Who Didn’t See This Coming?

Over the years, many different debates on NC State Message boards have traveled so many tangents that it became hard to remember the original premise & topic. In light of NC State’s historical propensity to hire coaches that seem to struggle to deliver success on par with our peers, and desire to retain these coaches longer than other programs, the topic of “coaching” has long been a favorite amongst Wolfpackers.

I am a staunch free market capitalist who believes mightily in the power of individuals and innovation. I believe that each human is unique, and that special people have the ability to produce very special & unique results in different situations. All men were created equal, but all men do not perform equal.

This emphasis on the uniqueness of the individual manifests itself into many of my thoughts and philosophies relating to coaching in athletics. All coaches are not created equal and certainly do not all create the equal results; this is why coaches exist. If facilities, history, and all other components of success where the primary driver of success, then we would have no real need for coaches…and they certainly would not be valued at such a premium by the market as to command millions of dollars for their employment. If coaches generated as insignificant of an impact as many claim, they would be paid like professors by the market and we wouldn’t even know many of their names.

Yesterday, USA Today ran a feature focused on a particular coach that exemplified my point regarding the impact of an individual when they featured the best college football coach of the last 20 years – Steve Spurrier.

The University of South Carolina does not have the greatest of repuations with NC State fans. For years, the Gamecock-Wolfpack rivalry was quite fierce, sparked by visiting Gamecock fans making ECU Pirates look like men of the cloth and teaching Wolfpackers how to throw batteries, liquor bottles and punches at anything that wore the colors of the opposition. But the Wolfpack & Gamecocks no longer do battle and the ire that they boil in me has subsided – I now respect the hell out of South Carolina.

Maybe I’ve mellowed on our rivalry with USC because we don’t play them anymore? Maybe I’ve mellowed because my wife earned her undergraduate degree after spending four years in Columbia? But, maybe I’ve mellowed because I have matured and can’t help but appreciate effective management coupled with a innate motivation to succeed on the field of play.

Say what you want about the behavior of the Gamecoks’ visits of Carter-Finley twenty years ago, that doesn’t change the fact that South Carolina fans are as passionate, motivated, and supportive as any fan base in the country. Additionally, they translate their passion into action and demand results. I wonder what the Fayetteville Observer would think of that?

It is not like USC has a long history of football success. For some perspective – NC State holds a game advantage on the Cocks in approximately 50 head to head match ups. Additionally, USC has only played in 11 bowl games in their history and won their first bowl game in 1995; NC State has played in 23 bowl games in our history and matches USC’s 11 total appearances since 1989. In the late 1990s, the Charlotte Observer ran an analysis that compared stadium attendance to the number of wins over the last couple of seasons; the Gamecoks blew away the competition by miles because BOTH the numerator and denominator were such extremes — they had packed their 85,000+ seat stadium for years while winning almost nothing.

So, what did they do in Columbia in the face of their problems and lack of historical success? You can learn as much from USC about what they didn’t do, as you can from what they did. They didn’t wallow in their misery and make excuses about how tough it is to win in their current situation. They didn’t look back to their dearth of historical success and decided that they could never succeed. They didn’t let years of losing beat down their drive to succeed and marginalize their belief of their place in the world. They certainly never self-deprecated themselves asking “Who would ever want to coach us” as rationalizations to keep the underperformers on the University’s payroll longer than they deserved.

What they did was continue to strive for success by not hiding from making hard decisions. They fired coaches quick enough to keep optimistic energy in their community and keep those fans in the stands despite poor performance. They then hired Lou Holz, a college football legend. Go figure…Holtz beat Ohio State in two consecutive Outback Bowls (doubling the amount of bowl wins in the HISTORY of USC’s football program). Undoubtedly, Holtz generated “progress” which many fans mistakenly substitute for “success” in their individual assessments of performance. Then it was time for Holtz to hang it up. Thank God that USC didn’t allow the losers of the world to ask, “Who could we get? Why would anyone want to coach us?”

