VPI Tragedy Entry (6:23pm Update)

6:23pm (the reference frame blog) – Supposed student account with SPECULATION of the gunman’s identity.

6:15 pm (AP) — List of deadliest campus shootings.

5:30pm (SFN) — Press conference just ended in Blacksburg. There was a student reporter from “15 minutes down the road” that you could identify as an amateur a mile way. The kid should not be allowed back to the 7:30pm briefing; he was horrible and embarassed himself beyond reproach.

5:20pm (BBC) — Eyewitness emails.

5:20 pm (Michelle Malkin) — You can also see an eyewitness email here. It is pretty amazing. The author calls the response from authorities “exemplary”.

5:15pm (ABC) — ABC News is running a fascinatingly perverted poll asking if the shooting is grounds for more gun control? I don’t understand this at all. Guns are already banned at Virginia Tech. They are ‘illegal’ in Norris Hall (where the murders occured). How is the solution to defend yourself against a deranged murderer who doesn’t care about ANY laws to tighten restrictions to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? (For the record, I have never owned a gun.)

^ This was pretty easy to call. Many pundits were predicting it almost immediately. The following comments were interesting.

As the initial shock wears off you can bet that the anti-Second Amendment people wall be coming out of the woodwork. By the time the evening network newscasts hit we will have no shortage of spokesmen for various anti-gun groups stepping forth to issue their tired call for an end to the private ownership of handguns.

…earlier this year the Virginia General Assembly failed to act on House Bill 1572. This bill would have allowed college students and employees to carry handguns on campus — with appropriate permits, of course. It died in subcommittee. Larry Hincker, a spokesman for Virginia Tech, the site of today’s carnage, said “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

How’s today for safety?

If it had been legal for students, employees or faculty members with permits to carry guns on the campus, is it at all possible that there might be some students alive today who didn’t make it through the carnage? Do you think the actions of the Virginia General Assembly stopped the gunman from getting his guns and carrying them to the campus?

This is undoubtedly the worst school shooting, high school, college or otherwise, in the history of our country. There are some facts, however, about some of these school shootings of which you probably are not aware. Do you know, for instance, that at least three shootings in high schools were stopped by civilians with guns? Civilians, not law enforcement. In one case a civilian was traveling past a school when he saw children running from the building. One told him that there was a student inside shooting people. The civilian pulled his gun, ran in side, and confronted the student. The student put down the gun and surrendered. In another case a high school vice-principal heard that there was a student in the hallways with a gun. He sprinted a half-mile to his car. He had a gun in his car so he had to park off campus. He then sprinted back with the gun to confront the student. Lives saved.

The point here is that you are never ever going to get the guns out of the hands of those who want to use them for carnage. Never. Gun control programs will only succeed in getting the guns out of the hands of people who want them and need them for self-defense. Never, in the history of America’s gun control movement, has anyone set forth a viable program to get the guns out of the hands of those who would use them to commit crimes. Similarly, the gun control movement will never give any fair coverage at all to the people who use guns to save their own lives, or the lives of others.

Perhaps it is prudent to recall some history related to today’s situation.

Late Afternoon (ABC) — 33 people confirmed dead. ABC News has some of “the first pictures” from the tragedy available here.

1:20 pm (ABC) — At 1:20pm ABCNews reported at least 32 fatalities with the number expected to rise.

Police at Virginia Tech say that the shootings happened at a dormitory and a classroom on opposite sides of the university campus in Blacksburg, Va.

Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said that one person was killed in the first shooting, just after 7 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a large dormitory. Flinchum said that at least 20 more people were killed in a later shooting at Norris Hall, an academic building.

(CNN) — The Virginia Tech police chief said at least 20 people were killed in twin shootings on the Blacksburg campus Monday morning. “Some victims were shot in a classroom,” Chief Wendell Flinchum said, adding that the gunman was dead.

(SFN) — Our prayers are with any and everyone with any connection to Blacksburg and VPI.

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111 Responses to VPI Tragedy Entry (6:23pm Update)

  1. Rick 04/16/2007 at 12:44 PM #

    The world is becoming a scary place.

  2. branjawn 04/16/2007 at 12:47 PM #

    One article stated this: “Police also said there is no evidence the two shootings at opposite ends of campus were related.” …really? I mean, seriously…

  3. BoKnowsNCS71 04/16/2007 at 12:56 PM #

    What leads people to commit such horrible acts on other innocent people in a university setting? I bet every mom and dad of a student at VT is scared to death today.

  4. Evroccck 04/16/2007 at 1:04 PM #

    up to 32 right now. This is disgusting

  5. El Scrotcho 04/16/2007 at 1:14 PM #

    Unreal. Thoughts are with the whole VPI family.

  6. BoKnowsNCS71 04/16/2007 at 1:20 PM #

    CNN says 22 dead 20 wounded. Shooter killed.

  7. Evroccck 04/16/2007 at 1:20 PM #

    this is from the boards

    ” I will put what I have heard. Norris hall is directly across from my building (Randolph) and houses the Dean of Engineering’s office and the Engineering & Science Mechanics department along with many classrooms.

    What I have heard was the the initial shooting in the dorm was a boyfriend killing his exgirlfriend. I was told he was from Radford, but I don’t know if that is student, townperson, or what. An RA responded and was also shot. I don’t know how he got out and moved, or if the the two shootings are related.

