Looking for Brackets?

I love college basketball and have ever since elementary school. However, I absolutely hate brackets. I hate reading about them starting in January. I hate the discussions on filling them out. I hate listening to the idiotic ESPN talking heads droning on about how their brackets are doing instead of the actual NCAAT games. I guess it goes along with one of my biggest gripes about sports media in general…they are more interested in predicting who is going to win, than analyzing why someone won. For those of you who hate my “numbersâ€? but love brackets and discussing them…this is just something else that we don’t have in common. 😉

Joe Lunardi at espn.com is the perfect illustration of why I hate “bracketology�. On Tuesday, he writes an article about how scheduling cupcakes will ultimately hurt teams. He specifically mentions NC State and says that State’s cupcakes are “already hurting their seed.� Then on Friday, he releases his new bracket and has actually moved State up to a three-seed. As we will see later, this is an extremely optimistic seeding for State…as things currently sit.

Even though I don’t like brackets, with State being in the top-20 in both polls and in the RPI…and being in the middle of a “slow� stretch of games…this looks like the perfect opportunity to assess State’s season to date and lay out some important things to look for as the season winds down.

SIZING UP THE COMPETITION

Seeding is not done in a vacuum. I see many State fans assigning a certain seed based solely on a second-place regular season finish. This type of logic is hopelessly simplistic since it is impossible to accurately project a seed based solely on anything that State has done or might do down the stretch. What is important is how State has done relative to the top 32 or 36 teams in the country….ie Seeds 1-9.

Any intelligent bracket would have to start with some type of objective ranking. Here is a graph of several different rankings for discussion purposes. For those that understand and use normalized graphs….here is one with the same four computer rankings.

The thing that stands out to me is that after the first five teams, there is a fairly steady decline down through the rankings. What this means to me is that State does not have any particular seed wrapped up. If State falters, then there will be plenty of teams ready to take State’s spot (even with a second-place regular season finish). On the other hand, if State continues to win, we can expect State’s ranking to rise, even if it doesn’t rise as fast as the recent past.

It is also important to remember that if everyone ahead of State wins on a given night…then State may not move up in the rankings at all. Specifically with RPI, the difference between a home win or a road one…or playing a team with a winning vs a losing record, all come into play. Bottom line, don’t despair if State doesn’t move up as far as you would like after a win….the important thing is to win. As the season winds down, there is not much time left to “make up� for laying an egg. Every win will likely be critical.

Are the computer rankings that I graphed a better projection of seeding than some other one? I really have no idea….they were just some that I knew about and included. For those that absolutely love computer rankings, or prefer one that I didn’t include….here is a compilation of 33 different rankings all in one place. For games played through Sunday, Feb 6, here is a summary for State:

 

 

NC State

(2/5/06)

 

 

 

 

Composite Rank: 
14

 

 

 

 

Record

18-4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Self

18

Massey BCS

12

Cheong

19

Greenfield

12

Colley

18

Moore

13

Sagarin

13

Dolphin

14

Pickle

14

Bobcat

22

Whitlock

17

Dunkel

23

Rohde

17

Bihl

16

Lynch

11

Rothman

12

Wolfe

13

Rishi

17

Kirkpatrick

12

Rennie

10

AccuRatings

11

Wobus

11

Pomeroy

16

Simpson

36

Dokter

14

Dance Card

10

Score Card

27

JCI

13

Pigskin

27

USA Today

15

Sagarin-Elo

12

SAP

20

AP

16

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Best

10

 

 

 

 

Worst

36

 

 

 

 

Mean

16.1

 

 

 

 

Median

14

 

 

 

 

St.Dev

5.7

 

 

Computer Summary
The absolute best seed that can be assigned to State based on these objective rankings is a 3-seed….though a 4 or 5 seed would be more likely. Now let’s look behind the numbers for any subjective evaluations that might be made.

SCHEDULE REVIEW

I think that everyone understands that the final brackets are not determined solely through any computer formula. The Selection Committee makes an effort to go behind the numbers and provide some logic and common sense to both the selection and seeding process. Thus we need to go inside State’s numbers to look for the types of plusses and minuses that are so frequently discussed.

Here are State’s results broken down into several different areas to see how State’s record compares with other teams in the Top-30.

Summary of Sagarin Top-30

Games

 

Total

 

Against

 

Games

Win %

 

Min

1

0

 

Max

9

1

Top-30

Average

5.13

0.447

 

Median

5

0.414

 

NC State

5

0.400

Summary of RPI Top-30

Games

 

Total

 

Against

 

Games

Win %

 

Min

3

0.125

 

Max

11

0.9

Top-50

Average

7.33

0.549

 

Median

7

0.571

 

NC State

8

0.500

 

Min

8

0.417

 

Max

14

0.923

Top-100

Average

11.63

0.669

 

Median

12

0.667

 

NC State

13

.692

 

Min

0

 

 

Max

8

 

201+

Average

4.37

 

 

Median

4

 

 

NC State

8

 

When looking at the games played against teams in the Top-30, Top-50, and Top-100, State has no reason to be embarrassed at its schedule or its results against that schedule. What this means to me is that it is that State’s seed will not be “reduced� beyond what any objective ranking would calculate. On the other hand, there is nothing here that would give anyone hope for State to be seeded above a team with a higher objective ranking.