There are so many lessons in the Steve Spurrier situtation that I don’t know where to begin. I don’t have time to begin today. Perhaps you can discuss some of them in the comments section of this entry. I’ll leave you with some of the better quotes from the USA Today’s article:

It was all so predictable, wasn’t it? Just look at the wall full of success behind Steve Spurrier’s desk, featuring game balls and championship mementos. Of course, he was going to make South Carolina a winner.

Who didn’t see this coming?

Well, for one, Spurrier.

“Six and five,” Spurrier said Tuesday. “We thought 6-5 would be a wonderful season for this team.”

Spurrier, of course, is not alone. Few others predicted this, including Southeastern Conference media who picked South Carolina 4-7. In fact, many people thought his ego got the best of him when he took the South Carolina job last November and said the Gamecocks, who had never won an SEC title, could win an SEC title.

But Spurrier parachuted in and took a team with two walk-ons starting on the offensive line and one all-star caliber player on defense, rover Ko Simpson, and has South Carolina within a Kentucky upset of Georgia of playing in the SEC title game.

Asked if he had ever lost confidence in his abilities, Spurrier pointed to that wall in his office and the reminders of the 1996 national title at Florida and the improbable 1989 Atlantic Coast Conference title at Duke and his SEC titles with the Gators, and said, “I’ve still got those game balls and all those championships up there, so that reminds you something went right some time.”

But how did it go so right so quickly in Columbia?

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21 Responses to Who Didn’t See This Coming?

  1. Jeff 11/17/2005 at 8:50 AM #

    Another, related article today.

    The life of S. Carolina’s party
    by Chuck Culpepper
    November 15, 2005

    If Steve Spurrier had the personality of a bag of rocks or a politically correct corporate college coach, there wouldn’t be this hubbub because he just beat his old program.

    But because Spurrier long has dared to be an unusual thing among public figures – himself – a three-loss South Carolina’s 30-22 win over a two-loss Florida on Saturday stands out from another rocking weekend.

    Auburn’s stupendous 31-30 win at Georgia? Yeah, but how about that Spurrier?

    LSU’s palpitating derailment of Alabama’s perfection? Good stuff, but that Spurrier.

    Texas … Southern California … the gripping urgency of the Southeastern Conference in November?

    Spurrier Spurrier Spurrier.

    Hey, coaches play former employers all the time. The allure of a game that merely left both teams 7-3 and juggled the midsection of one division of a two-division conference reaffirms the awesome power of personality, unless the nation suddenly became flush with South Carolinians without anybody knowing.

    It didn’t, and so it just goes to show what a Rushmore face Spurrier became during 12 seasons at Florida, 1990 through 2001, because of zigzagging pass routes and a distinctive personality big on cocksureness and adept at thinly disguised digs at rivals, which helped make the SEC of the 1990s so very humorous.

    He’s hilarious even when he doesn’t try, and it’s hilarious that he beat Florida on the first try after beating South Carolina 10 straight times while at Florida by margins of 5, 11, 31, 56, 27, 27, 19, 17, 20 and 37.

    It’s doubly hilarious his Gamecocks already beat Tennessee, 16-15, on the road.

    Meanwhile, it’s pretty funny if not hilarious that, amid a bale of gracious comments during Florida week, he tucked this ersatz compliment after the game: “Florida was tough running the ball. They just about ran out the clock in the fourth quarter, helped us out.”

    And it’s doubly pretty funny that after beating Tennessee, he tossed a Who Would’ve Thought We’d Be Tied With Tennessee into the Knoxville air that so fears-and-loathes him.

    Winner of five straight conference games for the first time since joining the SEC in 1992, six seasons removed from an 0-11 that Lou Holtz mostly repaired, South Carolina reached No. 19 in The Associated Press poll Sunday.

    Who would’ve thought?

    So it’s great fun, especially waiting to see and decipher what Spurrier might say next, a case study of personality’s glare. And then, if you keep up with these things and know some South Carolina football history, it’s even more remarkable than it is hilarious.

    South Carolina has absolutely the best fans in the United States. Period. End of argument. That’s it.