    I spoke with a girl who had talked to a friend in a classrooom in Norris. They apparently heard him coming down the hall and blocked the door with a table. He put four rounds in the door and moved on. It sounds like he found his way into a room in the basement. One ESM professor came through our building with a wound in his arm. I believe there were several other injured, not to mention those who jumped out of windows to flee Norris. Several people were removed from Norris on stretchers.

    I also heard from one of my committe members whose office is in Norris. He said from all of the gunfire it sounded like the guy was heavily armed. He also saw SWAT in the building. I saw many officers and a few snipers. The gunman is reported dead, but I don’t know if it was self inflicted or the police got him.

    I was also told by people who saw that three people were escorted from Norris in handcuffs.”

  8. highonlowe 04/16/2007 at 1:40 PM #

    CNN reports this is the biggest campus shooting ever.

  9. gopack968 04/16/2007 at 1:46 PM #

    we are all Hokies today

  10. choppack1 04/16/2007 at 1:51 PM #

    I believe you can remove campus from that sentence highonlowe.

  11. PapaJohn 04/16/2007 at 2:12 PM #

    ^^ Amen
    We are all Hokies today. Terrible.

  12. packbackr04 04/16/2007 at 2:22 PM #

    sad news

  13. packbackr04 04/16/2007 at 2:24 PM #

    if the shooter was a student, then i am at a total loss. when i was in college, all i could think about was how many bong rips i could take in one sitting, and then what girls panties i wanted to get into that night. oh how times have changed. wait… i just graduated 3 years ago.

  14. BoKnowsNCS71 04/16/2007 at 2:28 PM #

    You have to think possible terrorism. I would hope not. CBS said it was an Asian guy — apparantly had a flak jacket on. Am sure more will come as the facts start to come in.

  15. RedTerror29 04/16/2007 at 2:35 PM #

    ^MSNBS is reporting no link to terrorism is suspected, although it hasn’t been ruled out. I don’t get the motivation for a terrorist attack on the civil engineering building at Virginia Tech?!? But this whole thing just defies logic and blows my mind…two handguns and the guy shot over 50 people…he obviously brought plenty of ammunition.

  16. branjawn 04/16/2007 at 2:41 PM #

    I’m not good at remembering details, but I recall a school shooting, I think it was Va or Tenn somewhere, a college campus. Anyways, being a good redneck school, 2 students went to their cars, got their own personal guns, and eliminated the shooter. Not to stereotype, well, yeah, to stereotype, NCSU and VT have their share of rednecks (I went to Fuquay-Varina HS). I wish one of them had been carrying today. No way this guy would have shot over 50 people unchallenged.

  17. Frank 04/16/2007 at 2:59 PM #

    32 dead, 21 wounded. Largest shooting of any kind in US history.

  18. noah 04/16/2007 at 3:17 PM #

    Back in Dec. of 1989 there was a terrible killing spree up in Canada in Montreal. Marc Lepine took over a classroom building at Ecole Polytechnique and killed 18 before killing himself. Lepine said he was doing his part to combat feminism.

    Charles Whitman killed 14 and wounded something like 30.

    Awful stuff.

  19. Wolf-n-Atl 04/16/2007 at 3:31 PM #

    “I’m not good at remembering details, but I recall a school shooting, I think it was Va or Tenn somewhere, a college campus. Anyways, being a good redneck school, 2 students went to their cars, got their own personal guns, and eliminated the shooter. Not to stereotype, well, yeah, to stereotype, NCSU and VT have their share of rednecks (I went to Fuquay-Varina HS). I wish one of them had been carrying today. No way this guy would have shot over 50 people unchallenged.”

    One problem, the shooter locked the doors to the building and then went to work. Apparently the cops had a hard time getting in and by one report had to blow that door open. I was thinking more of the Flight 93 mentality, where once everyone realizes what is going on they use numbers to overtake him.

    All of this is hindsight. What we do know is that this is a huge tragedy. I send my prayers & condolences to the VT family.

  20. RedTerror29 04/16/2007 at 3:33 PM #

    ^I thought the same thing. Around the time of Columbine, there was a school shooting up in Oregon. One of the high school wrestlers tackled the shooter unarmed and saved several lives (I think he got shot in the process, but still took the guy down – badass).

  21. noah 04/16/2007 at 3:42 PM #

    This is the 20th mass murder involving schools and guns since October of 1997 in the United States.

  22. noah 04/16/2007 at 3:49 PM #

    Whoops…check that…24th mass murder involving guns on a high school or college campus.

  23. Jimmy V 04/16/2007 at 4:03 PM #

    Terrible thing here. Unbelievable that this would occur. Thoughts and prayers go out to all of the families of the victims. There is some really bad things that happen in this world of ours, from child molestation to genocide to torture to murder to massacre.

    Some things are very, very difficult to understand.

  24. branjawn 04/16/2007 at 4:05 PM #

    More people die every year from a fall (17,229) than by assault with a firearm (11,920).

  25. highonlowe 04/16/2007 at 4:15 PM #

    Our individual problems seem small when in comparison to this tradegy.
    All our thoughts and prayers go out to the VT family.

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