The problem for State comes on the low-end of the schedule. Playing eight games against teams ranked 200+ ties for the most among the teams in the RPI Top-30. Thus any formula that includes a Strength of Schedule component will downgrade State’s ranking. How much will obviously depend on each different computer formula.

Since the Selection Committee uses the RPI, it would be interesting to know how much the weak OOC schedule has hurt State. If the three games in the Hispanic College Fund Classic were removed from State’s schedule, then it appears that State would rank in the RPI top-10 (confirmed by Chief93). Thus a stronger OOC schedule (with identical results) would have put State in a position to lock in a 2-3 seed, without even depending on any wins in the ACCT. As it stands today, it looks to me like State needs a really strong finish, with some eye-opening wins, to get to a 3-seed.

ANALYSIS OF REMAINING SCHEDULE

State (and nearly every other team) needs as many wins as possible to improve its seed. So where are those eye-opening wins I mentioned going to come from? Here is a quick summary of State’s remaining games:

Sun Feb 12

(149) Georgia Tech

Away

Wed Feb 15

(75)
Florida St
.

Home

Sat Feb 18

(113) Virginia Tech

Away

Wed Feb 22

(29) North
Carolina

Home

Sat Feb 25

(28) Boston
College

Home

Sat Mar 4

(118) Wake
Forest

Away

 

ACCT – Fri

 

 

ACCT – Sat

 

 

ACCT – Sun

 

WIN to maintain seeding

WIN to improve seeding

As you can see, State has three regular season games left against teams ranked 100+. Will State’s RPI drop, even if they win?

IIUC, SOS is calculated by averaging all of your opponent’s winning percentages, after removing the games played against your team. Thus when we look at State’s current SOS (0.5510), that means that all of the team’s that State has played had an average winning percentage of 55.1% (after removing either the win or loss when they played State). So any future opponent with a higher winning percentage will increase State’s SOS and a lower one will reduce it. Here are the “adjusted” winning percentages (thru Friday) for State’s remaining opponents:

 

Current

 

Opponent

Win %

Loc’n

Georgia Tech

0.4737

Away

Florida St.

0.6842

Home

Virginia Tech

0.5652

Away

North Carolina

0.6842

Home

Boston College

0.8095

Home

Wake Forest

0.5455

Away

Minor Effect on SOS

Increase SOS/Road Game

Decrease
SOS/Home Game

With the ACC suffering a down year and State needing every win…and every percentage point in computer formulas….it’s hard to imagine a better schedule to end the year on:
– Most of the teams will improve State’s SOS.
– The games against the teams at home will all increase SOS.
– The two hardest games are at home.
– The games against the teams with the three worst records are on the road.

CONCLUSIONS

State currently sits at a 4-seed (five at worst). With a strong finish, State has a good shot at a 3-seed. State’s weak OOC schedule could easily end up costing State one to two seeds.

The only way that I would do this bracket stuff weekly is to automate it somehow. Actually looking at 35 or 40 teams the way that I have looked at State is just simply too time-consuming and painful. But this look has helped me understand where State is actually sitting and given me a better idea of what State needs to do.

If you want a quick guess at what State’s seed might be on any given day….I would recommend looking up the Sagarin, RPI, and the voting polls and just assume that State’s seed will be somewhere in-between what those four well-known rankings have State listed at. I can’t imagine that State will move above or below any range established by those four rankings. If you can get by with an update once per week, then Massey’s compiled rankings will give you a broader range to ponder.

For State, the next three games may not substantially improve its seeding, but a loss will definitely hurt. The home games against BC and UNC represent State’s best chance at impressing someone on the Selection Committee in the regular season (even if State’s RPI doesn’t get a big boost from a home win). How much boost State can get in the ACCT will depend on winning….and who they actually beat. Beating Maryland or Miami in the ACCT on Sat (after they’ve upset someone) will not be nearly as impressive as beating BC or UNC. We’ll just have to look at that when we get there.

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13 Responses to Looking for Brackets?

  1. newswolf 02/11/2006 at 9:33 PM #

    Good stuff. After State loses in the ACC Tournament (intentional reverse mojo) you should start a thread and give a prediction on where State will be seeded and everyone can chime in..

  2. PACDADDY 02/11/2006 at 11:49 PM #

    That was great!…my head hurts

  3. ncsslim 02/12/2006 at 8:00 AM #

    Even though I have no use for our annual early season “tournament” in which Lee and Herb embezzle funds from me, I struggle with a measurement concept that actually penalizes the wins. Ignore them if you wish, but acutally a negative? Eggheads gone wild!