    From 1892, when the Gamecocks lost to Furman, 44-0, on Christmas Eve to complete an 0-1 season, until Jan. 2, 1995, these fans cheered their team to precisely zero bowl victories.

    The 1946 Gator. The ’69 Peach. The ’75 Tangerine. The ’79 Hall of Fame. The ’80, ’84 and ’87 Gators. The ’88 Liberty. Loss, loss, loss, loss, loss, loss, loss, loss.

    When they beat West Virginia, 24-21, in the Carquest Bowl on Jan. 2, 1995, they broke a skein the marvelous sportswriter Stan Olson of the Charlotte Observer counted up as 102 years, 936 games and 56,160 minutes. While the other 49 states mostly shrugged, sneered or wondered how in the world the nation came to include something called a Carquest Bowl, then-coach Brad Scott said that banner day, “Some of you out-of-state media just can’t imagine the magnitude of this win for the state of South Carolina.”

    As the Orlando Sentinel’s Mike Bianchi noted last week, the South Carolina football offices have a banner boasting “1995 Carquest Bowl champions.”

    Yet in a century of bleakness, as a so-called “Chicken Curse” embedded into state lore, the Gamecock faithful kept faith, somehow. When you multiply fan disappointment times fan intensity, you get the highest product in the country, hands down.

    Of course, Holtz came along, worked his form of magic and won a couple of turn-of-the-century Outback bowls against Ohio State. He sprang from 0-11 to 8-4 to 9-3, undoable without uncanny skill.

    Now comes Spurrier, former Florida quarterback, former Florida national-champion coach, and he made quite the revelation after beating 12th-ranked Florida. Winning, he said, is “more fun when your team is not a dominating team.”

    Insightful, if not hilarious.

  2. Chris 11/17/2005 at 8:54 AM #

    No doubt, the man can coach football (college football that is). I watched USC at the beginning of the year and was thoroughly unimpressed. They are definitely born again hard and I wouldn’t be surprised to see ’em finally beat Clemson.

  3. Jeff 11/17/2005 at 9:34 AM #

    ^ We’ve obviously been watching them in our house, as well. I concur with you about being unimpressed early in the year. I honestly believe that we were seeing just how untalented that this team is at the beginning of the year; and as the season has progressed we have seen the impact of Spurrier’s coaching and system. It isn’t like these kids suddenly got deeper on the bench and more talented.

  4. Trout 11/17/2005 at 9:40 AM #

    Spurrier will win at SC. Will he win big? The jury is still out. He took advantage of a VERY weak SEC this year, to his credit. He got HAMMERED by the 2 of the 4 very good SEC teams year (Bama and Auburn. He didnt play LSU, and played UGA tough). Tennessee and Florida are very much below average this year (hey, where are the Urban Meyers = genius coach stories this year?).

    I do agree he is one of the best, if not THE best, college coaches over the past 20 years.

    As far as Lou Holtz. Lou followed up those 2 bowl wins with seasons of 5-7, 5-7 and 6-5, all the while CHEATING and leaving the SC program on probation. Holtz’s record at SC was on the way DOWN, big time, when he left.

    However, unlike Jeff, I still have a true hatred for SC, so I’m biased. I grew up in the state of SC.

    Go Clemson! 🙂

  5. Michael 11/17/2005 at 10:16 AM #

    You obvisouly haven’t heard of the Chicken Curse. My Tigers WILL prevail on Saturday and our seniors will go 4-0 against the cocks.

    Oh, and by the way…..the ol ball coach still has to deal with Lou’s mess for another 3 years…….

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2226363

  6. Trout 11/17/2005 at 10:21 AM #

    ^ I wish Statefansnation would do a story on the NCAA’s “lack of institutional control” label. When we got that in 1990, we got a postseason ban. When SC gets t this year, they lose a measly 2 scholarships (that’s about 2.4% of the total) and a few on campus recruiting visits. How will they ever recover?

  7. Jeff 11/17/2005 at 10:31 AM #

    * Florida are very much below average this year (hey, where are the Urban Meyers = genius coach stories this year?).

