt tremendously because the coach is “on the chopping block�.

    I think that you have cause and effect messed up. Interent message boards were talking about wanting Sendek gone in 2003 and 2005…yet he still got good recruiting classes both years…..why?

    In 2002, the main-stream media were reporting the obvious conclusion that Sendek would be gone unless a miracle happened and State made the NCAAT. State did, Herb stayed, but the reports from the main-stream media had the impact on recruiting…not the message boards.

    Now the main-stream media are reporting the obvious conclusion that Sendek can not compete with the teams at the top of the conference. If recruiting heads south….it will be because of reports from the media…not internet blogs and message boards.

  2. Trout 03/15/2006 at 3:58 PM #

    But in today’s world, are not internet blogs, message boards, etc not part of media? That’s the beauty of the internet. I wish the internet had been around during the lynch mob days of the V witch hunt. I would have liked our chances better defending the honor of NC State.

    I dont think message boards or blogs impact recruiting, but I do consider them part of media. I do think that sites like this, PackPride, etc are where many turn for information regarding NC State.

  3. class of '74 03/15/2006 at 4:07 PM #

    ^all the more reason the change needs to happen sooner not later!

  4. VaWolf82 03/15/2006 at 4:25 PM #

    I wish the internet had been around during the lynch mob days of the V witch hunt. I would have liked our chances better defending the honor of NC State.

    I have often thought the same thing. Did anyone else notice how the Chris Paul incident was turned around and the alleged chanting is no longer mentioned? Al Featherstone wrote an article for DBR about this year’s selection disaster. In it, I think he used the phrase “Chris Paul Punch.”

  5. RedFred 03/15/2006 at 4:44 PM #

    ^
    JeremyHyatt…no response to my last posting 2:59…what happened?

  6. 4NCST8 03/15/2006 at 4:50 PM #

    What I meant to say on the gimmick defenses is that Herbert doesn’t use them.

    Jimmy V used them all the time. Was very good at it.

    Sendek doesn’t subscribe to combination defenses, like Triangle and 2, Box and 1, 1-3 zone and a chaser, and I think that is always smart to do when going up against a great player or players.

    The articles above was good.

  7. RedFred 03/15/2006 at 5:19 PM #

    It’s simple, the defenses used are every bit as imaginative and present the same challenges for the opposing team, as does the offense. It’s a total pre-packaged deal, you can’t get one without the other.

  8. choppack 03/15/2006 at 10:39 PM #

    “State fell at home to Boston College in double overtime. Sendek called six timeouts with less than a minute left in regulation and both overtimes with State in possession of the ball, yet the Wolfpack failed to score each time, missing the rim entirely on three possessions.�

    I think that’s where Sendek lost this team. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the team has had it’s head town for the last possession in OT and played w/out any heart until the last 6 or so minutes of the Wake tourney game.

  9. JeremyHyatt 03/15/2006 at 11:05 PM #

    RedFred, refer to my post:
    JeremyHyatt Says:
    March 15th, 2006 at 2:49 pm
    When things are down:….

    Out of context, VaWolf82 Says:
    “Now the main-stream media are reporting the obvious conclusion that Sendek can not compete with the teams at the top of the conference. If recruiting heads south….it will be because of reports from the media…not internet blogs and message boards.”

    Perhaps you are correct about my cause and effect, and also I did not know about internet blogging in 2003. But perhaps I should appeal you to reconsider the power of the blog. I did not know about statefansnation before this academic year, but heard Dick Vitale refers to Sendek’s improvement yet the NC State fans/bloggers/message boards saying he is not the right person to lead us back to glory. Forget about when this comment was made, just the simple fact input from bloggers is mentioned by National Media in a televised game says something. So perhaps I went right ahead and assumed that this “blog influence” played into the down recruiting year i referred to.

    Believe you me this medium has much power. If Herb Sendek is putting out “feelers”, our AD is defending the program on AM Radio, and Dick Vitale is defending Sendek’s progress, why is this all happening? The media isn’t calling for his head, YOU, statefansnation are. Even newspaper “blogs”, which is basically newspaper proper anyway because of the age we are in, are referring to what is happening and being discussed here.