  4. VaWolf82 02/12/2006 at 8:26 AM #

    I struggle with a measurement concept that actually penalizes the wins.

    SOS is not so much a “penalty” to State as it is a “reward” for teams that play tougher games…and do well against that tougher schedule. When a team plays substantially more or substantially less cupcakes than everyone else, it should matter.

    For example, GW is 20-1 after a nice road victory yesterday. They are also 10-0 against teams 201+. Their overal SOS is ranked 200+ in all of Division I. I think that GW is way over-rated by the voting polls. How much credit do you give GW for beating up a bunch of patsies?

  5. ncsslim 02/12/2006 at 8:32 AM #

    “If the three games in the Hispanic College Fund Classic were removed from State’s schedule, then it appears that State would rank in the RPI top-10”

    I’m not talking about overall SOS, I’m talking about this statement that I’m taking as fact, and implies that the wins actually count against us. Am I missing something?

    Regardless, good analysis; your work is highly commendable.

  6. VaWolf82 02/12/2006 at 9:39 AM #

    Maybe it’s just semantics….maybe I wasn’t clear. Those games “count against” State because of their impact on SOS.

    The three teams in the Hispanic CFC are 7-17, 3-17, and 7-17 for the year….in other words – very, very bad BB teams. “Removing” those three games from State’s record has the following effect on the various parts of RPI calculation:
    Reduces State’s winning percentage (25%)
    Increases State’s SOS (50%)
    Increases opponent’s SOS (25%)

    The net effect is an increase in State’s calculated RPI value. Since we are only working our statistical magic on State, increasing the RPI value would increase their ranking (if only we could find that magic wand).

  7. VaWolf82 02/12/2006 at 9:56 AM #

    After re-reading the write-up, there is one thing that I overstated. There is virtually no way that State would be considered a 2-seed today, even with a better SOS. I would think that it is likely that the following teams would all be seeded ahead of State:

    Duke………..23-1
    UConn………22-1
    Villanova…..19-2
    Memphis……22-2
    Tennessee…18-3
    Pittsburgh….18-3
    Texas……….21-3
    Ohio St……..17-3

    There are several others that would get some consideration for a higher seed as well (Iowa, Gonzaga, etc).

  8. Jeff 02/12/2006 at 10:32 AM #

    Mythbusting, 101

    6 of the 8 teams that you just mentioned have been coaching their programs LESS years than Herb has been at State. How in the world have they done it?

    3 of those teams have a coach that has been at their school 3 years or less.

    Thad Matta inherited a program under severe NCAA scrutiny and that was put on NCAA probation.

    I don’t understand how they have been able to create such success in such short time frames while we are still aiming for our “great year”? I guess I’ll never understand.

    VaWolf…INCREDIBLE stuff!!!! Thanks so much!!!!

    (Explanation for those that don’t get it: My comments about the timeframe in which those schools have reached success have nothing to do with Herb Sendek and everything to do with the way that our administrators and many fans have chosen to manage our program so differently than others.)

  9. Jeff 02/12/2006 at 10:57 AM #

    Caulton Tudor has updated his seeds at ACC Now.

    Has the Pack at a #4. That feels right at the moment.

    Quick question — because of the pod system….what number do we need to be be “guaranteed” an appearance in Greensboro in the 1st and 2nd rounds?

  10. VaWolf82 02/12/2006 at 12:08 PM #

    I hope someone else can answer Jeff’s question about pods….because I certainly can’t.

  11. newswolf 02/12/2006 at 12:15 PM #

    Quick question — because of the pod system….what number do we need to be be “guaranteed� an appearance in Greensboro in the 1st and 2nd rounds?

    So lets say Duke is going to get one half of the pod. IMO you atleast have to be a 4 seed and have no one NEAR you be ahead of you in seeding. So we really don’t have to worry about UNC being a 4 or better. What we DO have to worry about is UT is probably a 2 or 3 seed and might get it ahead of us right now. Another factor that the NCAA doesn’t mention (and the main reason they went to this system) is ticket sales. The Greensboro 1st and 2nd round is NOT sold out.

    Also, I was reading the bracketology thread on PackPride. Lunardi has us as a 3 or 4 playing first round in JAX in the DC regional. I would almost give up Greensboro to be able to play our regional in DC or Atlanta. (right now Lunardi has Uconn in DC, Duke in Atlanta)

  12. class of '74 02/13/2006 at 6:48 AM #

    After the GT game we will be lucky to receive a 5 seed. Sure we could win out and win the ACCT but that’s as likely as a 27 inch blizzard in Raleigh.

  13. Eric 02/13/2006 at 3:04 PM #

    That blizzard happened six years ago. Anything’s possible 🙂

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