    To be fair…Florida deserves significant criticism for NOT hiring Spurrier back. Don’t you think? It’s unique how Spurrier exemplifies both the strength of good management at USC and bad management at UF.

    * As far as Lou Holtz. Lou followed up those 2 bowl wins with seasons of 5-7, 5-7 and 6-5, all the while CHEATING and leaving the SC program on probation. Holtz’s record at SC was on the way DOWN, big time, when he left.

    Agreed. Again, give USC credit for pushing Lou to the door while not over-reacting and choosing to destroy their program because of the cheating. They dealt with it and moved on with little guilt AND without deciding to change the entire mission of the Athletics Department.

  8. Trout 11/17/2005 at 10:44 AM #

    ^ I dont agree that SC pushed Lou to the door. Lou could have come back, from everything I have heard. He chose not to come back. Have you heard different?

  9. BJD95 11/17/2005 at 11:06 AM #

    Lou always leaves you pretty much barren, and usually on probation too (unless you are a SPECIAL program like Notre Dame that must never, ever be punished).

    Just go back to the old Bear Bryant saying (paraphrased): “A good coach is somebody who can take his [players] and beat yours, and take yours and beat his.” Steve Spurrier is exactly that guy.

  10. Trout 11/17/2005 at 11:12 AM #

    ^ To be fair, he didnt leave NC State like that in the mid 1970s. But that was before he became a national icon.

  11. BJD95 11/17/2005 at 11:13 AM #

    ^ But he did so with Arkansas and Minnesota, right? And ND should have gotten slapped. That’s a hell of a track record.

  12. VaWolf82 11/17/2005 at 11:18 AM #

    I went to the source of all college football knowledge (College Football Data Warehouse) to look up SC’s coaches prior to Holtz….and found a fairly unremarkable series of hirings. (Side note: No one since 1945 has left SC to be a head football coach anywhere else.)

    Obviously there was a change in philosophy starting with the hiring of Holtz and now Spurrier. Apparently, SC is no longer content in hiring coaches without a proven track record. Expectations will quickly rise and it will be interesting to see if Spurrier can match them. One can only assume that the paychecks matched the resume.

    I’ve heard rumors about conflicts between Spurrier and Florida’s AD. If true, that might explain why UF went a different direction.

  13. Trout 11/17/2005 at 11:21 AM #

    ^ The same AD hired Dave Odom from Wake to replace Eddie Folger. Do you guys think that was on the same scale as Holtz or Spurrier?

  14. Class of '74 11/17/2005 at 12:42 PM #

    Actually USC hired Paul Dietzel after his National Championship @ LSU. Also on Spurrier he could have gone back to UF but declined. Not sure if it was the AD or the new UF president (friend of Meyer’s) or like he said “been there and done that”.

  15. Trout 11/17/2005 at 1:27 PM #

    ^ One thing I do notice about Lee, is that he is not afraid at all to talk about salaries, especially his own, whether at NC State or previous jobs:

    “I asked `by the way, what does it pay’, because the AD’s before that made around 50,000 dollars. They told me they were stepping it up and wanted to go to [NCAA Division] I-A, and it would pay 100,000 dollars. I said, `Whoa, whoa, wait a second, maybe I’m interested.'”

  16. BJD95 11/17/2005 at 2:11 PM #

    ^ Trout, don’t even get Jeff started on that line of conversation. He’ll literally blow a gasket.

    (cue the photoshopped Clampett pic)

  17. Jeff 11/17/2005 at 2:29 PM #

    Oh my God….it is true!! I thought that it was a joke when you said ANOTHER Q&A with Lee Fowler. Oh my God. Why do we pay this man to do nothing but speak to the media and embarass himself?

  18. Jeff 11/17/2005 at 4:31 PM #

    The Spurrier situation @ UF this past year was very similar to the Larry Brown and Carolina situation a few years ago. The UF AD treated Spurrier like an actual candidate. Basically, treated him as an interviewee as opposed to just giving him the job. With resumes like Steve Spurrier & Larry Brown…you don’t interview for jobs.

    Jesus. You know what you are getting. If, as an AD, you are that big of a moron (&/or have that big of an ego), I don’t blame any of the coaches for saying shove it.