    …. How do you know the NC State Chancellor, or Courtney Fells, or Mike K, or Herb Sendek is not reading this blog?

    Out of context, Trout says:
    “I dont think message boards or blogs impact recruiting, but I do consider them part of media.”

    I COUNT ON blogs impact recruting; high school recruits and college players have become internet informatino junkies like everyone else. …. Or perhaps I assume too much.

  10. class of '74 03/16/2006 at 7:06 AM #

    ^
    The top level recruits go where they think the program/coach will get them to the NBA. Not where the internet is supportive of the program/coach. Look at UConn’s recent problems and still the top level guys have UConn at the top of their lists. You assume too much.

  11. VaWolf82 03/16/2006 at 7:51 AM #

    Dick Vitale is defending Sendek’s progress, why is this all happening?

    Maybe because there really hasn’t been any progress since 2002?
    Maybe because poeple have lost hope that Herb can do any better?
    Maybe because State was absolutely embarrassed in Raleigh by UNC…even though Lee Fowler had said this year would be different?

    What do you think?

  12. RedFred 03/16/2006 at 12:46 PM #

    ^^^
    JeremyHyatt

    Everyone without passion for NCSU can take whatever view that suits them. If there was no reason for comments such as these to be written I would totally agree with you. If a recruit changes his mind after viewing a blog that is undeniably true, then that’s the way it has to be.

    The postings that you refer to are just symptoms, not the cause of any major change. If words here had any definite affect I wouldn’t need to be typing right now, many people have stated my same thoughts well before I ever posted my first word on this site.

    The CAUSE for comments like the ones you question, will be in plain view this weekend and countless potential recruits, their parents, and coaches, more than will ever visit this site, will have a perfect opportunity to just sit back in their living rooms and watch it all unfold right in front of their eyes.

    I hope they win it all, but I will still feel that a change is necessary.

  13. JeremyHyatt 03/16/2006 at 1:08 PM #

    Yea, RedFred and VaWolf, I’m not questioning the reason behind it; I am making the observation that what is said here, packpride, simonsays, sectionsix, etc., influences if not generates the verbage going around about replacing the coach. I was observing the process not the root or the reasoning, I side with a lot that is being said but I like to see both sides whenever and to the greatest extent possible, …but damn if you guys aren’t convincing.

    And if i recognize that you guys have an agenda, but also that the agenda is based on rational and logically reasoning, then i am more likely to consider it valid–you guys have made some very solid points, which is why i say convincing.

  14. VaWolf82 03/16/2006 at 1:47 PM #

    And if i recognize that you guys have an agenda, but also that the agenda is based on rational and logically reasoning,

    I appreciate the comments on reasoning, but I really don’t have an agenda. What I have are opinions and conclusions. SFN gave me the opportunity to share those conclusions with whoever surfs by.

  15. RedFred 03/16/2006 at 1:55 PM #

    RedFred Says:

    March 15th, 2006 at 8:05 pm
    ^
    ….but this university is situated smack dab in the center of college basketball heaven. It has the tradition, the facilities, and fans who are just dying to be able get behind a coach who shows them he won’t settle for second best or not do something unconventional for the sake of his own stubborness. Leaving the $$$ aside for a moment, why wouldn’t any coach, with a desire to excel at the highest level their sport can provide, want this job? I don’t why this has become the norm, but I still say there is an overwhelming majority who are dead set on selling this place short and settling for the middle of the road.

  16. RedFred 03/16/2006 at 2:33 PM #

    I need to start proof reading my own stuff…I keep leaving out.
    ^
    words

  17. Jeff Cope 03/18/2006 at 12:09 AM #

    Almost all of your points are correct, almost. While herb is inflexible, unable to instill fire in his players an unable to draw up a late-game scoring play; there is nothing wrong with the framework of NC State’s offense. The execution has been lacking lately but that is only due to Herb’s other deficiencies.

    Also, I have a problem with people who say we don’t get good recruits. We have a lot of talent on this years team. Most of them had other offers and chose to come to State and I wonder how they feel reading on our message boards that they aren’t good recruits? Also, the lack of talent argument is just a lame excuse. Herb has the horses this year and if he doesn’t deliver, it will be because of the aforementioned deficiencies, not due to the players supposed lack of talent.

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