  19. Jeff 11/17/2005 at 7:41 PM #

    This was a great little diddy after Spurrier’s big win this weekend.

    The always quotable Steve Spurrier declared after his victory over the Gators on Saturday: “They don’t own our asses anymore.� And that is why the Cock Nation will love their new Ball Coach.

  20. Jeff 11/19/2005 at 11:20 AM #

    http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/368927.html

    Spurrier on track
    Ruling S.C. recruiting while taking N.C. stars only will speed process

    Coach Steve Spurrier and quarterback Blake Mitchell enjoy South Carolina’s first-ever win in Knoxville, Tenn.

    Caulton Tudor, Staff Writer

    Steve Spurrier will turn South Carolina into a national football contender.

    Not only that, but it will happen quickly if things break his way in recruiting.

    The geographic blueprint is somewhat the same as that used by Danny Ford at Clemson, where his 11 teams went 96-29-4 and won the national title for the 1981 season with a 12-0 record.

    Spurrier would need to dominate above-the-board recruiting in South Carolina, strike regularly in North Carolina and supplement that base with standout players from Florida and Georgia.

    A victory would give him an 8-3 record and a shot at a Cotton Bowl invitation in his first season — one in which South Carolina was predicted to win no more than five or six games.

    “If I were a North Carolina fan, or a North Carolina State fan, I’d be pulling pretty danged hard for Clemson in this game,” said Ford, whose program went on probation for recruiting infractions nine months after winning the national title. “A lot of teams around here, and that includes those in Georgia, and probably Tennessee, too, have a dog in this fight. They may not know it, but they do.”

    That Spurrier would create a splash in the regional recruiting pool was a given when he was hired. He may have failed as a pro coach with the Washington Redskins, but that doesn’t change the fact that he always has been a big winner at the college level.

    “You can’t overestimate the value of a coach’s name recognition in recruiting,” said Miller Safrit of scout.com. “Steve Spurrier has about as much of that as anyone I can think of.”

    Proof of that came shortly after Spurrier was hired. His first class included tight end Jonathan Hannah from Hope Mills South View. Among those 25 first-year players, 10 play regularly. Running back Mike Davis, from Columbia, S.C., leads the team in rushing. Wideout Ken McKinley, from Mableton, Ga., has 21 catches, including a 42-yarder for a TD against Arkansas. Had it not been for a preseason injury, Hannah was a contender to start.

    Spurrier always has been a fast builder. Even at Duke, his second team went 7-3-1, including a 31-26 win at Tennessee in 1988.

    His starting QB tonight, Blake Mitchell, is a sophomore. Sidney Rice, a redshirt freshman, had five catches for 112 yards against Florida. Jimmy Clausen, rated among the nation’s top high school junior quarterbacks, includes South Carolina with Notre Dame and Southern California as his favorites.

    Spurrier hasn’t pushed hard in North Carolina. Yet.

    For now, he has only six new commitments, mostly linemen. But it will not be long before he ventures into Charlotte and Fayetteville, two of the state’s most fertile areas. His presence only will make it harder for North Carolina schools to seal off the borders.

    Spurrier doesn’t need to blanket the state the way Ford did in the ’80s. He just needs to snag his share of the N.C. stars who regularly leave for non-state schools.

    “It’ll be tougher to do now than when Coach Ford did it at Clemson,” Safrit said. “There are seven Division I-A schools in these two states, and all of them emphasize recruiting more now. But Spurrier’s going to be a very good recruiter.”

    Spurrier’s timing is good. The five N.C. programs are struggling. Clemson, no longer much of a recruiting factor in North Carolina, went 6-5 last season and is 6-4 entering today’s game.

    Spurrier’s personality, record and playing style will give him an edge his recruiting rivals will find difficult to beat.

    Columnist Caulton Tudor can be reached at 829-8946 or

  21. tom chastain 12/07/2005 at 9:01 AM #

    great gift for the holidays: “the steve spurrier story” by bill chastain
    look for it online at amazon.com or bn.com it is a wonderful bio

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